7 EK Captains resign at same time?
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For every Captain that leaves, EK will need to recruit 2 more F/Os. One to replace the Captain and one to replace to F/O upgraded just to keep the status quo.
So that's 14 extra pilots on top of what they already need to expand.
Of course it's up to EK if they want to maintain the status quo!
And of course not hiring DECs
Oz
So that's 14 extra pilots on top of what they already need to expand.
Of course it's up to EK if they want to maintain the status quo!
And of course not hiring DECs
Oz
Not sure about that one Oz. The Upgraded FO replaces the captain that left, and the new joiner replaces the FO. Its only when someone upgrades due to fleet expansion you need two. One to fly with him and one to replace him.
Last time they were desperate for crew they announced the May pay rise in the Dec to entice new joiners with gold. Seems to be pretty quite this Dec.
The Don
Last time they were desperate for crew they announced the May pay rise in the Dec to entice new joiners with gold. Seems to be pretty quite this Dec.
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If 7 pilots leave you need to hire 7 more....not 14. The upgrades will happen from within the company and then they hire 7 new FO's to replace those upgrading.
It does however take 14 training slots if 7 captains leave. 7 upgrades and 7 new hire courses (unless they hire 7 DEC's)
It does however take 14 training slots if 7 captains leave. 7 upgrades and 7 new hire courses (unless they hire 7 DEC's)
To right trader. That's what I was trying to say.
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Thanks The Don and Trader for picking up my maths mistake!
It is an expensive procedure taking up valuable sim and instructor time just for one Captain leaving, let alone 7.
Oz
It is an expensive procedure taking up valuable sim and instructor time just for one Captain leaving, let alone 7.
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1 course of 8 out sourced and its covered , double up on 2 upgrade courses all that will mean is more sims at 3am. Line training done by the new LTC's which take very little time to get online. Do you really think EK cares? No, NO and NO.
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FB: They will.
Despite many warnings that the property boom was going to burst and the jewel of the desert was a fake many buried their heads, continued buying and are now broke.
All the signs were there then for Dubai Inc and are now there for EK. EK are going to struggle big time. They can choose to ignore it, which indeed they are, but they are not going avoid some severe weather ahead.
EKs profits pale into insignificance when compared with the country's debt of over $120 billion. This is a burden EK, as one of the only assets Dubai has to offer, has to take on. If you really think that tourism and the import/export business will pay it off (the latter heavily reliant on Iran) then there is no shortage of sand to bury your heads.
Despite many warnings that the property boom was going to burst and the jewel of the desert was a fake many buried their heads, continued buying and are now broke.
All the signs were there then for Dubai Inc and are now there for EK. EK are going to struggle big time. They can choose to ignore it, which indeed they are, but they are not going avoid some severe weather ahead.
EKs profits pale into insignificance when compared with the country's debt of over $120 billion. This is a burden EK, as one of the only assets Dubai has to offer, has to take on. If you really think that tourism and the import/export business will pay it off (the latter heavily reliant on Iran) then there is no shortage of sand to bury your heads.
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Originally Posted by marooned
country's debt of over $120 billion.
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Please change your handle to Bitter and Twisted.
Thats all that is in your posts over the last too many years, that I have to skip past your comments.
What is your interest in any of these subjects? Apart from stirring up a reaction.
Oh crap! I think I have just made your day. You sad little man.
Please change your handle to Bitter and Twisted.
Thats all that is in your posts over the last too many years, that I have to skip past your comments.
What is your interest in any of these subjects? Apart from stirring up a reaction.
Oh crap! I think I have just made your day. You sad little man.
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WK: Dubai.
IMF: $109 billion.
Merrill Lynch: $184 billion.
France 24: minimum $100.
FT: $110 billion.
All late 2010 estimates for Dubai's debt, not the UAE.
Dubai World: Originally thought to be $26.5 billion but Reuters estimates that it is nearer $39.9 billion.
As for AUH, any further assistance from them will have assets like EK tied in, if it already hasn't been.
IMF: $109 billion.
Merrill Lynch: $184 billion.
France 24: minimum $100.
FT: $110 billion.
All late 2010 estimates for Dubai's debt, not the UAE.
Dubai World: Originally thought to be $26.5 billion but Reuters estimates that it is nearer $39.9 billion.
As for AUH, any further assistance from them will have assets like EK tied in, if it already hasn't been.
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7 pilots a month is not that much. EK has been averaging 6 pilots a month for about 18 months now. The maangers will just look at this month and say the attrition rate was 7 in Dec instead of 6. Not a big deal until we start averaging 20 a month.
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I would imagine they will be looking at the cost of replacing those 108 in the past year and a half and offset it by the savings of lost overtime for the 2500 remaining pilots and be quite happy with the result.
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Hi!
Hiring/recalls (meaning more hiring) is picking up a LOT in the US. Sounds like it is also picking up in Europe?
China is, of course, going more and more completely insane for new pilots. EMB-145 capts are up to $10K/month+++.
More and more pressure on Ek/QR/KAL/Turkish, etc., etc.
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Hiring/recalls (meaning more hiring) is picking up a LOT in the US. Sounds like it is also picking up in Europe?
China is, of course, going more and more completely insane for new pilots. EMB-145 capts are up to $10K/month+++.
More and more pressure on Ek/QR/KAL/Turkish, etc., etc.
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Who gives a f--k if they quit.
You all work for a middle east airline with middle east mentallity.....
60 percent, my guess of all emirates airlines pilots and other airlines out there, eventually will quit....5,10 years whatever.........
americans will go back to the states, europeans will go back to europe, australians and so on.......
waisting your precious life looking for the cash and your years gone by, lets hope not your health, that will lead you to spend all of your money saved, either getting your health back or wishing you had your youth and therefore you will be spending everything with russian prostitutes.......or a young chick will take you for a ride.
and all that is my opinion: hired at emirates dec 2003, declined 2004 class, made less cash the following years but............had , have and will have a great time..........than been around hypocrats in the middle east......
You all work for a middle east airline with middle east mentallity.....
60 percent, my guess of all emirates airlines pilots and other airlines out there, eventually will quit....5,10 years whatever.........
americans will go back to the states, europeans will go back to europe, australians and so on.......
waisting your precious life looking for the cash and your years gone by, lets hope not your health, that will lead you to spend all of your money saved, either getting your health back or wishing you had your youth and therefore you will be spending everything with russian prostitutes.......or a young chick will take you for a ride.
and all that is my opinion: hired at emirates dec 2003, declined 2004 class, made less cash the following years but............had , have and will have a great time..........than been around hypocrats in the middle east......
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HAHAHAHAH!
Yes, you certainly sound like a happy person! Bitter much? Where is this magic job and place, so I can apply?
Those damn "hypocrats", "waisting" their time...
Yes, you certainly sound like a happy person! Bitter much? Where is this magic job and place, so I can apply?
Those damn "hypocrats", "waisting" their time...
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It is very interesting what is happening lately with jobs opening up, guys are making movements that would be widely considered sideways movements and some movements are just plain backwards!!! It seems that some folks are just looking for different pastures and not necessarily greener!!!! 
