EFC 3 DAYS

Oh for the love of Jumbaliahs beard
Jetsnrovers has read almost 5000 posts advising him not to go to Emirates, yet he thinks that it will either be different for him or else he is currently employed as a ditch digger in someplace ridicously hot and needs to change careers for the better!!!
There are so many people advising against going to that outfit and yet he seems to be falling over himself wanting to fly the big shiney jet.
Fact being that once you have settled into Dubai and gone through all the BS, talked your wife off the balconey of Burj Khalifa for the umpteenth time, bitten your tongue to a stub trying not to tell the local in his blackened out (illegal unless you are an Emirati) windowed SUV which cut you off doing 180KMS to slow down, and after you have finished your training after being told "theres your books, go study", stared in disbelief at the laws and rules of that SH!THOLE (and I mean Dubai as well as EK in this statement) and then after all that you climb into the seat of a B777 or A330 and ask yourself "Is this big plane worth all the BS in my life?" I bet you that your answer will be "NO".
You will make a huge mistake going there and not just professionally...... But what do the guys who take the time to post here know????? Head on down there and see for yourself.

Desert_Storm

no more blind as those who will not see!!!:

OGh

Hi guys,

I have an interview with Ek next month, after 2 years finally they called me, what I don't understand is how is posible that people keep resingning all the time, and you don't see that in other mayor ailines.
Why is that??? What makes people leave...????

Iver

EFC 3 Days,

Nice victim mentality mate. You don't control your own life. You are a victim. Perhaps you should make haste and leave the desert before your head implodes.

TangoUniform

Before accepting employment here, ask yourself, what are my expectations working for EK. So let's look at some of the expectations you may have.

Job Security: This airline is not going anywhere for the forseeable future so in that respect you will have job security. However, as an individual your job security rests with others. IOW, don't in anyway screwup during training, on the roads, or in your life in general in Dubai. Ref., the new pilot under training in MAN (find the threads on that)

Family Life: Accommodations will be provided, some better than others. But if your expectation is to have a normal family life, how will you be able to flying 90 plus hours a month, and with sometimes no more than eight days off a month? But those eight days will be spread throughout the month, so don't have expectations of being home for birthdays, holidays, anniversaries, etc.

Upgrade: If you have expectations of a fast upgrade, they won't be met. Maybe four years ago a three year upgrade was possible, think minimum of 5-6 years. Instructions say need 3000 hours in an EK aircraft and at least 4000 hours in 55 tonne aircraft.

Management: EK is running their flight operations very similar to the low cost carrier model. Never mind that most low cost are also medium to short haul, not ultra long haul. Fatigue, is a reality, not a myth here. So your expectation of a Flight Operations Department being run as a "legacy" long haul operation will not be realized. Expectations of being held in respect as a professional by flight ops will not be met. Their approach is that you are minimally qualified to fly THEIR aircraft and they treat you as such.

Dubai: Expectations of living in a cosmopolitan "modern" city will be met, if you define "modern" as wonderful new high rises and lovely flowers along the streets. But look past the facade, and look hard during one's interview. Think guilty until proven innocent if an "event" happens. You are a necessary "evil" in their country and will be treated as such.

So, if you have expectations of living what might be described as a normal life, you won't find that here as a pilot, at the present time. If you have expectations that the contract you sign will be upheld and honored, you will be disappointed in the future. If you have expectations of your family enjoying life here, compare that from where you came. If you have expectations of doing some traveling with your family to some interesting destinations, don't count on days off to enjoy, maybe during leave. If you have expectations of saving some money, you will be disappointed if you have children to educate here.

Why do pilots stay you may ask? What's the alternative for most? Maybe that's the same for you when you consider employment here. But if your family is safe where you live and you are employed, take a very hard and close look past the glitter of the big jets, big buildings and big PR.

In closing, examine YOUR expectations of working here, take heed of what has been said on these blog boards, and good luck with your decision.

freddi16

Hi for those that had already attended an interview with ek,i would like to know some information regarding the compass test.

many thanks in advance

Iver

Heard from a mate who was interviewed a few weeks back that there were a few Airbus-rated/experienced pilots in his group who were being told they would probably get the 777 fleet if hired - regardless of the fact that they only had A320 time.

Is the 777 fleet so under-staffed that previous type experience does not matter? Just curious.

lcristler

I currently fly the airbus and during my interview last month I wasnt asked what airplane I would prefer. I did get the Airbus and ground school starts for me in July. No one else in my group of 6 got hired.

Iver

lcristler,

Thanks for that information. Did you also get the 777 sim during the interview process? Is the 777 sim standard for all interviewees? Also, at what point did you learn about your fleet selection (i.e., when offered a position or later)?

bhanab

I am also being invited for the interview with EK. Can anyone help in telling me what all they ask and speak about. Whats the physometry test all about. Any information will be highly appreciated

lcristler

I did my sim in the 777 and from what I hear thats all they are using..When I received the email about 3 weeks after my interview with the job offer I was scheduled for Airbus Ground school.

johnrico

lcrister, which Airbus are you assg. to?

Kapitanleutnant

You poor guys....

I'm really sorry to say you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are about to get yourselves into at EK.

Make no mistake about it.... you will come back to this forum someday after or even during training and understand just some of the things you've read here on Pprune and been warned of.

I came here for the much touted upgrade and it just seems we all have been continuously beat up my a management that sees no problems with flying us 94 hours per month thru all differing time zones, no support whatsover, a seemingly constant battle just to get some semblance of justice when you have been blatently wronged by either the system or crew sched. Things that you used to not worry about so much with regards to family issues and getting time off to take care of them will all the sudden become a fight with a duty manager or higher to get that time to take care of things.

Unless you are essentially going to starve yourself or your family if you don't take this job, run away from it and run fast.

If the world economy was more healthy and other airlines were hiring, I believe it safe to say that almost 80% of the pilots at EK would be gone or getting ready to leave. This very statement was met with a standing ovation at a large TRI/TRE meeting a month or two ago.

K

Padawan Learner

@ lcristler,

When did you do your interview? ...and more importantly did you accept the job?

Would you mind giving a brief run down of what the 4 days consisted of? I know it was 3 days in the past. Do you have any idea if and what they have changed from the past?

Any idea if your accomodation has been allocated yet? and if so which area in Dubai?

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks

palm

Patawan, dont you get it? Please read all the thinks about EK and RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Pirate.of.the.sky

Hi guys,

I guess the rumors are true then... a couple of guys are gone to Vietnam looking into the eastern horizons, friendly faces and greener grass (as always)

Any sugestions on who to contact if I wanna follow the way into Vietnam?
DPI, PARC, Rishworth?

And here we go again...

CAVnotOK

Apparently Parc are the only ones worth going with.

Cav.

Pirate.of.the.sky

Thanks

And if any of the guys out there still read this. I'll appreciate some insights. Welcome to PM me.

Cheers

flyan

Hi guys I just wanted to find out if anyone can tell me if emirates requests to see a high school diploma at the interview. as EMBARASSING as this is, I never did maths at school and wanted to know if they will see that and cast me aside. Any insight from people who have been through the process will be appreciated.

Wizofoz

Not aware of there being any particular educational requirement. If it's not mentioned in the recruitment literature, I don't think it will be a problem.