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[slimy]

I agree, with flight deck this will be impossible to maintain as we start our duty at report time, even with dead heading. So as I understand it on two sectors starting after 22:00 we have 10:15 which is not even enough to go to MUC never mind FRA and back!
As soon as the ASRs come in with a mention of "micro sleep" or "fatigue" the GCAA will stop it.
Of course if we change all our departure times to 08:00 then it is just about possible but with delays, which we can build in of course, then ASRs again!

[Jetjock330]

We can operate to Peshawar and pax back, with a drink of course?

[Toubob]

Don't confuse duty with flight duty period. You can operate to a destination and have an FDP of say 14 hours. There is no limit to duty if you DH back. Duty is just working hours. A friend of mine had to operate Brisbane-SIN then DH back SIN-AUH last year when the 777 took over from the 330.

He asked RH about it who just giggled and said the above "Duty is not the same as FDP".

This is how our management plays guys, don't bend over for them. Do not go into discression, don't work on days off. It's the spineless types that let them no they can screw us.

[Jumbo Wambo]

Yup don't confuse FDP with Duty time. Only FDP has strict limits.

[sandpit]

I don't believe this one. Whilst the crew operating to Europe could legally position back on the same aircraft, the crew operating back would have to have at least minimum rest in Europe before the flight - so how would they save anything? I think this one is a furfy.

[theChosenOne]

Sandpit is right, it is a furfy. It comes back to a misunderstood explanation by SG of the new rostering system at a crew open house a few weeks back.

SG attempted to describe how 'sophisticated' the program was by using the DH crew duty as an example of how it optimises the duty times/limits. The analogy he used is that if at a cc can do a duty flight and then deadhead home, the system will do that. HOWEVER, this duty will NOT come into effect as they understand how it will effect the cc.

In anticipation of the arguments there have already been a few flights like this already - yes there were a couple of flights last month where cc dead-headed back, but they were VIP charters and they were ferried back with positioning crew.

[slimy]

I agree duty is not Flight duty and also agree you can deadhead back or anywhere without restrictions BUT how the crew get there to operate on the return sector!
If you report for a positioning flight to operate back then the FLIGHT DP starts at report. So it still stands, you can’t do this rotation to anywhere with a flight time of 6 hours or above...roughly!
Or if you think about it, if you only dead back then where do the crews come from to operate the return sector; they have to be in a hotel and therefore cancel the reason for dead heading at all!! The best or worse as I see it is FDP – min rest – FDP back.

Edit: sorry just saw Sandpit said the same...I think!

[slimy]

Oh! There is another DH anomaly as well! On the PEK/NGO route, by the time you come back you are acclimatised and therefore can operate back as 2 crew. Of course EY send a second FO and he/she has min rest in PEK and then becomes then, ironically, reason for having a third pilot as he/she is NOT acclimatised!! If he/she were not there then we could do it anyway!
Standing by to be corrected!

[astronaute]

And don t forget, you are not paid when DH ( neither flight pay or layover allowances )

[Slopwith]

FTLS

You have two crew for FRA.The outbound crew report as normal-they are only going to dead head back so there Max FDP is irrelevant. The second crew report one hour before as per minimum report time for a positioning flight and say this is at 12:05local (0805z) for the 0905z departure. Positioning does not count as a sector so their allowable FDP will be 14hours. Block time out is 6:45 for an ETA of 15:50z. This is already 7:45hrs of the 14hrs leaving 6:15. Block time back is 6:20 and the aircraft has not yet been turned around. DO not see how it will work. 6 hours block each way (12 hours total)with a one hour turnaround is about the limit.

[etihadceo]

I think Slimy said something like that already! Its not going to happen and if it does then we take our time and send in another Discretion report and also fly slower to get there on time as we all know the block time on the germany flight normally results in an early arrival!

[saviboy]

"Not a rumor: Resignation letters as of today for pilots going to EK are being rejected by the dream team."

ok. it s just a pathetic attempt at delaying the exodus that will happen anyways. those who want to leave will leave. they ll just have to go somewhere a bit further away.

[Hoggtart]

No not a rumour a hard fact.

[ex dog]

Loadmasters

Sorry , too change the subject but i have been offered a contract on the New A330-200F as a LOADMASTER but i am now wonderng is it worth it reading the horror stories about accom etc etc

[Jetjock330]

Also, end of service benefits for CC have been reduced from 35 days to as little as 20 days on the renewed contract. Of course, on the take it or leave basis.