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The 110,000 is a security deposit.
An amount from it is added to your salary per month and by the end of line training, you would have recovered the entire amount.
As far as salaries are concerned, they are quite good if you compare them to other airlines.
Earning 15-20k per month as a second officer is a good deal, and will then increase to 30-35k once you become a first officer.
The 110,000 is a security deposit.
An amount from it is added to your salary per month and by the end of line training, you would have recovered the entire amount.
As far as salaries are concerned, they are quite good if you compare them to other airlines.
Earning 15-20k per month as a second officer is a good deal, and will then increase to 30-35k once you become a first officer.
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The pay is certainly not 15k being a second officer , 35K as first officer is something you get the FO permanent contract which is at least 4 years into the company.
A simple answer to the posters thinking that this program is expensive,
If you are an incompetent Person, There is no way you should in this Profession.
People fail their training because they are incompetent, they don't study enough, lack of manual flying skills, lack of basic airmanship skills, Poor decision making, Lack responsibility and poor attitude.
They assume that if they pay 560K they will be in the right seat.
And when these people fail they cry pprune as you will read the negative posts on this thread.
YES THIS PROGRAM IS EXPENSIVE, BUT If you work Hard , become a competent Pilot using all the resources the Academy gives along with help of world class instructors this academy has, You will find yourself in right seat of the 320 with a pay that's better than all the LCC and major carriers in Europe and USA. You will work in a company that will respect you. you have an Excellent and kind management with an open door policy(which you dont find 99% of cariers today).
This Company maintains a POSITIVE MORALE in its Employees.
Being a part of such a company, doing the job you love , with excellent days off, Good stable rosters with high QOL, excellent pay relatively IS A DREAM to EVERY Pilot which ONLY ALPHA Aviation in Sharjah gives you IF ONLY IF YOU WORK HARD AND LEARN THE SKILLS TO BE A COMPETENT PILOT.
I agree the pay is low at the start, you cant survive in dubai with 5k unless you have financial support.
However, The long term benefits are just too good
A simple answer to the posters thinking that this program is expensive,
If you are an incompetent Person, There is no way you should in this Profession.
People fail their training because they are incompetent, they don't study enough, lack of manual flying skills, lack of basic airmanship skills, Poor decision making, Lack responsibility and poor attitude.
They assume that if they pay 560K they will be in the right seat.
And when these people fail they cry pprune as you will read the negative posts on this thread.
YES THIS PROGRAM IS EXPENSIVE, BUT If you work Hard , become a competent Pilot using all the resources the Academy gives along with help of world class instructors this academy has, You will find yourself in right seat of the 320 with a pay that's better than all the LCC and major carriers in Europe and USA. You will work in a company that will respect you. you have an Excellent and kind management with an open door policy(which you dont find 99% of cariers today).
This Company maintains a POSITIVE MORALE in its Employees.
Being a part of such a company, doing the job you love , with excellent days off, Good stable rosters with high QOL, excellent pay relatively IS A DREAM to EVERY Pilot which ONLY ALPHA Aviation in Sharjah gives you IF ONLY IF YOU WORK HARD AND LEARN THE SKILLS TO BE A COMPETENT PILOT.
I agree the pay is low at the start, you cant survive in dubai with 5k unless you have financial support.
However, The long term benefits are just too good
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ABY does not have an open door policy, management does what they feel like
The instructors ? Some dont have any jet or airline experience
15-20k AED is not a good salary after paying 560K AED
5 year bond after paying that much money? Really?
Rostering and HR are a disaster, most ops people are rude
No command upgrade program in place
This works great if you are rich and want a right seat 320 gig
The instructors ? Some dont have any jet or airline experience
15-20k AED is not a good salary after paying 560K AED
5 year bond after paying that much money? Really?
Rostering and HR are a disaster, most ops people are rude
No command upgrade program in place
This works great if you are rich and want a right seat 320 gig
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Haha not an MPL cadet, not involved with Aby at the moment but have dealt with them in the past
And no have not failed a line check , OPC or any other training .
HR and management is rude and not cooperative , that's my opinion. Glad I'm not flying there
And no have not failed a line check , OPC or any other training .
HR and management is rude and not cooperative , that's my opinion. Glad I'm not flying there
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If you aren't there then how do you know these things?
Ofcourse you are entitled to have an opinion but stop spreading bull****!
Open door policy - yes!
Rostering is disaster - not at all!
Most people rude - not al all, most people are extremely friendly
Command upgrades - bit though but possible
So please, don't mislead people.
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Please learn to read , I said I've dealt with them in the past . And from what I hear nothing's changed.
Mmm how many MPL have been upgraded? Zero ?
15k good salary ? Great you go on ahead, lovely how the management unilaterally decided to reduce the salary from 27k to 15? Remember that ?
You do what you want, but everything is not strawberries and champagne at Aby (no pun intended) haha
Mmm how many MPL have been upgraded? Zero ?
15k good salary ? Great you go on ahead, lovely how the management unilaterally decided to reduce the salary from 27k to 15? Remember that ?
You do what you want, but everything is not strawberries and champagne at Aby (no pun intended) haha
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FYI 4500 hrs required for upgrade in Air Arabia, so guys are just coming up for command. And yes, two MPL guys already upgraded and flying as captains!
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I've got 4 ATPLs on different licenses none of them MPL
Flight instructor ratings from FAA and Canada
Turboprop command time prop time in Africa
4000 airbus
And a disgruntled cadet from aplha ?
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I've got 4 ATPLs on different licenses none of them MPL
Flight instructor ratings from FAA and Canada
Turboprop command time prop time in Africa
4000 airbus
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Don't fall for marketing. EVERY airline scheme out there has one aim, that is to hire future captains. This automatically means more than 1500 hrs on type.
You may say you are not guaranteed it with other airlines. Well you aren't guaranteed 1500 hrs with Alpha. If you fail your exams or don't meet the Air Arabia standard, you will not be getting 1500 hours on type. This is absolutely no different to any other programme, but Alpha are trying to make it sound special with how they are marketing it.
There is a reason after having spent crazy amounts of cash on the training, that they actually want to get a 110,000 AED deposit off you ... this is in case you do not meet their standard and have to leave.
Now think about that, you have paid £140,000 on your training, and then when you get to line training, you have to pay an extra AED 110,000 deposit in case you fail the final part, Air Arabia call this their "security bond", but security against what ? you have paid for all of the training yourself, they have spent nothing on your training, but they want you to give them 110,000 AED in case you fail the final part. On what planet does this make sense ?
I think I sound angry haha, I'm really not, just trying to warn my fellow wannabe pilots about this scheme, there are far far better alternatives !!
You may say you are not guaranteed it with other airlines. Well you aren't guaranteed 1500 hrs with Alpha. If you fail your exams or don't meet the Air Arabia standard, you will not be getting 1500 hours on type. This is absolutely no different to any other programme, but Alpha are trying to make it sound special with how they are marketing it.
There is a reason after having spent crazy amounts of cash on the training, that they actually want to get a 110,000 AED deposit off you ... this is in case you do not meet their standard and have to leave.
Now think about that, you have paid £140,000 on your training, and then when you get to line training, you have to pay an extra AED 110,000 deposit in case you fail the final part, Air Arabia call this their "security bond", but security against what ? you have paid for all of the training yourself, they have spent nothing on your training, but they want you to give them 110,000 AED in case you fail the final part. On what planet does this make sense ?
I think I sound angry haha, I'm really not, just trying to warn my fellow wannabe pilots about this scheme, there are far far better alternatives !!
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I'd like to know the incidents/serious mishaps/ASRs/ hard landings that have happened because of MPL, of course things happen everywhere but putting a newbie with 70 hours in the right seat has gotta be scary for the instructor / line captain .
You guys are telling me the kids fly every sector perfectly and nothing ever goes wrong ? How has Aby done the risk mitigation ?
Not criticizing , just wondering before ! I'm sure the Line trainers and TRIs are good, no doubt about that but things happen ..
You guys are telling me the kids fly every sector perfectly and nothing ever goes wrong ? How has Aby done the risk mitigation ?
Not criticizing , just wondering before ! I'm sure the Line trainers and TRIs are good, no doubt about that but things happen ..
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Looks like Air Arabia hires the most MPL pilots out of any airline in the region (could be a good sign for those who actually this?)...still a lot of money, and very poor structure...the cost (approx 600000 AED) doesn't even include accommodation!
http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/ops-inf...Pages/mpl.aspx
Click MPL Implementation around the World, then the excel sheet.
http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/ops-inf...Pages/mpl.aspx
Click MPL Implementation around the World, then the excel sheet.
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Looks like Air Arabia hires the most MPL pilots out of any airline in the region (could be a good sign for those who actually this?)...still a lot of money, and very poor structure...the cost (approx 600000 AED) doesn't even include accommodation!
http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/ops-inf...Pages/mpl.aspx
Click MPL Implementation around the World, then the excel sheet.
http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/ops-inf...Pages/mpl.aspx
Click MPL Implementation around the World, then the excel sheet.
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Personally, i dont think Air Arabia is a career airline, unless you are captain, even then, the ME3 have far better pay/location. I think Arabia should be ashamed to offer such an expensive program, only to have the graduates live off second officer salary, not guarantee them a job (only a320 hours at first)...yes by the report most go on to line flying, but the circumstances are just too risky. Pretty sure most SO's go on to FO, gain enough to apply to ME3, and leave.
Same situation with FZ's SO program, low hour pilot, 35k usd for 737 type rating, only for an interview (if you pass the checkride!) !!!
Hopefully we see some oversight from the governing bodies as to SOME security for the candidates, like CTC has...sort of...
Same situation with FZ's SO program, low hour pilot, 35k usd for 737 type rating, only for an interview (if you pass the checkride!) !!!
Hopefully we see some oversight from the governing bodies as to SOME security for the candidates, like CTC has...sort of...
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Personally, i dont think Air Arabia is a career airline, unless you are captain, even then, the ME3 have far better pay/location. I think Arabia should be ashamed to offer such an expensive program, only to have the graduates live off second officer salary, not guarantee them a job (only a320 hours at first)...yes by the report most go on to line flying, but the circumstances are just too risky. Pretty sure most SO's go on to FO, gain enough to apply to ME3, and leave.
Same situation with FZ's SO program, low hour pilot, 35k usd for 737 type rating, only for an interview (if you pass the checkride!) !!!
Hopefully we see some oversight from the governing bodies as to SOME security for the candidates, like CTC has...sort of...
Same situation with FZ's SO program, low hour pilot, 35k usd for 737 type rating, only for an interview (if you pass the checkride!) !!!
Hopefully we see some oversight from the governing bodies as to SOME security for the candidates, like CTC has...sort of...
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Not sure why everyone keeps harping on about these "low salaries"... It's only for 100 sectors then they include a flying allowance up until you reach the 1,500hrs which you can find a copy of online.
If you are joining this profession then you should have a few things already tucked under your belt, one being an organised/well time managed individual.
You've just completed ground school as well as the core flying phase without any salary and still been able to eat. (Might not have party every weekend, buying $1000 bottles for the fireworks to show off in the club.. but still been able to eat)
Now why wouldn't you factor the first couple months (100 sectors) of line training into the planning of not making any salary during training also?
Yes, I am sure everyone believes 5,000AED/month is robbery when you think the person controlling that 50,000kg metal tube traveling at 800km/h is getting paid just that. But then think about the not so fortunate pilots that start from the ground up... The pilots that start instructing on 152's to hopefully one day get enough hours to be considered for a charter pilot on a King Air. Then a crazy amount of time on a twin prop before United/Delta/BA/Qantas would even consider them. You'd be well into your 40's possibly 50's before you'd have a chance in a jet.
Yes this course is expensive, yes they pay "low salaries" initially. But upon completion...and you're not a lunatic... ABY offer you a contract and within 2-3 years after starting at Alpha as a cadet you're on +25kAED/month + flying allowances!!
Please tell me of other courses that are of similar outcomes and cheaper in price excluding the GCC. If you get into ABY's MPL you come out with 1,500hrs on an a320 within around 3-4 years (give or take), at around the 750 mark they offer a contract (apparently) and at 1,500hrs that MPL that you're "abandoned with" according to some people on this thread and can't do anything with; turns into an ATPL automatically. That's minimum for most other GCC carriers especially at the moment with the shortage of pilots in the region.
Please don't take away from my rant that this MPL programme is a Pay-to-Fly scheme, it's not. I will tell you first hand that there are some people that think it is in the course however; if you are not up to standards ABY takes no prisoners and will cut you loose. That's why when you read the contract it is so scary, but it is for exactly that. The people who think they can throw money at something and climb on into an Airbus flight deck.
Anyways, that's my two cents... if anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to PM me.
Safe flying boys and girls.
If you are joining this profession then you should have a few things already tucked under your belt, one being an organised/well time managed individual.
You've just completed ground school as well as the core flying phase without any salary and still been able to eat. (Might not have party every weekend, buying $1000 bottles for the fireworks to show off in the club.. but still been able to eat)
Now why wouldn't you factor the first couple months (100 sectors) of line training into the planning of not making any salary during training also?
Yes, I am sure everyone believes 5,000AED/month is robbery when you think the person controlling that 50,000kg metal tube traveling at 800km/h is getting paid just that. But then think about the not so fortunate pilots that start from the ground up... The pilots that start instructing on 152's to hopefully one day get enough hours to be considered for a charter pilot on a King Air. Then a crazy amount of time on a twin prop before United/Delta/BA/Qantas would even consider them. You'd be well into your 40's possibly 50's before you'd have a chance in a jet.
Yes this course is expensive, yes they pay "low salaries" initially. But upon completion...and you're not a lunatic... ABY offer you a contract and within 2-3 years after starting at Alpha as a cadet you're on +25kAED/month + flying allowances!!
Please tell me of other courses that are of similar outcomes and cheaper in price excluding the GCC. If you get into ABY's MPL you come out with 1,500hrs on an a320 within around 3-4 years (give or take), at around the 750 mark they offer a contract (apparently) and at 1,500hrs that MPL that you're "abandoned with" according to some people on this thread and can't do anything with; turns into an ATPL automatically. That's minimum for most other GCC carriers especially at the moment with the shortage of pilots in the region.
Please don't take away from my rant that this MPL programme is a Pay-to-Fly scheme, it's not. I will tell you first hand that there are some people that think it is in the course however; if you are not up to standards ABY takes no prisoners and will cut you loose. That's why when you read the contract it is so scary, but it is for exactly that. The people who think they can throw money at something and climb on into an Airbus flight deck.
Anyways, that's my two cents... if anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to PM me.
Safe flying boys and girls.
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Not sure why everyone keeps harping on about these "low salaries"... It's only for 100 sectors then they include a flying allowance up until you reach the 1,500hrs which you can find a copy of online.
If you are joining this profession then you should have a few things already tucked under your belt, one being an organised/well time managed individual.
You've just completed ground school as well as the core flying phase without any salary and still been able to eat. (Might not have party every weekend, buying $1000 bottles for the fireworks to show off in the club.. but still been able to eat)
Now why wouldn't you factor the first couple months (100 sectors) of line training into the planning of not making any salary during training also?
Yes, I am sure everyone believes 5,000AED/month is robbery when you think the person controlling that 50,000kg metal tube traveling at 800km/h is getting paid just that. But then think about the not so fortunate pilots that start from the ground up... The pilots that start instructing on 152's to hopefully one day get enough hours to be considered for a charter pilot on a King Air. Then a crazy amount of time on a twin prop before United/Delta/BA/Qantas would even consider them. You'd be well into your 40's possibly 50's before you'd have a chance in a jet.
Yes this course is expensive, yes they pay "low salaries" initially. But upon completion...and you're not a lunatic... ABY offer you a contract and within 2-3 years after starting at Alpha as a cadet you're on +25kAED/month + flying allowances!!
Please tell me of other courses that are of similar outcomes and cheaper in price excluding the GCC. If you get into ABY's MPL you come out with 1,500hrs on an a320 within around 3-4 years (give or take), at around the 750 mark they offer a contract (apparently) and at 1,500hrs that MPL that you're "abandoned with" according to some people on this thread and can't do anything with; turns into an ATPL automatically. That's minimum for most other GCC carriers especially at the moment with the shortage of pilots in the region.
Please don't take away from my rant that this MPL programme is a Pay-to-Fly scheme, it's not. I will tell you first hand that there are some people that think it is in the course however; if you are not up to standards ABY takes no prisoners and will cut you loose. That's why when you read the contract it is so scary, but it is for exactly that. The people who think they can throw money at something and climb on into an Airbus flight deck.
Anyways, that's my two cents... if anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to PM me.
Safe flying boys and girls.
If you are joining this profession then you should have a few things already tucked under your belt, one being an organised/well time managed individual.
You've just completed ground school as well as the core flying phase without any salary and still been able to eat. (Might not have party every weekend, buying $1000 bottles for the fireworks to show off in the club.. but still been able to eat)
Now why wouldn't you factor the first couple months (100 sectors) of line training into the planning of not making any salary during training also?
Yes, I am sure everyone believes 5,000AED/month is robbery when you think the person controlling that 50,000kg metal tube traveling at 800km/h is getting paid just that. But then think about the not so fortunate pilots that start from the ground up... The pilots that start instructing on 152's to hopefully one day get enough hours to be considered for a charter pilot on a King Air. Then a crazy amount of time on a twin prop before United/Delta/BA/Qantas would even consider them. You'd be well into your 40's possibly 50's before you'd have a chance in a jet.
Yes this course is expensive, yes they pay "low salaries" initially. But upon completion...and you're not a lunatic... ABY offer you a contract and within 2-3 years after starting at Alpha as a cadet you're on +25kAED/month + flying allowances!!
Please tell me of other courses that are of similar outcomes and cheaper in price excluding the GCC. If you get into ABY's MPL you come out with 1,500hrs on an a320 within around 3-4 years (give or take), at around the 750 mark they offer a contract (apparently) and at 1,500hrs that MPL that you're "abandoned with" according to some people on this thread and can't do anything with; turns into an ATPL automatically. That's minimum for most other GCC carriers especially at the moment with the shortage of pilots in the region.
Please don't take away from my rant that this MPL programme is a Pay-to-Fly scheme, it's not. I will tell you first hand that there are some people that think it is in the course however; if you are not up to standards ABY takes no prisoners and will cut you loose. That's why when you read the contract it is so scary, but it is for exactly that. The people who think they can throw money at something and climb on into an Airbus flight deck.
Anyways, that's my two cents... if anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to PM me.
Safe flying boys and girls.
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It most certainly a pay to fly scheme, no illusions about it . AED 570,000 plus a 110,000 deposit is a ridiculous amount of money. Return on investment is long and uncertain .
The day recession hits , the MPLs will be the first ones to be cut loose.
That being said , if you've got the resources , it's probably the quickest way to fly a jet.
How many MPLs have been fired ? Or let go ? From what I hear almost everyone has finished and are happy
The day recession hits , the MPLs will be the first ones to be cut loose.
That being said , if you've got the resources , it's probably the quickest way to fly a jet.
How many MPLs have been fired ? Or let go ? From what I hear almost everyone has finished and are happy