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A Falcon 50 is what I call a three-holer. FAL50's #1 is piss poor, his #2 is full of s**t, and his #3 won't stop barkin'.
FAL50 learn to know what you are talking about before you start running your mouth !!!
FAL50 learn to know what you are talking about before you start running your mouth !!!
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Hey Uncle Buck,
I think you may have misunderstood me. I started out giving Arabian Jets the benefit of the doubt (fair enough). I got 6-8 PM's from current pilots elaborating on the situation. Remember, my interest was that I applied for a position in March, but took another.
Now it's clear, Arabian jets doesn't like to pay legit billings, and blames pilots for all mistakes to avoid blame. My conclusion from all the PMs is that Arabian Jets fires pilots when things go wrong to stay in the good grace of the aircraft owners.
Nope, it's clear, this is a place to go if you have only one choice. Plan on not getting paid for your last month on the job, and being blamed after you leave.
... Read Mutt's comments on the first page, from Aug 2010, it says a lot!!! (All hail Mutt)
Cheers,
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I think you may have misunderstood me. I started out giving Arabian Jets the benefit of the doubt (fair enough). I got 6-8 PM's from current pilots elaborating on the situation. Remember, my interest was that I applied for a position in March, but took another.
Now it's clear, Arabian jets doesn't like to pay legit billings, and blames pilots for all mistakes to avoid blame. My conclusion from all the PMs is that Arabian Jets fires pilots when things go wrong to stay in the good grace of the aircraft owners.
Nope, it's clear, this is a place to go if you have only one choice. Plan on not getting paid for your last month on the job, and being blamed after you leave.
... Read Mutt's comments on the first page, from Aug 2010, it says a lot!!! (All hail Mutt)
Cheers,
FR
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No misunderstanding
FrankR,
I doubt anyone on the planet was unclear regarding the obvious condescension of your comment #42. The suggestion for drug testing was a bit over the top, own it.
As for AJ, let's hope a great deal of time passes by before the aviation industry has to suffer through the likes of a similar outfit.
I doubt anyone on the planet was unclear regarding the obvious condescension of your comment #42. The suggestion for drug testing was a bit over the top, own it.
As for AJ, let's hope a great deal of time passes by before the aviation industry has to suffer through the likes of a similar outfit.
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Hey RockwellT, here is the excerpt of my post you mentioned:
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Oh, as a final comment, who the He$$ has EVER heard of an employment contract? If you worked for me, I'd have <that poster> drug tested regularly.
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Sure, I said it, I own it, and I stand by it. I wasn't defending Arabian Jets, I was making the point that "Employment contracts" in the Middle East, Africa, most of Asia, and much of the rest of the world are pure fiction. As pilots, we stand to get hosed by many employers. Arabian Jets isn't much at managing, but they seem to have the art of working over pilots down to an art!
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Oh, as a final comment, who the He$$ has EVER heard of an employment contract? If you worked for me, I'd have <that poster> drug tested regularly.
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Sure, I said it, I own it, and I stand by it. I wasn't defending Arabian Jets, I was making the point that "Employment contracts" in the Middle East, Africa, most of Asia, and much of the rest of the world are pure fiction. As pilots, we stand to get hosed by many employers. Arabian Jets isn't much at managing, but they seem to have the art of working over pilots down to an art!
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So FrankR your saying that a pilot that receives an employment contract by a ME company and that company doesn't honor the contract, the pilot should then be drug tested for being naive to the fact that ME companies never honor contracts?
Sorry i'm not buying it. I think everybody figured out you were trying to side with the chief pilot in hopes of gaining employment. I guess next time you should refrain from posting about subjects in which you have no knowledge.
The truth is we were naive. We expected AJ to treat us Westerners like we treated them and the owners. Maybe AJ can stand to learn a few things about integrity and respect from us lowly infidels.
Sorry i'm not buying it. I think everybody figured out you were trying to side with the chief pilot in hopes of gaining employment. I guess next time you should refrain from posting about subjects in which you have no knowledge.
The truth is we were naive. We expected AJ to treat us Westerners like we treated them and the owners. Maybe AJ can stand to learn a few things about integrity and respect from us lowly infidels.
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ARABIAN JETS - BEWARE
I agree with you Uncle Buck, we were naive. We did treat the aircraft owners with respect as well as the management at AJ. We gave it the good old American strong work ethic and loyalty. However, dealing with Saudis, we should have known better.
Lie, cheat, steal that appears to be the ARAB way of doing business. They treat every non-ARAB as a servent/slave. The only people they treat worse are their women.
These people are sick as are their business practices. Morals don't exist in the desert. AJ seems to have found a few pilots who have no morals, have no ethics. They will do well and will survive as they are no better than their empoyers. I just pray that the WD's don't hurt anyone. Enshallah!
Lie, cheat, steal that appears to be the ARAB way of doing business. They treat every non-ARAB as a servent/slave. The only people they treat worse are their women.
These people are sick as are their business practices. Morals don't exist in the desert. AJ seems to have found a few pilots who have no morals, have no ethics. They will do well and will survive as they are no better than their empoyers. I just pray that the WD's don't hurt anyone. Enshallah!
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This is sounding so much like another Prestige Jet, I cannot believe it. If you read those threads, same story, different place, different group of pilots, and the oddball who is probably in managenet, defending the operation.
And just like PJ, started out like gang busters, and then went south.
And just like PJ, started out like gang busters, and then went south.
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Fun Facts on Arabian Jets
Muntaser Al-Ghosson, the COO was hired by CEO Anas Rayes to further insulate himself from the heat of poor business practices.
COO Muntaser came from a defunct HAJ Airline called AL-Wafeer. He worked in the "Safety Department". He has no experience in the day to day operations of a Jet Management company like Arabian Jets. He can only speak of what he knows and throws out phrases like "Risk Management". He has nothing to offer in management of a flight department.
COO Muntaser told the Ex-Pat DO (name removed) that he would take care of the hiring of a Chief Pilot to fill the position for application of a Charter Certificate through the GACA. Muntaser hires Chief Pilot: Ahmed Mustafa Aljuhani. Ahmed came from the same defunct airline and same "Safety Department".
Both Muntaser and Ahmed are local Saudi Nationals.
Chief Pilot Ahmed has no charter experience and is not typed in anything that Arabian Jets operates yet will still be holding the position during the application process of a certificate if GACA permits it.
DO (name removed) questioned why the three Beechjet pilots had still not been paid and the COO told him that he did not care about pilots that no longer worked at Arabian Jets.
COO Muntaser called a meeting with four others about the Charter Certificate project and made it clear that he would not permit Arabian Jets to have a Drug Program. DO (name removed) pointed out that it would be a requirement for the certification process. COO Muntaser said that there will be no drug program.
DO (name removed) was terminated during his first leave in five months.
This gives you an idea of the integrity of Arabian Jets Management personnel.
COO Muntaser came from a defunct HAJ Airline called AL-Wafeer. He worked in the "Safety Department". He has no experience in the day to day operations of a Jet Management company like Arabian Jets. He can only speak of what he knows and throws out phrases like "Risk Management". He has nothing to offer in management of a flight department.
COO Muntaser told the Ex-Pat DO (name removed) that he would take care of the hiring of a Chief Pilot to fill the position for application of a Charter Certificate through the GACA. Muntaser hires Chief Pilot: Ahmed Mustafa Aljuhani. Ahmed came from the same defunct airline and same "Safety Department".
Both Muntaser and Ahmed are local Saudi Nationals.Chief Pilot Ahmed has no charter experience and is not typed in anything that Arabian Jets operates yet will still be holding the position during the application process of a certificate if GACA permits it.
DO (name removed) questioned why the three Beechjet pilots had still not been paid and the COO told him that he did not care about pilots that no longer worked at Arabian Jets.
COO Muntaser called a meeting with four others about the Charter Certificate project and made it clear that he would not permit Arabian Jets to have a Drug Program. DO (name removed) pointed out that it would be a requirement for the certification process. COO Muntaser said that there will be no drug program.
DO (name removed) was terminated during his first leave in five months.
This gives you an idea of the integrity of Arabian Jets Management personnel.
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More fun facts
The Riyadh Beechjet was flown to Jeddah for maintenance. The crew attempted to depart in another Beechjet that had sat on the ramp and in the hangar for the past couple years.
The nose tire on the hangar queen separated on takeoff roll. Crew was OK, plane received significant damage to underside of aircraft and both engines ingested chunks of tire.
The crew called dispatch to notify them. Kamal (the last remaining dispatcher after the two smart dispatchers recently quit) told the crew to get the other aircraft back out of maintenance and finish the trip.
No one of importance in the company was notified of the incident, GACA was not notified.
GACA has since contacted the company and has started training Arabian Jets on how aviation in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia really works.
All this after Hameed and Kamal almost burned a King Air to the ground by bypassing Procedures, Chief Pilot and DO a few months ago. After the brake fire of a new King Air was extinguished the crew called Dispatch (Kamal) to notify Arabian Jets of the incident and Kamal tells them to go back to the ramp and get another King Air and keep flying. GACA was on seen and got their report. The Chief Pilot and DO was never notified by anyone from within the company that; the new PIC was hired, dispatched to fly an Arabian Jets aircraft or that it had caught fire.
You cannot teach common sense.
The nose tire on the hangar queen separated on takeoff roll. Crew was OK, plane received significant damage to underside of aircraft and both engines ingested chunks of tire.
The crew called dispatch to notify them. Kamal (the last remaining dispatcher after the two smart dispatchers recently quit) told the crew to get the other aircraft back out of maintenance and finish the trip.
No one of importance in the company was notified of the incident, GACA was not notified.
GACA has since contacted the company and has started training Arabian Jets on how aviation in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia really works.
All this after Hameed and Kamal almost burned a King Air to the ground by bypassing Procedures, Chief Pilot and DO a few months ago. After the brake fire of a new King Air was extinguished the crew called Dispatch (Kamal) to notify Arabian Jets of the incident and Kamal tells them to go back to the ramp and get another King Air and keep flying. GACA was on seen and got their report. The Chief Pilot and DO was never notified by anyone from within the company that; the new PIC was hired, dispatched to fly an Arabian Jets aircraft or that it had caught fire.
You cannot teach common sense.
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Thanks for the update. I'm not sure common sense is really the issue. Kamal the dispatcher, clearly has no plan to follow any rules as must be his guidance.
He tried over and over to "order" me to fly to the UK when all airports were down or forecast to be down hours before arrival time. Kamal will try to get the crew to do anything.
A tried to force a former Hawker crew to fly an aircraft that was grounded because a mandatory service bulletin was not accomplished. These two pilots also wisely quit AJ before they could be fired.
Break the rules, lie, lie, lie that is the AJ way. Amazing when the Director of Maintenance forbids a captai from writing up any descrepanies with an aircraft. According to the DOM, only telephone calls were acceptable in reporting discrepancies.
Sorry to hear that aircraft are being damaged, just hope GACA shuts these folks down before someone gets hurt or killed.
He tried over and over to "order" me to fly to the UK when all airports were down or forecast to be down hours before arrival time. Kamal will try to get the crew to do anything.
A tried to force a former Hawker crew to fly an aircraft that was grounded because a mandatory service bulletin was not accomplished. These two pilots also wisely quit AJ before they could be fired.
Break the rules, lie, lie, lie that is the AJ way. Amazing when the Director of Maintenance forbids a captai from writing up any descrepanies with an aircraft. According to the DOM, only telephone calls were acceptable in reporting discrepancies.
Sorry to hear that aircraft are being damaged, just hope GACA shuts these folks down before someone gets hurt or killed.
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Mucking in
Speaking of " before someone gets hurt or killed ", what ever happened to the crosswind wizz kid. C'mon mates, you know the guys at KTEB 
are wanting a heads up.
are wanting a heads up.
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KTEB - Crosswind??? G550???? Could this be a former famous aviator from AJ? According to pilots still at AJ a former AJ pilot really "impressed" a G550 owner. He was so impressed by this fantastic aviator's landing ability at KTEB that the owner never allowed him to fly his G550 again - insha'Allah!
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New morons are needed to work for Arabian Jets. Heads must have rolled when the boys FOD both engines on the BeechJet.
This time there will not be any 2 on - 1 off schedule. New hires will have a one year mandatory tour in the Magical Kingdom.
This time there will not be any 2 on - 1 off schedule. New hires will have a one year mandatory tour in the Magical Kingdom.
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Good luck on getting paid.
The housing provided is not a compound. Abdulhameed and Talal promise in writing a "compound" to the new recruits. The Durrah Resort does not meet the Embassy definition of a compound. Security is almost non-existant except for the unarmed guards. The Durrah is where hte locals go to kick it muslim style. The crews in the Durrah Resort do not feel welcome and spend most of their time in the rooms. Western style bathing suits are not welcome for men or woman.
The housing provided is not a compound. Abdulhameed and Talal promise in writing a "compound" to the new recruits. The Durrah Resort does not meet the Embassy definition of a compound. Security is almost non-existant except for the unarmed guards. The Durrah is where hte locals go to kick it muslim style. The crews in the Durrah Resort do not feel welcome and spend most of their time in the rooms. Western style bathing suits are not welcome for men or woman.
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Arabian Jets Still Searching for Pilots
Arabian Jets HR staff; Abdulhameed and Talal are telling the ex-pat recruits that they will be staying at the fabulous "Durrah Beach Resort" compound in Jeddah. Do not be fooled, the Durrah Beach Resort does not meet the Embassy definition of a compound.
No armed guards.
No guns.
Locals pass through routinely.
The Durrah Beach Resort is for locals to kick it Muslim style. Woman sun bath near the pool in their abia's covered head to toe to avoid stoning. Woman can wear any color they want as long as it is Black. Swimming is not recommended because it also will be done in an abia. Crews do not feel welcome and stay in their rooms mostly.
The apartment doors are not secure even with the dead-bolts thrown. A hotel swipe key will still open it as learned by a German Crewmember that woke up to find a man standing over him in his bedroom at about 3 or 4am, the man turned his light on and then left in a hurry. The front desk at the Durrah was amused and did not care. Management staff at Arabian Jets also was not concerned.
Ex-pats have been attacked and killed at the Durrah in the past. Warnings are coming from the U.S. Embassy that things are heating up again.
The Durrah Beach Resort is also a 45 minute drive to the airport and over 1 hour drive to the office.
Other Ex-pats employed in Saudi Arabia are staying compounds.
No armed guards.
No guns.
Locals pass through routinely.
The Durrah Beach Resort is for locals to kick it Muslim style. Woman sun bath near the pool in their abia's covered head to toe to avoid stoning. Woman can wear any color they want as long as it is Black. Swimming is not recommended because it also will be done in an abia. Crews do not feel welcome and stay in their rooms mostly.
The apartment doors are not secure even with the dead-bolts thrown. A hotel swipe key will still open it as learned by a German Crewmember that woke up to find a man standing over him in his bedroom at about 3 or 4am, the man turned his light on and then left in a hurry. The front desk at the Durrah was amused and did not care. Management staff at Arabian Jets also was not concerned.
Ex-pats have been attacked and killed at the Durrah in the past. Warnings are coming from the U.S. Embassy that things are heating up again.
The Durrah Beach Resort is also a 45 minute drive to the airport and over 1 hour drive to the office.
Other Ex-pats employed in Saudi Arabia are staying compounds.
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Mutt,
Take it from those of us who have lived there. It is not safe, has no security. The Durrah is a rundown poor excuse for a resort. According to AJ Management we were told that the Durrah suffered a terrorist attack 7 to 8 years ago and people were murdered. I hear numbers of just under 10. Due to this attack, the place went to crap as people did not come back. I think the reason we found out any information from management was that the info was passed by a pilot not any of the PNGs.
According to AJ management, the owner of their GIV was heavily involved in the development and AJ gets a ridiculous cheap price, since the apartments would otherwise sit vacant.
Some how the Prince who is supposed to be the main money behind AJ is also connected to the Durrah. I ran into a young Prince at the Durrah who said Prince Turki Ben Nasser was his Uncle. By the way this young Prince and his following looked like a rag tag bunch of terroists themselves.
Way too many strange things going on with AJ. We had a Flight Attendant who worked at AJ Management who found that a woman was raped at the Durrah (this year 2011) by a Saudi Prince but this was covered up according to her. This FA made a strong effort to get the crews moved out of this place due to the potential danger. For her effort she was fired! This lady was from the Middle East, spoke the language, knew the culture and had been the personal Flight Attendant of Prince Turki according to her and one of the pilots in management. She warned the crews over and over that we needed to get out of this place, but as I mentioned earlier, her attempts to get us moved seemed to get her fired.
Do you really find is strange you have not heard of any problems at the Durrah? A governemnt that takes swift and brutal action to put down any unrest in the country. GAG!
Take it from those of us who have lived there. It is not safe, has no security. The Durrah is a rundown poor excuse for a resort. According to AJ Management we were told that the Durrah suffered a terrorist attack 7 to 8 years ago and people were murdered. I hear numbers of just under 10. Due to this attack, the place went to crap as people did not come back. I think the reason we found out any information from management was that the info was passed by a pilot not any of the PNGs.
According to AJ management, the owner of their GIV was heavily involved in the development and AJ gets a ridiculous cheap price, since the apartments would otherwise sit vacant.
Some how the Prince who is supposed to be the main money behind AJ is also connected to the Durrah. I ran into a young Prince at the Durrah who said Prince Turki Ben Nasser was his Uncle. By the way this young Prince and his following looked like a rag tag bunch of terroists themselves.
Way too many strange things going on with AJ. We had a Flight Attendant who worked at AJ Management who found that a woman was raped at the Durrah (this year 2011) by a Saudi Prince but this was covered up according to her. This FA made a strong effort to get the crews moved out of this place due to the potential danger. For her effort she was fired! This lady was from the Middle East, spoke the language, knew the culture and had been the personal Flight Attendant of Prince Turki according to her and one of the pilots in management. She warned the crews over and over that we needed to get out of this place, but as I mentioned earlier, her attempts to get us moved seemed to get her fired.
Do you really find is strange you have not heard of any problems at the Durrah? A governemnt that takes swift and brutal action to put down any unrest in the country. GAG!