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Old 16th Sep 2010, 17:51
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Medical at EK

Hey Guys,

does anyone know when EK is doing the Medical during the joining process? A chap of mine has passed the interview and everything then after he has quit his present job EK called him that he didn`t pass the medical and therefore coudn`t get the job.
Not quite fair in my eyes so I wonder if this is the normal procedure..
My interview date is next month but I am not willing to end up with nothing.
The funny thing is that my collegue had never any problems before to get the medical and was just told that he hadn`t passed the eye test. Are they doing the normal stuff or anything out of the ordinary?

Thanks for any info regarding this

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Old 16th Sep 2010, 17:56
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Why did he quit his job if he hadn't been offered a job at EK?

The medical is done on day 4 of the selection process, and a contract/job offer will only be sent out if you are fully successful through ALL stages including medical and references.
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 18:21
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Yes the medical is done on the 4th day , after they inform you that you have been successful during the interview process. But you still need to pass the medical and security so they specifically tell you NOT to quit your job . They do send out the referee forms which that might cause a bit of a problem if you are not offered a contract at the end.

The medical examination is very thorough and last about 3 to 5 hours depending their workload. This is a full GCAA class 1 examination so you don t have to worry if you going to fail it after you join. First part is done in the Emirates clinic which is located on the basement of the headquarters (same place you do the interview). Second part they send you to a government hospital where you do the eye exam ( again !!!! ) and x-rays.

My advice watch out for you BMI and your waist perimeter (102 cm limit).
If you think you might have a health problem go to your doctor and try to improve your condition. They take the medical exam very seriously since you get health and life insurance after you join.

Hope this helped. Wish you good luck....

P.S. Pls excuse my spelling...
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 19:03
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EK medical, what a joke. A long as BMI is ok you are fit and healthy.

Third world country, third world mentality .

Ps. reading today that our wonderful health insurance is great, as long as you don't mind waiting a month to see a doctor.
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 19:21
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Second part they send you to a government hospital where you do the eye exam ( again !!!! )
Why do you have an eye exam again? Is it a different test or something?
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 23:38
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How is the hearing test? A friend of mine is all OK with everything else, but her left ear is well.... a little hard of hearing. She doesn't have problems in the cockpit, and it's never really been picked up on with her FAA medicals, but during her JAA Medical, she had to do the hearing portion on 3 different occasions as her left ear was a little weak. She made my excuses (been swimming on first occasion, recovering from cold on 2nd occasion, and finally got through it on her 3rd occasion).

She's planning to get her ears syringed in a week or so just to clear/clean out any 'gunk' she may have in there to improve her chances - but just wanted to see if she'd be not offered a position if her left ear was deemed to be a bit weak.
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Old 17th Sep 2010, 04:32
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Pardon............
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Old 17th Sep 2010, 07:01
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Hi

Just wondering if anyone would know what are the standards for colour blindness at EK.
I cannot read some plates in the ishihara test but I did the lantern test and passed it. I have even got a class 1 medical here in oz with no restrictions.
So would this be accepted at EK?? Anyone with any info on this could shed some light pls.
Thnx
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Old 17th Sep 2010, 14:18
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The eye exam at the hospital is a little more in depth with photos taken of your eyes. They check the pressure and many other things. A lot different than looking at a book and telling what the numbers are or reading a chart off the wall.
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How is the hearing test? A friend of mine is all OK with everything else, but her left ear is well.... a little hard of hearing. She doesn't have problems in the cockpit, and it's never really been picked up on with her FAA medicals, but during her JAA Medical, she had to do the hearing portion on 3 different occasions as her left ear was a little weak. She made my excuses (been swimming on first occasion, recovering from cold on 2nd occasion, and finally got through it on her 3rd occasion).

She's planning to get her ears syringed in a week or so just to clear/clean out any 'gunk' she may have in there to improve her chances - but just wanted to see if she'd be not offered a position if her left ear was deemed to be a bit weak.
Hey guys, I'm wondering the same thing. I have the same problem, except I'm basically deaf in the left ear (from birth). But in the US, the FAA requires for a 1st class medical the "ability to hear an average conversational voice from 6 feet away" with back turned to doctor. That I can do, I have no problem hearing things. So I have a first class medical in the US with a restriction for wearing corrective lenses, but no restriction/waiver for hearing. I currently fly for a USA Part 121 airline as well.

Would I stand a chance at EK?

What would help most is if I could get a hold of UAE GCAA standards for a 1st class medical, but to date, I have not been able to find anything online.

Anyone have a link? There's gotta be something out there!

Please help!
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Old 17th Sep 2010, 20:30
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CRJ brats' description is accurate. In the EK clinic you get examined by a general doctor employed by EK. In the hospital the nurses do the tests and then an ophthalmologist sees the results and examines you accordingly.
As for the audiograme it was in my opinion one of toughest I 've done.
Typical push the button when you hear the sound at varius frequencies , but lots of noise coming from outside and you can barely hear anything.
Sorry but can t help you regarding the color deficiency , but I ll see if I can dig up the EK medical requirements and I ll post them..... If I remember right they email it to you when you confirm the interview date.
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Old 17th Sep 2010, 20:56
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Found it!!
Can t copy/paste the whole thing but here are the required sections:

Ear, Nose and Throat

Acceptable:
-Well controlled allergic rhinitis or sinusitis on aviation approved medications Unacceptable: -Recurrent otitis media or tympanic membrane (eardrum) perforations -Otosclerosis
-Meniere’s disease -Spontaneous or positional nystagmus -Cholesteatoma -Perilymph fistula -Severe motion sickness -Any ear disease or condition that may cause vertigo or a disturbance of speech or equilibrium. -Severe hearing loss Hearing Pure tone audiometric test. Unaided, with thresholds no worse than:
Frequency
500 Hz 1,000 Hz 2,000 Hz 3,000 Hz
Worst Ear
35 dB 35 dB 35 dB 50 dB

Vision

Advisable to EK clinic:
> + or - 5D spherical equivalent either eye
Spherical equivalent is determined by algebraically adding half the cylinder part of the correction to the spherical part of the correction Unacceptable: Functionally monocular Diplopia Keratoconus Glaucoma Other progressive conditions

LASIK/PRK
Acceptable if:

Pre-surgical refraction meets above vision standards Treatment done when > 21years old > 12 months after the procedure Stable vision (less than 0.75 D variation diurnally) No postoperative complications Unacceptable: Radial keratectomy Intercorneal rings

Cataract Surgery

Acceptable:
If more than 3 months post procedure or more than 12 months for cataract transplant No complications
Meets visual standards
Retinal Surgery Acceptable if: More than 6 months post procedure No complications Meets visual standards
Colour Vision Acceptable if “Colour Safe”: Pass first 15 plates of Ishihara pseudoisochromatic plates (24 plate version)

Hope this helps.
Again my opinion is DO NOT take the EK medical lightly ,it is a shame to pass the interview process and then get turned down just because you didn t try to do anything before the interview .
Don t believe to posters telling you it is a joke, if you happen to be the 1 out of a hundred who got sacked cause of this, then you ll have a different opinion .
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Old 17th Sep 2010, 21:20
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Hey thanks a lot for posting the eye limits...I fall within the parameters but up to now had no idea what these were. Quite surprised about the LASIK though...
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Hi Flying Duke,

The "General" doctors that you refer to are actually Fully qualified Aviation Medical Examiners.

Good luck with your application.
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Old 18th Sep 2010, 07:54
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Hey 777boyindubai,

Maybe you don t understand the term "general doctor" or maybe i am not conveying it correctly. Most of the approved JAA doctors with private practices are general Aviation doctors, at least in Europe.
That does not diminish them in any way , to the contrary, cause they need to have a wider range of knowledge. If they need a more in-depth examination they send you to a specialist.
Hope this clears things up , cheers.
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Old 4th Jan 2011, 16:30
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EK medical requirements

Hi: I just wanted to ask you,where did you get this info?

Thank you
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Originally Posted by Flying duke View Post
They take the medical exam very seriously since you get health and life insurance after you join.
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to correct you

you are not getting an insurance
EK is covering the costs of a doctor visit. There is no choice in doctors as most of, better literally everything has to be approved by EK medical service. Since their internal cost cutting Programm on medical benefits it became more and more difficult to get approval.
If you have a friend there, have a look into his medical card. In general it says “referral only” and it’s meant so. Even if you walk into a emergency it can happen that the will ask you to call medical benefit first to get the referral.
otherwise you go pay and claim which can be super long process until you get your money, if not somebody decided that the treatment you received is way out of standard and EK coverage, and therefore it will only be partly reimbursed.

secondly you are becoming a cost factor which in fact led to all the redundancies and in future your sick balance and the involved costs will decide over your career path (e.g command upgrade - that’s from an internal source).

thirdly there is a problem with data protection. For the sake of paying your doctor visit EK demands every single detail of your treatment. Once this information is within EK literally every single person (including flight ops) can get information about your doctors visit, and can and will eventually use it against you.
back to why people where chosen to be made redundant- and/or have been rejected during the rejoining process, at a point where you have not given any detailed health information or haven’t been examined by a EK doctor.



so good luck with your “insurance”

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Old 17th Apr 2022, 09:48
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Originally Posted by frbfl
Once this information is within EK literally every single person (including flight ops) can get information about your doctors visit, and can and will eventually use it against you
Absolute [email protected]…….. No one outside the medical department can access your medical file! And the medical staff will not release any of your medical information to anyone outside the department.

What’s used against you is your attendance record; especially if you’re a habitual 2-pusher!
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 18:46
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Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
Absolute [email protected]…….. No one outside the medical department can access your medical file! And the medical staff will not release any of your medical information to anyone outside the department.

What’s used against you is your attendance record; especially if you’re a habitual 2-pusher!
If so why have some people being directly asked for their medical condition when being useful to put pressure on them?
Within EK there is absolute no data confidentiality, once the data is within EK. It goes even so far that certain people from EK flight ops demand that record. It may not had happen to you, but it definitely happened.

yes those 2-pushers are identified via the attendance, that’s correct, I personally know some who had to explain doctors visits in regards to a specific treatment resulting in long sick where they where confronted with very specific details which should not even with medical administration, but they where - that all happend around upgrade interviews.

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Old 18th Apr 2022, 04:22
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You are using half-truths to make it sound like a witch hunt and all because you have an axe to grind with the company.

The company does not give a rats arse what is wrong with you - they are only interested in your ability to work. If your condition impacts your attendance that is going to come down on you for sure. I have had several operations and my during my interaction with fleet, I did not feel that they wanted to know my medical issues - they wanted to know how long I could wait for the op and how long it would take to recover(and I had to give the doctor permission to give that information to them) - all perfectly reasonable.

I know that the SK will be on my record and when the next pandemic hits, I may well be let go - that is a calculation that I have made and am comfortable with. It's a reality I am lead to believe is not unique to the Middle east.

I don't know anything about your mates case but it is third hand information and I suspect skewed to his own point of view. It is also not impossible that some over zealous interviewer may have stepped over the line but that would not be the norm and is definitely not policy.
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