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EK how much $$ are you saving while working there?

Old 12th Sep 2010, 21:23
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Very handy info for those of us with wifes thinking of joining EK ...
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Old 13th Sep 2010, 03:42
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hey 747, regarding this:

Well, this is off the thread topic, so I apologies, but anyone considering EK with time less than 30 tonnes had better reconsider. There are many of us stuck on the airbus fleet flying shit rosters with 0 career progression because they magically pulled a 55 tonne weight requirement out of their ass about a year and half ago to transfer to the 380 and for upgrade, and now we are stuck with no where to go. So whether or not RJ time will get you in the door or not, that changes daily. What I can tell you is those in upper management have no respect for you if you flew a "small" jet and will f... you at every turn. On the other hand, things are constantly changing here, so my hopes are up, but my resumes are also going out in 6 months when the 3 year training bond is up if things haven't changed. As for the original thread topic, what you need to take out of all the posts is that how much you save really depends on you, and how you want to live. As I said before, you can save way more than you ever could at a regional in the US, but just bare in mind that Dubai is alot more expensive than most people realize at first glance.
What is the 55 ton rule? Sorry for ignorance, and lack of looking up, but you currently being on the A330, surely is at least 55 tons?
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Old 13th Sep 2010, 07:44
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Not ignorance at all, no worries. The 55 tonne rule at EK is referring to our new and revised fleet transfer and upgrade policy that they pulled out of thin air after the Melbourne tailstrike incident. What it says is that you must have 4000 hours of time in a jet over 55 tonnes for upgrade or 3000 hours of time in a jet over 55 tonnes to transfer to the A380 as an FO. The upgrade requirement, I guess I can understand that, but NOT the 380 transfer as an FO. What it essentially does is mean that anybody who did not fly a 737/A320 or bigger and is stuck until they get 3000 hours on the A330, and that, on this fleet, means a minimum of 4 years of having shit rosters and flying through the middle of the night on turn arounds to the subcontinent and middle east. The worst part is, is they are now forcing guys who don't want to go to the 380 to go, and keeping those of us who do want to go locked onto the fleet we don't want to be on, all because some little idiot that tops our management and has the initials AAR seemingly has a very small p...s and feels the need screw everyone around. Sorry for the last sentence, but this policy really pisses me off because it directly effects our quality of life here as I don't think there is anybody who won't agree with me that the A330 schedules are a nightmare! This was not policy when I got hired. Again, this is off topic again, but figured that the question should be answered.
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Old 13th Sep 2010, 13:58
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a747jb, I just want to clarify something regarding what you said.

Not ignorance at all, no worries. The 55 tonne rule at EK is referring to our new and revised fleet transfer and upgrade policy that they pulled out of thin air after the Melbourne tailstrike incident. What it says is that you must have 4000 hours of time in a jet over 55 tonnes for upgrade or 3000 hours of time in a jet over 55 tonnes to transfer to the A380 as an FO. The upgrade requirement, I guess I can understand that, but NOT the 380 transfer as an FO. What it essentially does is mean that anybody who did not fly a 737/A320 or bigger and is stuck until they get 3000 hours on the A330, and that, on this fleet, means a minimum of 4 years of having shit rosters and flying through the middle of the night on turn arounds to the subcontinent and middle east. The worst part is, is they are now forcing guys who don't want to go to the 380 to go, and keeping those of us who do want to go locked onto the fleet we don't want to be on, all because some little idiot that tops our management and has the initials AAR seemingly has a very small p...s and feels the need screw everyone around. Sorry for the last sentence, but this policy really pisses me off because it directly effects our quality of life here as I don't think there is anybody who won't agree with me that the A330 schedules are a nightmare! This was not policy when I got hired. Again, this is off topic again, but figured that the question should be answered.
If I join EK as an FO with almost 9000hrs TT and have 1900hrs a330 and 970hrs a320 I could most probably, going from the info I have read in this forum, be on the airbus fleet aka a330 and could possibly be also put on the a380 as I meet, almost, the 3000hrs above 55tons?
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Old 13th Sep 2010, 18:12
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As it is right now no direct 380 FO's , main reason no full 380 course
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Old 13th Sep 2010, 20:54
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a747,

Thanks for the info. No worries about language, it sounds well deserved. I'm sorry to hear the new change in hrs for transfer/upgrade.

I'm stil waiting for them to drop the 30 ton rule, and then I'd stand a chance.
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Old 13th Sep 2010, 21:31
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I think if they do Drop the 30T rule, there will be a massive influx of drivers applying from US regionals and also Europe! Depends how desperate they get i guess...
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Old 13th Sep 2010, 21:49
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Mango,

Sorry, I left out the part of 2 years with EK. So the fleet transfer requirements are all of what I wrote once you have been with EK for 2 years. Also, as of right now, Fatbus is correct, no direct entry FO's onto the 380.
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Old 14th Sep 2010, 14:57
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A single F/O spending 50 to 60 K $ a year????? Man I would love tro see a break down of your budget!! Spending 3 night a week in the rattle Snake do we?

Anyway as it stands you will find that even on the 330 guys with more then 3 and a half years in the company are doing decent rosters. Ask any junior Captain how there roster was before the upgrade.

It all boils down to seniority and you just have to do your time man.
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Old 15th Sep 2010, 13:07
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a747jb,

Ok, thanks for the clarification.
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Old 18th Sep 2010, 03:51
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I think you can see there are so many diverse answers that it is simply down to you and the lifestyle you want. If you are happy at home watching TV and cooking nice meal s you are going to be saving a lot more compared to those who are out 5 nights a week. Also it is an environment where it is pointless trying to impress people with your shiny new car because they all have them.
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Old 19th Sep 2010, 16:42
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Is there any case of new f/o didn't get company apartment? How much is the housing allowance for a married f/o w/o kids?
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Old 20th Sep 2010, 07:36
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I am married and have a wife who is an RN. I'd like to hear from any of you married folks....do any of you have wives with jobs in Dubai? I know my wife would like to find a nursing job out there if this is doable should I get on with EK. Thanks for any input!
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Old 20th Sep 2010, 07:46
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Western nurses and teachers are always in high demand. She can get an hospital job (good $ but hard work), a clinic job (ok $ with ok work load) or a school nurse job (little $ with great time off). Her's to choose. really.
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Old 20th Sep 2010, 09:55
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Just bear in mind she will be competing with nationalities who are willing to do the job for lesser pay. It depends what sort of position she is looking for, at managerial level, the pay may be a tad better.
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Old 21st Sep 2010, 10:01
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Great. Thanks for the information guys!
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Old 22nd Sep 2010, 14:08
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Well fred I guess you have read many opinions so far. I'm as well among the happy people here. Family is good, completely debt free, I spend my money wisely and if I spend I do it on travel and education for the kids. I work hard but better this than the street protests I had to do once I lost my job back in 2004 before moving here. So far 65 paychecks always on time and bonuses on top of that (except last year )... when I came here I was looking for stability and I found it, of course you need to adjust as you would anywhere isn't it..
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Old 24th Sep 2010, 17:56
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Fascinating thread folks,

Great to get an insight into life in the sandpit, and EK in particular. Even if it makes sobering reading for those of looking to crack airlines in the next few years

On the bright side, I'm sure EK will be looking to snap me up with my 1200hrs+ of C208 time

C of L.
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Old 15th Oct 2010, 12:06
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Would like to revive this thread,

I was just going through the EK pilot briefing document and would like to clarify some points that dont gel with whats been said here and on the Emirates group careers center web cite.

Firstly, the info that EK has emailed me states that the F/O starting salary is AED22,720 but if you look at the Emirates group web cite it states that the F/O starting salary is AED24,110. Wondering if anybody can clarify.

Secondly, the info I was emailed states that the company will contribute towards the charges of the utilities consumed to the value of AED21,600/annum and pay for the installation of a telephone. Just wondering if any EK pilot can confirm that AED1800/month is enough to cover those house hold bills as that seems verl low in comparison to the equivalent AUD(oz dollar) value.

Lastely, in relation to the unfurnished company accomodation the employee will recieve a once only furnishing allowance of AED30,000. Just wondering if that can be used towards the cost of relocating some of your house hold goods from your country of abode?

Thanks
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Old 15th Oct 2010, 12:57
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In my briefing it is 24110 basic...
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