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Thanks for your reply guys!
Why? What are the major problems now? Is the training conducted by professional instructors or not? You should know that compared with some of the biggest flight school in Europe Alpha Aviation Academy offer a very good scheme, apparently!
What I want to know is if things are changing or not?
It should be a good scheme as soon as you are guaranteed a job with Air Arabia, but if training is not worth it, it's very useless and unprofessional.
Let me know your thoughts guys, I'm in a decision time to visit the school!
Anyone reading this AAG is not the place to go. I made that mistake. U should not!
What I want to know is if things are changing or not?
It should be a good scheme as soon as you are guaranteed a job with Air Arabia, but if training is not worth it, it's very useless and unprofessional.
Let me know your thoughts guys, I'm in a decision time to visit the school!
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i have no problems with the instructors. They are great. It is the management that people here have a problem with including the instructors. Why else did so many leave?
The instructors can be the best in the world but if the management are uselss then there is not much that they can do!
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The instructors can be the best in the world but if the management are uselss then there is not much that they can do!
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Cadets who wish to join the Alpha Aviation Group MPL Program in Sharjah undergo screening, at the insistence of GCAA. But the way this screening is currently set up is seriously flawed: The fellow who is in charge of the screening is also paid a per head bonus for each cadet that he accepts into the MPL program. Therefore, if the screener rejects anybody (and so far in Sharjah, as is the case in Clark, cadets are never rejected), it is money out of his own pocket. .
Air Arabia is called outstanding by the media because of its very good management. The Alpha Aviation Group calls itself outstanding in the media, because it has a very bad management.
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Strato can u stop calling us liars?!
I know that AAG were FORCED to close down their flight line.
No flight school in their right mind would close down the flight line when they have 4 students only a few hours from completing the flight training.
These students had to travel all the way to Australia and spend more months training on a new air craft. As a result Alpha had to pay more money to complete their course. Once again, no company would do that!
Do NOT even think about calling me a liar. I have spoken to these 4 students and none of them were happy about it.
I know that AAG were FORCED to close down their flight line.
No flight school in their right mind would close down the flight line when they have 4 students only a few hours from completing the flight training.
These students had to travel all the way to Australia and spend more months training on a new air craft. As a result Alpha had to pay more money to complete their course. Once again, no company would do that!
Do NOT even think about calling me a liar. I have spoken to these 4 students and none of them were happy about it.
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Anyone thinking of parting with a lot of cash to ANY training school should read this first.
Examinership for Pilot Training Centre - The Irish Times - Wed, Jul 18, 2012
Never pay the total amount upfront, always pay as you go. If a school refuses to allow this then they are hiding something. Only deal with schools offering proper FATPL not MPL which is a mickey mouse license issued by the Disneyland CAA.
Examinership for Pilot Training Centre - The Irish Times - Wed, Jul 18, 2012
Never pay the total amount upfront, always pay as you go. If a school refuses to allow this then they are hiding something. Only deal with schools offering proper FATPL not MPL which is a mickey mouse license issued by the Disneyland CAA.
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Where are the solutions?
STRATO......
Your attempts to personalize this thread are pathetic..... not to mention that, for someone who pretends to be a simple spares salesman, you know a lot about the inner works of AAG.
Lets get back to the problems at hand, shall we?
Leaving aside the situations highlighted by other posters regarding the operational aspects of the AAG operations, which are a real concern, I stick to the humane negative points that have afflicted those who fell into the trap set-up by AAG since 2007. Yes, some have been skinned for 5 years without an end in sight for their plight.
Sure you, or anybody else, cannot deny this fact.
Since you seem to be so well informed, and have pointed out the "solutions" to the other problems, when will AAG resolve, once and for all, the still remaining serious issues affecting the unemployed MPL pilots in Clark?
Long overdue. Don't you think so?
Your attempts to personalize this thread are pathetic..... not to mention that, for someone who pretends to be a simple spares salesman, you know a lot about the inner works of AAG.
Lets get back to the problems at hand, shall we?
Leaving aside the situations highlighted by other posters regarding the operational aspects of the AAG operations, which are a real concern, I stick to the humane negative points that have afflicted those who fell into the trap set-up by AAG since 2007. Yes, some have been skinned for 5 years without an end in sight for their plight.
Sure you, or anybody else, cannot deny this fact.
Since you seem to be so well informed, and have pointed out the "solutions" to the other problems, when will AAG resolve, once and for all, the still remaining serious issues affecting the unemployed MPL pilots in Clark?
Long overdue. Don't you think so?
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Getting back to facts.
As long as there is anyone still unemployed after paying for a MPL licence where employment was promised, there is skinning.
But it is the same enterprise despite the changes in personnel. The onus is on the organisation to fulfill its obligations.
Exactly!!! The events that happened several years ago are still not resolved. Until they are, the responsibility lies with AAG no matter who is in charge.
The million dollar question is: When will the outstanding issues be resolved?
Since you say that AAG has almost unlimited resources, it should not be very difficult to find a solution. Why don't they do what is right?
No one got skinned, and there is only one unemployed MPL graduate.
The AAG of today bears no resembelance to the one of old,
so why do you continue to write about events that happened several years ago?
The million dollar question is: When will the outstanding issues be resolved?
Since you say that AAG has almost unlimited resources, it should not be very difficult to find a solution. Why don't they do what is right?
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BA Cityflyer MPL
A new MPL introduced this week, and many hard written promises.......
link from a Flight International E mail: https://blu151.mail.live.com/default...15ad73b0e&fv=1
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BA CityFlyer Mentored Airline Pilot Scheme and MPL course
BA CityFlyer, a wholly owned subsidiary of British Airways, is looking for high calibre, well-motivated individuals who are keen to be part of a team working for one of Europe’s most prestigious regional airlines.
This mentored scheme has been developed with our training partner, FTEJerez, to provide a source of quality pre-selected pilots to crew our Embraer aircraft. The top four candidates will be offered a position on the course to commence training at Jerez on 12th of October 2012.
You will undertake training under the Multi-crew Pilots License (MPL) route to the right-hand seat of our aircraft: and, as the final phase of this course, students will undergo a bonded Embraer Type Rating course paid for by the airline.
The prospects within the airline for pilot progression are excellent and the routes we fly are both challenging and rewarding.
To be eligible for this scheme you must have a minimum of 2 A-Level passes, Grade C or above (or equivalent), and have 5 GSCE passes including Maths, English and Physics at Grade C or above, as well as the right to live and work in the UK.
Glf
link from a Flight International E mail: https://blu151.mail.live.com/default...15ad73b0e&fv=1
Main text:
BA CityFlyer Mentored Airline Pilot Scheme and MPL course
BA CityFlyer, a wholly owned subsidiary of British Airways, is looking for high calibre, well-motivated individuals who are keen to be part of a team working for one of Europe’s most prestigious regional airlines.
This mentored scheme has been developed with our training partner, FTEJerez, to provide a source of quality pre-selected pilots to crew our Embraer aircraft. The top four candidates will be offered a position on the course to commence training at Jerez on 12th of October 2012.
You will undertake training under the Multi-crew Pilots License (MPL) route to the right-hand seat of our aircraft: and, as the final phase of this course, students will undergo a bonded Embraer Type Rating course paid for by the airline.
The prospects within the airline for pilot progression are excellent and the routes we fly are both challenging and rewarding.
To be eligible for this scheme you must have a minimum of 2 A-Level passes, Grade C or above (or equivalent), and have 5 GSCE passes including Maths, English and Physics at Grade C or above, as well as the right to live and work in the UK.
Glf
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Mr. R good move pls go visit the facility ask questions and ask for documents speak to students and instructors... 
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So you are telling me that my friends are lying to me? 2 of them are very honest with me. They are too nice to even lie if they wanted to! One of my friends just had ONE hour left to complete the flying. And u are telling me that alpha made the correct decision of closing down the flying school and sending them to Australia? That cost the student 4 months of wasted time! The student had to wait to get a visa! The learn how to fly the new a/c, then wait for the ASIC card to allow them to go solo! All of this took time. NO company would choose that. Even if the flight line was bad they would still let that student finish their last hour. All students only had some 10 hours left max. Which is not a lot.
So what you are saying is sadly true!
If you are lying then i think it is only fair for me to say this.
Mr R stay away from Alpha. I am stuck here, please do not join me
And Strato i cannot leave. Why? because my ground school exams are not recognized by any flying school outside Alpha. That means i lose another year and need to pay more money to do my ground school again. I have asked this to many flight schools.
So what you are saying is sadly true!
If you are lying then i think it is only fair for me to say this.
Mr R stay away from Alpha. I am stuck here, please do not join me
And Strato i cannot leave. Why? because my ground school exams are not recognized by any flying school outside Alpha. That means i lose another year and need to pay more money to do my ground school again. I have asked this to many flight schools.
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No RP i scored 90%+
Since i did MPL ground school no one will recognize it.
I jsut do not like how alpha is run. They say they are trying to improve but that to me seems like lies
Since i did MPL ground school no one will recognize it.
I jsut do not like how alpha is run. They say they are trying to improve but that to me seems like lies
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if you score 90%+ and soon you will be a successfully pilot with ABY in reality you have no issues with AAG.
There are people who are upset the way Emirates and British airways is run.. if you have a real issue raise the problem to the AAG management.
There are people who are upset the way Emirates and British airways is run.. if you have a real issue raise the problem to the AAG management.
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vfenext.. so the 2 largest airlines BA & LH also must be wrong to run the MPL programme.
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pls sir do your research before making random statements.
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pls sir do your research before making random statements.
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AAG are not offering any guarantee so just give it a wide berth and stay away. If LH and BA are offering an MPL then you might consider that route but certainly not from a half assed outfit offering a possibility of a job with a low cost carrier. Remember the same amount of money will get you a REAL license with a proper school which will be accepted worldwide. Unless of course you fancy a career at Disneyland working with Mickey Mouse
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rp please do not mention those MPL airlines in the same bracket as AAG MPL.
As u can see from the post GulfStream made the BA MPL is FREE for the students. So as a result they will only pick the best students. They will also go through procedures quickly and properly as after all it their money that is being spent.
And thanks Vfenext. I will apply to Disneyland! I hope to think that Disneyland in Florida will accept my MPL.
As u can see from the post GulfStream made the BA MPL is FREE for the students. So as a result they will only pick the best students. They will also go through procedures quickly and properly as after all it their money that is being spent.
And thanks Vfenext. I will apply to Disneyland! I hope to think that Disneyland in Florida will accept my MPL.
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Finance | British Airways Pilot Training | Future Pilot Programme | CTC Wings
once again get your facts right.. the course is NOT FREE...
Traditionally raising the money for flight training has proven to be one of the greatest hurdles to becoming an airline pilot. As a result many people have been prevented or deterred from applying.
To ensure an even playing field enabling all those with the talent to join BA’s future team, British Airways will where necessary provide a guarantee to enable a successful FPP applicant to secure a bank loan for the funds required. Each successful applicant will also be issued with a conditional offer of employment. This is a unique feature of the Future Pilot Programme making pilot training more accessible to a wider range of people.
not sure the fascination with Disney here ?
honestpilot.. you have no real issues and soon you will be a pilot ... so whats the issue here..
pls note the word is conditional offer of employment no airline in the world offers anything more than that.. if you perform well you get the job.
BA MPL is FREE
Traditionally raising the money for flight training has proven to be one of the greatest hurdles to becoming an airline pilot. As a result many people have been prevented or deterred from applying.
To ensure an even playing field enabling all those with the talent to join BA’s future team, British Airways will where necessary provide a guarantee to enable a successful FPP applicant to secure a bank loan for the funds required. Each successful applicant will also be issued with a conditional offer of employment. This is a unique feature of the Future Pilot Programme making pilot training more accessible to a wider range of people.
not sure the fascination with Disney here ?
honestpilot.. you have no real issues and soon you will be a pilot ... so whats the issue here..
pls note the word is conditional offer of employment no airline in the world offers anything more than that.. if you perform well you get the job.
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Strato
If what you say is true, that you are a mere sales man providing spare parts to AAG , and I say again "IF", because almost everything you have mentioned here is pure BS and your best rebuttal to the truth and what has and is still going on is
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Then all I can do is wish you all the best of success with your future endeavors with AAG. It is clear to everyone that you and AAG are made to work together as both you and AAG share the same level of professionalism when it comes to aviation.
But again "IF" what you said is true about yourself and your true intentions with AAG, then you should take a lot of what has been said here with a little caution. Maybe you should make sure that the contracts and agreements you have or will be signing with AAG for your services are well defined and you are protected. If you recall Risk's post not to long ago :
We wouldn't want you later on to be chanting bad things about AAG when things go sour your way, would be now. Of course not.
By now, if you haven't also, you should be asking yourself why Clark Av/AAg could never sustain a proper maintenance company also. You don't seriously think your the first are you. Are you sure you have all the details of what transpired with their previous maintenance contracts. Or like everything you have ever mentioned might have been what they wanted you to know. Again "IF " what you say is true. lol
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If so then you will know that more than once students would go to the flight line to fly, only to find out that their flights were cancelled because AAG hadn't paid for the fuel, That AAG's bills were running in the tens of thousands of US dollar's to companies providing the same services you claim that you will be doing also.
Instead of been so negative and trying to put the wool over peoples eyes, you should take what is said here and implement it to yourself and your future success.
But again, its a big "IF" because not much truth has ever come out of your posts. Where you come out saying that there is only one unemployed MPL cadet, no one knows. Again one can only think that its what AAG would want you to know, or that, that's what you want the aviation community to know. FYI there is more than one unemployed cadet still at Clark Av.
But even if it was just one, remember It only takes one to bring a mountain down. You have to ask yourself why AAG hasn't been able to get those cadets a job yet.
You have people like RPC 000 telling Honestpilot that he shouldn't be worried or hes class mates because soon he will be a first officer with ABY, while in fact there's MPL cadets with licence's in hand who are not employed. What has happened can and will happen again.
No one here will deny the fact that AAG would like to turn the page. But a simple re-branding is not enough. And treating the cadets who are still waiting with an "out of sight is out of mind" attitude is also not the way a company who states its a world class organisation should be run.
TARAS B is correct about everything so far, I for one,am and will always be grateful for Capt Garcia. If not for him I and many probably wouldn't be employed right now. What we had to endure to get to where we are I would never wish this on my worst enemy ( not even you Strato ), but to have to sit down with those who are still in the grasps of AAG over coffee, saddens my heart, listening to them loosing all their hopes and dreams.
I caution anyone and everyone when it comes to AAG, Including any company that will be doing business with them.
Call me stupid but has anyone else noticed that all the marketing posts and updates of what is going on in Clark Philippines ( the facebook pictures of the new sim ) is all been posted here in the Middle East forum and not in the South East Asian forum. It might be presumptuous for me to say, but could it be that AAG, Stato, RPC000, would prefer that the Clark Av forum be forgotten. Again "out of sight, is out of mind" correct. Wouldn't it make sense to post the updates their also...
Just my 5 cents on that matter.
If what you say is true, that you are a mere sales man providing spare parts to AAG , and I say again "IF", because almost everything you have mentioned here is pure BS and your best rebuttal to the truth and what has and is still going on is
The time is right TARAS B. Put up right now or shut up forever. You are full of s**t.
Then all I can do is wish you all the best of success with your future endeavors with AAG. It is clear to everyone that you and AAG are made to work together as both you and AAG share the same level of professionalism when it comes to aviation.
But again "IF" what you said is true about yourself and your true intentions with AAG, then you should take a lot of what has been said here with a little caution. Maybe you should make sure that the contracts and agreements you have or will be signing with AAG for your services are well defined and you are protected. If you recall Risk's post not to long ago :
All in all, if I were to advice you what to do, I would say whatever you do, ignore EVERY verbal promise and get EVERYTHING you can in writing on a contract with EVERY page signed by both parties. You will be surprised to know how situations change, businesses ADJUST, promises BREAK etc etc etc. Therefore, get it in a signed contract so you have something to take to court/authorities/etc if things didn’t go well. BY THE WAY THAT DOES NOT IMPLY THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO WORK HARD TO ACHIEVE WHAT YOU WANT!
By now, if you haven't also, you should be asking yourself why Clark Av/AAg could never sustain a proper maintenance company also. You don't seriously think your the first are you. Are you sure you have all the details of what transpired with their previous maintenance contracts. Or like everything you have ever mentioned might have been what they wanted you to know. Again "IF " what you say is true. lol
.If so then you will know that more than once students would go to the flight line to fly, only to find out that their flights were cancelled because AAG hadn't paid for the fuel, That AAG's bills were running in the tens of thousands of US dollar's to companies providing the same services you claim that you will be doing also.
Instead of been so negative and trying to put the wool over peoples eyes, you should take what is said here and implement it to yourself and your future success.
But again, its a big "IF" because not much truth has ever come out of your posts. Where you come out saying that there is only one unemployed MPL cadet, no one knows. Again one can only think that its what AAG would want you to know, or that, that's what you want the aviation community to know. FYI there is more than one unemployed cadet still at Clark Av.
But even if it was just one, remember It only takes one to bring a mountain down. You have to ask yourself why AAG hasn't been able to get those cadets a job yet.
You have people like RPC 000 telling Honestpilot that he shouldn't be worried or hes class mates because soon he will be a first officer with ABY, while in fact there's MPL cadets with licence's in hand who are not employed. What has happened can and will happen again.
No one here will deny the fact that AAG would like to turn the page. But a simple re-branding is not enough. And treating the cadets who are still waiting with an "out of sight is out of mind" attitude is also not the way a company who states its a world class organisation should be run.
TARAS B is correct about everything so far, I for one,am and will always be grateful for Capt Garcia. If not for him I and many probably wouldn't be employed right now. What we had to endure to get to where we are I would never wish this on my worst enemy ( not even you Strato ), but to have to sit down with those who are still in the grasps of AAG over coffee, saddens my heart, listening to them loosing all their hopes and dreams.
I caution anyone and everyone when it comes to AAG, Including any company that will be doing business with them.
Call me stupid but has anyone else noticed that all the marketing posts and updates of what is going on in Clark Philippines ( the facebook pictures of the new sim ) is all been posted here in the Middle East forum and not in the South East Asian forum. It might be presumptuous for me to say, but could it be that AAG, Stato, RPC000, would prefer that the Clark Av forum be forgotten. Again "out of sight, is out of mind" correct. Wouldn't it make sense to post the updates their also...
Just my 5 cents on that matter.
