EK DEC's- Future Recruitment?
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Cliff, though I agree that things are turning around in the states, I think you might a little too optmistic. correct me if I am wrong but American still has almost 2000 pilots on furlough. even at 30-50 recalls/ month it will take time. even if some will turn down the recall.
One of my friend is laid off from United and has still not be recalled. He thinks it could take from one to two years before he gets a call.
One of my friend is laid off from United and has still not be recalled. He thinks it could take from one to two years before he gets a call.
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Not all of the 250+ US pilots would go back and they certainly would not all go at the exact same time and EK would not be rushing to hire anymore if they thought the new ones would jump ship. But to those that go ,good luck just don't bitch about the US carriers after you go back.
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Out of interest and this isn't trying to be provocative, 'who would go back to a carrier that furloughed them?'
Essentially they have said 'f you' and shown zip loyalty. Why would you go back to have the long handle of a Louisville Slugger presented again in the future? I understand in the past the reasoning where if you did return and got to 55 with a US major you reached the land of retirement riches and a massive 401k pay off but what is the carrot now?
I know I am struggling to retire with EK so understand the sentiments but wonder about the security of an aviation market that drops its employees when a man in the Bronks decides he'll drive rather than fly for Thanksgiving.
Essentially they have said 'f you' and shown zip loyalty. Why would you go back to have the long handle of a Louisville Slugger presented again in the future? I understand in the past the reasoning where if you did return and got to 55 with a US major you reached the land of retirement riches and a massive 401k pay off but what is the carrot now?
I know I am struggling to retire with EK so understand the sentiments but wonder about the security of an aviation market that drops its employees when a man in the Bronks decides he'll drive rather than fly for Thanksgiving.
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saviboy - Cliff, though I agree that things are turning around in the states, I think you might a little too optmistic. correct me if I am wrong but American still has almost 2000 pilots on furlough. even at 30-50 recalls/ month it will take time. even if some will turn down the recall.
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They're having to contact hundreds(600?) to get dozens(50?) to return. Guys can defer and many are taking that option.
FAA manning changes could also require more pilots.
The potential for hiring by 2012 is considered a possiblity (deferments + rules change) by some.
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They're having to contact hundreds(600?) to get dozens(50?) to return. Guys can defer and many are taking that option.
FAA manning changes could also require more pilots.
The potential for hiring by 2012 is considered a possiblity (deferments + rules change) by some.
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Anybody given thought to the idea that the policy on upgrade requirements will mean that the supply of suitably qualified f/o's will be exhausted much sooner and now they have their artificially engineered need for DEC's.
4000 hours over 55T or 3000 EK type and 3 years with company, they'll be running out soon?
4000 hours over 55T or 3000 EK type and 3 years with company, they'll be running out soon?
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Possible recruitment
Was talking to a friend of mine working as a Captain. One of the many rumours that he heard is that EK is considering recruiting DEC's in the near future.
The reason being that they are not finding the required number of new joiners and it seems that for some reason F/O's are not passing their upgrade evaluation and sim checks. To make matters worse as from next month or so a large number of new B777's and A380's will start being delivered. He told me that everyone seems to be over worked, flying 90hrs per month even though management had promised things will turn for the better earlier this year.
Had a look the EK's recruitment site for any information on the matter. A FAQ states the following:
Does Emirates intend to recruit direct entry Captains?
We currently have many First Officers who are ready to upgrade to Captain, and therefore it is not a priority for the immediate future.
I am presently flying contracts. The money is good and so is the experience flying in different regions. However life sucks being away from home for weeks on end and I have had enough of it. Dubai and EK sound appealing and although I know that I'll be away from home on trips,the number of days at home will surely be more than at present.
Would appreciate any feedback or any truth on the above matter.
Thanks
The reason being that they are not finding the required number of new joiners and it seems that for some reason F/O's are not passing their upgrade evaluation and sim checks. To make matters worse as from next month or so a large number of new B777's and A380's will start being delivered. He told me that everyone seems to be over worked, flying 90hrs per month even though management had promised things will turn for the better earlier this year.
Had a look the EK's recruitment site for any information on the matter. A FAQ states the following:
Does Emirates intend to recruit direct entry Captains?
We currently have many First Officers who are ready to upgrade to Captain, and therefore it is not a priority for the immediate future.
I am presently flying contracts. The money is good and so is the experience flying in different regions. However life sucks being away from home for weeks on end and I have had enough of it. Dubai and EK sound appealing and although I know that I'll be away from home on trips,the number of days at home will surely be more than at present.
Would appreciate any feedback or any truth on the above matter.
Thanks
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Was talking to a friend of mine working as a Captain. One of the many rumours that he heard is that EK is considering recruiting DEC's in the near future.
The reason being that they are not finding the required number of new joiners and it seems that for some reason F/O's are not passing their upgrade evaluation and sim checks.
The reason being that they are not finding the required number of new joiners and it seems that for some reason F/O's are not passing their upgrade evaluation and sim checks.
And only a few F/Os haven't made the left seat during their upgrade course - they are the ones who would struggle at other airlines too in all likelihood. A lot of new captains with shiny new stripes on their shoulders - sorry to deflate your bubble
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I doubt if your friend knows any more than White Knight as to what EK have in mind as regards DEC's in the future.
On the other hand perhaps WK has the ear of management?
All I know it is expensive and time consuming to upgrade a F/O and then have to replace him with another.It is not as if by all accounts F/O's are leaving in droves. Airlines that employ expats have always done whatever they like as they know that most of you have little option but to stay.
The problem with DEC's is getting the right ones who are already type rated and EK route experienced which saves time and money getting out on the line. EK have a very extensive route structure in some very demanding areas so EK if they had any sense would upgrade F/O's who are up to speed if unable to attract decent DEC's.
On the otherhand I believe that DEC's were not involved in either of the two A340 incidents at JNB and MEL?
I doubt if your friend knows any more than White Knight as to what EK have in mind as regards DEC's in the future.
On the other hand perhaps WK has the ear of management?
All I know it is expensive and time consuming to upgrade a F/O and then have to replace him with another.It is not as if by all accounts F/O's are leaving in droves. Airlines that employ expats have always done whatever they like as they know that most of you have little option but to stay.
The problem with DEC's is getting the right ones who are already type rated and EK route experienced which saves time and money getting out on the line. EK have a very extensive route structure in some very demanding areas so EK if they had any sense would upgrade F/O's who are up to speed if unable to attract decent DEC's.
On the otherhand I believe that DEC's were not involved in either of the two A340 incidents at JNB and MEL?
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Originally Posted by MC
On the otherhand I believe that DEC's were not involved in either of the two A340 incidents at JNB and MEL?
Then again - you'll get all kinds of pilots having all kinds of incidences! Look at the Avianca 747 in Madrid. A 25,000 hour pilot in the left seat there...
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If, as rumours have it, the pool of applicants is drying up and they have problems finding pilots to fill the seats, then it must only be a matter of time. And I doubt it will be a long time.
However, there won't be thousands of applicants for those positions either. The pilot community is well aware of the hard work in EK and the (lack of) quality of life in Dubai.
I was interested before but every time I layover in Dubai the place lose more and more of its attraction. I have some 20 friends working for EK and they range from 1-20 years in the company so I believe I have a fairly good insight in what living in Dubai means;
It's a way of paying your bills but as soon as you can afford it you leave.
However, there won't be thousands of applicants for those positions either. The pilot community is well aware of the hard work in EK and the (lack of) quality of life in Dubai.
I was interested before but every time I layover in Dubai the place lose more and more of its attraction. I have some 20 friends working for EK and they range from 1-20 years in the company so I believe I have a fairly good insight in what living in Dubai means;
It's a way of paying your bills but as soon as you can afford it you leave.
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Why is it that the courses are still being filled? It might only be up to Oct but it just seems to get done. Lately apps from most os the RBA pilots ,Air Malta and who knows with QF, but thet keep coming.
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When EK did take DEC's in the past the failure rate at the assessment was 90% so be careful what you wish for. It's a very different sim/interview and if you fall you won't be asked back.
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Well I think it's quite normal that a DEC's interview and assessment are more demanding.
