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Emirates (EK) Interview - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 26th Aug 2019, 11:04
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Hi guys, I am flying corporate (left seat, plane with 14 tons). Unfortunately I still do not meet the minimum requirements for Emirates and I will need another 1,5 years to fly the required hours. Do you know of somebody that got hired even with less hours than the required one? Should I give a try or is it a waste of time?
Many thanks in advance
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 12:37
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Originally Posted by ufon View Post
Hi guys, I am flying corporate (left seat, plane with 14 tons). Unfortunately I still do not meet the minimum requirements for Emirates and I will need another 1,5 years to fly the required hours. Do you know of somebody that got hired even with less hours than the required one? Should I give a try or is it a waste of time?
Many thanks in advance
If you can, get to one of the recruitment roadshows held on a regular basis and speak to the recruitment team face to face.
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 14:38
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Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Pudding View Post


If you can, get to one of the recruitment roadshows held on a regular basis and speak to the recruitment team face to face.
Thank you a lot
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 17:01
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GCAA medical test

This includes eye test and x-rays. Can anybody tell me what kind of x-ray are these? I had my shoulder joint medical screws 2 yrs ago, there are 4 of them. Already simulator checked by a DGCA doctor and i passed with satisfactory. Is this would be a problem for EK? I need the details of what x-rays they perform and in which part of the body.

Thanks
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 21:58
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Originally Posted by wingsover View Post
This includes eye test and x-rays. Can anybody tell me what kind of x-ray are these? I had my shoulder joint medical screws 2 yrs ago, there are 4 of them. Already simulator checked by a DGCA doctor and i passed with satisfactory. Is this would be a problem for EK? I need the details of what x-rays they perform and in which part of the body.

Thanks
I recently did my medical with them. The X ray consist of chest only. They make u stand and tell you to take a deep breath and hold it hardly takes a second or two.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 13:52
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777 DEC

Any time soon ? Any idea ? Thx
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 06:42
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Originally Posted by T-6 View Post
Any time soon ? Any idea ? Thx
DEC unlikely, join the queue waiting for upgrades.
Plenty of blinkered people with selective hearing who joined knowing better than those of us here all still waiting.

those waiting for upgrade have “London Syndrome”
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 09:40
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The x-ray is a chest x-ray only to check for TB.
You can pass the medical with bits of metal holding you together, it is not a limitation on the GCAA medical unless it effects your abilities. If you set of the metal detectors however you will need to get a note from the doc to show security.
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 10:34
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Well, highly possible. But you'd piss off a whole bunch of prop FO's who are waiting for a chance to upgrade on a widebody worldwide operation with less than 3000 total Jet time
Wouldn't be an EK thread without some bashing directed at the turboprop drivers

If the pilots' seniority allows for upgrade, they meet the requirements for upgrade, have the correct attitude for upgrade and pass the upgrade, then they should be allowed to upgrade. It's all part of the same Check and Training system that ALL pilots are trained and examined by.

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Old 30th Aug 2019, 12:56
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Originally Posted by Fuel-Off View Post
Wouldn't be an EK thread without some bashing directed at the turboprop drivers
Interesting enough, In all my years of airline training the folks that seem to do better at actually handling the A/C have been the Turboprop and Helicopter pilots. Go figure!

Now the question is, Is the Fast Track to Command offer just a hiring tool? Are there folks that come in with experience that have been upgraded in that 7 month timeline?

Just curious, no need for the EK hating brigade to get their panties in a bunch! I'm just trying to gauge the level of fairness in the process, for example, here in Japan everyone seems to think that it is a straight forward process and that once your seniority number hits, you will go through the process and with hard work and dedication you will make it, when in fact it is more about playing the culture game than anything else! Resulting in some individuals that make it to the left seat that shouldn't be anywhere near an airplane, little alone sitting on the left seat, and some very good operators that are given a very hard time at the "Whack a Mole" table just because of one rogue checker that hates his life, so he has to make sure you hate yours! That is simply the truth!

Same, same or is it a fair but difficult process?

Again, relax with the hate mail, not looking for a job, just curious!
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 20:01
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Originally Posted by Fuel-Off View Post
Wouldn't be an EK thread without some bashing directed at the turboprop drivers
Yeah, who needs experience anyway. You'll probably learn it on the job, especially when you're dead tired or sleeping under the EK blanket. Failing that, the quality EK training department will fill in the gaps during the training focused upgrade course.

EK is not a normal airline and is not the place to upgrade low experience FOs. EK however only cares about attracting wannabes who will happily accept deteriorating conditions and appalling treatment just to fly a shiny jet or escape a third world country. Lucky for them there is no shortage of those types.
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 20:15
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The first batch of TP drivers actually had far more experience (most had 7000hrs+ when they were hired, most were 5+ year captains, some were examiners from their previous airline) than the average Ryanair or easyJet pilot. Does that not count for something?

(FYI not one TP driver has failed an EK type rating)

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Old 31st Aug 2019, 00:47
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FUel Off , where do you get your info from ? You're wrong !
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Old 31st Aug 2019, 06:49
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Originally Posted by Fuel-Off View Post
Does that not count for something?

(FYI not one TP driver has failed an EK type rating):
You are missing the point. EK is not a legacy airline which allows low experienced FOs to sit in the right seat for 10-15 years and gain experience that way. Instead you drag yourself from one duty to the next then hope to upgrade after 3 to 5 years. The experience levels in the left seat are plummeting, so who are the next generation of even less experienced FOs going to learn from? The turbo prop driver?

Total hours don't mean anything, but for an operation like EK , prerequisite should at least be some sort of previous widebody, maybe international type ops of a similar nature. Unless of course there was a robust training programme in place, which there isn't. I'm not at EK anymore, so I don't care, but I certainly won't be putting myself or my family on EK again after what I have seen at that place
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Old 31st Aug 2019, 15:30
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EK is not a legacy airline which allows low experienced FOs to sit in the right seat for 10-15 years and gain experience that way.

Where is that the case these days? Unless the airline is stagnant, that is simply not the case any longer! We want to think that this is the normal progression but the reality is that the PFT generation of 10 to 15 years ago are now the trainers at many airlines around the world, these are individuals that learned to fly in full glass aircrafts and at 350 hours sat on the right seat of a fully automated airliner and after 4 or 5 years are now on the left! What kind of experience do they have to teach?
Right now you have 5,000 total time captains flying wide bodies with 350 hour F/O's in many airlines around the world, so if that is your parameter not to fly on an airline, you are limited to airlines that are stagnant because not even at the majors in the US is like that anymore, How many TP pilots get hired at United or Delta every month?


The experience levels in the left seat are plummeting, so who are the next generation of even less experienced FOs going to learn from? The turbo prop driver?

Quite frankly, I'll take a TP driver as a trainer than a PFT wonder boy anyday!

prerequisite should at least be some sort of previous widebody, maybe international type ops of a similar nature.

Is that the case at any of the ACMI operators? Or mainline US carriers? You can't possibly tell me that you can call the training you get at Delta or United as "Comprehensive"

I know many pilots that their first international experience (outside of Mexico or Canada) have been on the right seat of a 767 after 6 weeks of training including OJT...

We might make an argument that maybe this is not ideal a d I tend to agree, but EK is far from being unique on that end.
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Old 31st Aug 2019, 21:29
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Originally Posted by directimped View Post
You are missing the point. EK is not a legacy airline which allows low experienced FOs to sit in the right seat for 10-15 years and gain experience that way. Instead you drag yourself from one duty to the next then hope to upgrade after 3 to 5 years. The experience levels in the left seat are plummeting, so who are the next generation of even less experienced FOs going to learn from? The turbo prop driver?

Total hours don't mean anything, but for an operation like EK , prerequisite should at least be some sort of previous widebody, maybe international type ops of a similar nature. Unless of course there was a robust training programme in place, which there isn't. I'm not at EK anymore, so I don't care, but I certainly won't be putting myself or my family on EK again after what I have seen at that place
No it’s you who is missing the point. The experience levels of new hires at EK was lowered years ago when the changed it to allow CRJ/ERJ drivers, then Ryanair/Easyjet f/o’s with 2500 hours. If you think T/P drivers are the ‘tip of the iceberg’ with lowering experience levels, that ship sailed long ago!

As was stated to you, doesn’t having former command/Check pilot/training experience mean anything? Yes it’s not about total hours, but if someone is capable of that level in a reasonable airline, I’ll happily sit next to them without ‘widebody international’ experience.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 18:36
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No it’s you who is missing the point. The experience levels of new hires at EK was lowered years ago when the changed it to allow CRJ/ERJ drivers, then Ryanair/Easyjet f/o’s with 2500 hours. If you think T/P drivers are the ‘tip of the iceberg’ with lowering experience levels, that ship sailed long ago!

As was stated to you, doesn’t having former command/Check pilot/training experience mean anything? Yes it’s not about total hours, but if someone is capable of that level in a reasonable airline, I’ll happily sit next to them without ‘widebody international’ experience.
Pathetic comment. 737/A320/CRJ/ERJ/TP FOs (or CAs) are not sufficiently qualified to fly just another airplane?
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 07:28
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Pathetic comment. 737/A320/CRJ/ERJ/TP FOs (or CAs) are not sufficiently qualified to fly just another airplane?
i think t’s more about the attitude they bring!

If they’re willing to learn then great, but too many think they know it all and don’t listen. They forget worldwide flying is very different to doing small hops around whichever region they come from.

I learnt from very experienced guys when I was new to commercial flying. But these days at EK there is a distinct lack of experience in the LHS, add that to new guys who think they know it all,= potential problem.

yes they might be able to fly the aircraft well but there’s more to it than that!.....
just my perspective!..

PS why people are still joining perplexes me!
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 11:33
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Pif Paf, I think it might be more of a generational then a type rating thing. Emirates are recruiting ever younger FOs and some (by no means all, be certainly some) come with a certain Millennial "attitude". (As an example, look at the trouble some of them get themselves into on social media despite being warned about the company line) They are blissfully unaware of what they don't know.

This can be seen in an even more extreme way in the cabin where experienced Pursers and Supervisors report an increasing "you can't tell me what to do" trend with the new joiners.

Short of increasing experience levels (and that will never happen), and therefore age, I don't know what the answer is.
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 13:50
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I second that emotion.

When it began I don't know but after the last few decades sitting in the back of the sim I can say there is most certainly a trend towards candidates who are satisfied with merely a passing grade, retaining no visible interest in refining their skills. It has certainly caused me to wonder how far down that road we can go before the profession itself becomes something unrecognizable..
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