QR Cpt death on board
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Breifings to go to sleep by
4HP happy to note a fellow "Fan" of long superfluous "brief"ings.....
Along with slow taxing they seem to be becoming an Industry epidemic
Perhaps also worth noting increasing tribe of those(like Patty747400) wanting "company to decide what action to take and where to land"
Along with slow taxing they seem to be becoming an Industry epidemic
Perhaps also worth noting increasing tribe of those(like Patty747400) wanting "company to decide what action to take and where to land"
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4HP,
Fully respect your position and decision here on this thread and will fully abide by your moderation. But, there is one particular post on this thread (placed by a member who's username begins with the letter between E and G in the alphabet) that utterly sickens me and many others who have read it.
The aviator who had to make those decisions and land the aircraft (wherever) following the demise of his colleage will undoubtedly be "thrilled" to have read the comments made in said post. i.e. that his actions were driven by self-interest rather than consideration for his dying colleague?
Hmmm. Not healthy debate, IMO, but downright slanderous.
Everyone is entitled to his opinion, I guess, especially when said opinion (like mine now) is spouted from an anonymous armchair somewhere................
RIP, Ajay.
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Fully respect your position and decision here on this thread and will fully abide by your moderation. But, there is one particular post on this thread (placed by a member who's username begins with the letter between E and G in the alphabet) that utterly sickens me and many others who have read it.
The aviator who had to make those decisions and land the aircraft (wherever) following the demise of his colleage will undoubtedly be "thrilled" to have read the comments made in said post. i.e. that his actions were driven by self-interest rather than consideration for his dying colleague?
Hmmm. Not healthy debate, IMO, but downright slanderous.
Everyone is entitled to his opinion, I guess, especially when said opinion (like mine now) is spouted from an anonymous armchair somewhere................
RIP, Ajay.
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You illiterate or just provocative?
Where did I write that I'd let the company DECIDE where to land?
Whenever I'm faced with a (non emergency) situation where I need to land at another airport I would of course ask where my company wants the aircraft and (listen carefully now) if it doesn't affect the safety of my flight I'd be happy to do what they want.
Would you not?
You illiterate or just provocative?
Where did I write that I'd let the company DECIDE where to land?
Whenever I'm faced with a (non emergency) situation where I need to land at another airport I would of course ask where my company wants the aircraft and (listen carefully now) if it doesn't affect the safety of my flight I'd be happy to do what they want.
Would you not?
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Mayday, pilot incapacitation
Sorry I might have missed a bit of info here but according to my knowledge loosing a member of the on-duty flightcrew is an emergency regarless of how many other pilots may be on board... unless you call yourself M. O'Leary...
If not considered an emergency why diverting then? they could have continued to destination with the spare Cpt...
Let's just pay respect to the fallen one and hope this doesn't happen again
If not considered an emergency why diverting then? they could have continued to destination with the spare Cpt...
Let's just pay respect to the fallen one and hope this doesn't happen again
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If you are a pilot you know there could be a lot of reasons to divert without you being in an emergency.
I was once on a 12 hour flight. Two captains, two first officers. After about two hours flight one of the F/O:s became ill, vomiting and with stomach pains. Food poisoned, no doubt.
We told him to go back to the bunk and relax for the rest of the flight. He was ok but not fit enough to perform in the cockpit so from a crew perspective he was "lost".
Had you been the captain you would have declared an emergency and landed asap?
If you are a pilot you know there could be a lot of reasons to divert without you being in an emergency.
I was once on a 12 hour flight. Two captains, two first officers. After about two hours flight one of the F/O:s became ill, vomiting and with stomach pains. Food poisoned, no doubt.
We told him to go back to the bunk and relax for the rest of the flight. He was ok but not fit enough to perform in the cockpit so from a crew perspective he was "lost".
Had you been the captain you would have declared an emergency and landed asap?
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I couldn't help it but I had to post something.
Firstly, I my condolences to the family.
Secondly, I am sorry to ruffle the feathers of all the wannabe future commanders here but as far as I know whenever an essential crew member is incapacitated it's a mayday situation & despite what many seem to think here a flight operating without a captain is most definately a serious problem. If it were not such a problem then surely the company would have instructed the FOs to continue as far as their duty times allowed.
Having said that we cannot second guess the decision of the guys onboard since that probably made the best decison that they could come up with.
Firstly, I my condolences to the family.
Secondly, I am sorry to ruffle the feathers of all the wannabe future commanders here but as far as I know whenever an essential crew member is incapacitated it's a mayday situation & despite what many seem to think here a flight operating without a captain is most definately a serious problem. If it were not such a problem then surely the company would have instructed the FOs to continue as far as their duty times allowed.
Having said that we cannot second guess the decision of the guys onboard since that probably made the best decison that they could come up with.
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It is easier to criticized others decision making when you're sitting down in front of your computer thinking what to type next.. without actually being in the real situation..
How many times do you think that your decision in the SIMULATOR is the best ever..????
Stop undermining your fellow pilots..
Rest in peace Ajay..
How many times do you think that your decision in the SIMULATOR is the best ever..????
Stop undermining your fellow pilots..
Rest in peace Ajay..
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I feel "if" the decision to divert to KUL was advised by Qatar operations
it was almost certainly influenced by the efficiency of KUL compared to Qatar to deal with this particular situation.
Imagine the torrent of adverse publicity that would have been caused if this flight had arrival in Qatar with a deceased Captain on board.
The pilots widow and child and the operations management were thankfully spared a potential spectacular display of inefficiency and red tape confusion at a very sensitive time.
Passing the NIMBY situation over to a proper organised major international airport to deal with it saved a lot of potential embarrassment.
it was almost certainly influenced by the efficiency of KUL compared to Qatar to deal with this particular situation.
Imagine the torrent of adverse publicity that would have been caused if this flight had arrival in Qatar with a deceased Captain on board.
The pilots widow and child and the operations management were thankfully spared a potential spectacular display of inefficiency and red tape confusion at a very sensitive time.
Passing the NIMBY situation over to a proper organised major international airport to deal with it saved a lot of potential embarrassment.
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Words are cheap! I hang my head in shame!
4 pages and 74 posts full of praises for a colleague who was apparently popular and well liked. Tons of condolences and words of support for the young family. But that is all it remained - words!
When it came time to put those words to action, the pilot community at QR has fallen well short. 1500 Pilots and all we have to show for that is a collection of QR 11,000 as a tribute to a fallen colleague and as support for his family!
Words are cheap indeed. I hang my head in shame at the sheer indifference and callousness of my fellow pilots at QR. Perhaps we are good enough only to moan and groan but are incapable of rising to the occasion when the situation demands it!
It is still not too late. A contribution of QR500-QR 1000 is not asking too much for such a noble cause? Let our actions speak for a change!!
When it came time to put those words to action, the pilot community at QR has fallen well short. 1500 Pilots and all we have to show for that is a collection of QR 11,000 as a tribute to a fallen colleague and as support for his family!
Words are cheap indeed. I hang my head in shame at the sheer indifference and callousness of my fellow pilots at QR. Perhaps we are good enough only to moan and groan but are incapable of rising to the occasion when the situation demands it!
It is still not too late. A contribution of QR500-QR 1000 is not asking too much for such a noble cause? Let our actions speak for a change!!
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Patty, if you are a Skipper, I would not like to be a fare paying passenger sitting behind you. If you are a Co-joe, you are a long way from Command.
Ofcourse it is an Emergency and of course it warrants a "mayday". Public Transport aircraft certified for operation by TWO pilots means that if you lose one, you are in a non normal. This non normal will be addressed by your company sop's. I suggest, drills complete, land at the nearest suitable alternate. Point is, Patty, you might lose the other operating pilot too ! Much like twin engine aeroplane, lose one, you have , technically lost 50% of your power & that, is a MAYDAY. Of course, from an airmanshippoint of view, you might lose the remaining engine !
"suitable" throws the debate wide open. I regularly float past Myanamar in my two engined widebody, Losing one donk, although Myanamar is the closest, it is really not that suitable.
I think the QR FO did a great job. A full Mayday should have been declared.
Safe flying guys and heartfelt thoughts to the skipper downed in his prime. R.I.P.
Ofcourse it is an Emergency and of course it warrants a "mayday". Public Transport aircraft certified for operation by TWO pilots means that if you lose one, you are in a non normal. This non normal will be addressed by your company sop's. I suggest, drills complete, land at the nearest suitable alternate. Point is, Patty, you might lose the other operating pilot too ! Much like twin engine aeroplane, lose one, you have , technically lost 50% of your power & that, is a MAYDAY. Of course, from an airmanshippoint of view, you might lose the remaining engine !
"suitable" throws the debate wide open. I regularly float past Myanamar in my two engined widebody, Losing one donk, although Myanamar is the closest, it is really not that suitable.
I think the QR FO did a great job. A full Mayday should have been declared.
Safe flying guys and heartfelt thoughts to the skipper downed in his prime. R.I.P.
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Shoguns...
If you want to blame something or someone: Blame Qatar Airways FIRST!
Where is the contribution of the company$$$$$$$$$....??
I have only one word unfortunatly..:SHAME ON...QATAR AIRWAYS!!
Thats it.
If you want to blame something or someone: Blame Qatar Airways FIRST!
Where is the contribution of the company$$$$$$$$$....??
I have only one word unfortunatly..:SHAME ON...QATAR AIRWAYS!!
Thats it.
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Tintin,
We are not talking about about a sick employee here...
If my memory is good its the 4th time since i'm with QR i receive such a letter asking to contribuate "GENEROUSLY"
everytime we loose a colleague..
I used to give ..twice i think,than i gave up..!
Don't you think that A company like Qatar Airways sitting on Billion of $$$(AND WASTING $$$ every year as well...) can't afford to do something for the family of one of his former employee...??
Let me tell you a TRUE (but sad) fact Tintin;a lot of crew are just disgusted/shocked and sick when they see such a letter(including me now..), this might unfortunatly explain the thiny donation IMHO.
Loc.
We are not talking about about a sick employee here...
If my memory is good its the 4th time since i'm with QR i receive such a letter asking to contribuate "GENEROUSLY"
everytime we loose a colleague..I used to give ..twice i think,than i gave up..!
Don't you think that A company like Qatar Airways sitting on Billion of $$$(AND WASTING $$$ every year as well...) can't afford to do something for the family of one of his former employee...??
Let me tell you a TRUE (but sad) fact Tintin;a lot of crew are just disgusted/shocked and sick when they see such a letter(including me now..), this might unfortunatly explain the thiny donation IMHO.
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I ear you, LOC but it is not the familly's fault IF Qatar Airways, again IF they do jack **** for them. I think it is our duty as colleague, friend ou simply fellow humain to help as much as we can specially IF Qatar Airways do not take there corporate responsability.
One day it might be you or me think about it.
Enjoy
One day it might be you or me think about it.
Enjoy
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"Public Transport aircraft certified for operation by TWO pilots means that if you lose one, you are in a non normal."
First of all, if you are a pilot you should know that emergency and "non-normal" is not the same.
If you refer to my last post you should read it again. There were four qualified pilots on board. If you refer to the QR flight they had three pilots on board.
Where's the "grave and immediate danger" in flying with two pilots at the controls?
"Public Transport aircraft certified for operation by TWO pilots means that if you lose one, you are in a non normal."
First of all, if you are a pilot you should know that emergency and "non-normal" is not the same.
If you refer to my last post you should read it again. There were four qualified pilots on board. If you refer to the QR flight they had three pilots on board.
Where's the "grave and immediate danger" in flying with two pilots at the controls?
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Anybody knowns what is the "comprehensive life insurance"
we suppose to benefit from the company according pilot's benefits mentioned on their website and what does it suppose to cover??
we suppose to benefit from the company according pilot's benefits mentioned on their website and what does it suppose to cover??
