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I think you will find the the pay table was not a annual pay increase it was a table that you would move only when the management deemed it so IE not a given that you would move up every year. The letter always con grated you for your service and rewarded you with a more up wards
"Fraid not Fatbus. It was included in a briefing sheet which speciiically stated that it formed a contract when attached to a letter of offer.
And my copy covered Falcon 20, B727, and A310/300 with increments over 10 years.
And my copy covered Falcon 20, B727, and A310/300 with increments over 10 years.
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Perhaps it was my interpretation of your term 'new entries'. By that, I assumed that they had already joined us and were not still at the interview stage.
I can't speak for recruitment failure rates but for the trainees that actually pass the selection stage, the failure rate is around 3%. Good enough boofta?
Perhaps it was my interpretation of your term 'new entries'. By that, I assumed that they had already joined us and were not still at the interview stage.
I can't speak for recruitment failure rates but for the trainees that actually pass the selection stage, the failure rate is around 3%. Good enough boofta?
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Give credit to the recruitment guys for trying to maintain some sort of standard. Not sure of the date Jan or Feb, 1 no show 15 interviewed 1 passed( sim), plus increase number of guys turning down the offer and going down the road because of upgrade policy
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BYMONEK I realized that is what you meant. About the trainees once they have passed the interview. Tha failure rate is very low. As DROPP said, a testament to our recruiting team who are under a tremendous amount of pressure.
And in that team I include as front line the TRE's involved. They are doing an excellent job.
No problemo amigo
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And in that team I include as front line the TRE's involved. They are doing an excellent job.
No problemo amigo
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bullying here but in this day and age surely an online association
This sadly is a KEY point to life in the gulf.
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Sorry to hear about the crap pay anyone want to come to OZ to fly a private A330 for a private billionaire? The pay is about triple EK's pay and all flights even 3-4 hour flights are manned with 3 pilots. Msg me for details.
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If the Engineers didn't deliver a serviceable aircraft you wouldn't go anywhere, if the guy didn't pump the gas you wouldn't go anywhere, if the loaders didn't didn't put the freight on board you wouldn't go anywhere, if the guy in finance didn't renew the aircraft insurance you wouldn't go anywhere, etc. etc. etc. - but you get my drift.
Not forgetting the the most important job in the airline, done by the young Indian girl on about 900 Dhs a month - if she didn't push the right button for the pay to go in the bank each month you wouldn't even be getting out of bed.
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I beg to differ, my contract circa 2000 says:
"Your basic starting salary will be DHS 16,040 per month. Salary scales are reviewed annually on 1st May. Based on Individual Performance, increase within the scale may be awarded."
Now EK are saying 'may' does not relate to the first sentence about individual performance. I am not sure that would work in a court of law.
"Your basic starting salary will be DHS 16,040 per month. Salary scales are reviewed annually on 1st May. Based on Individual Performance, increase within the scale may be awarded."
Now EK are saying 'may' does not relate to the first sentence about individual performance. I am not sure that would work in a court of law.
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Pilots are better than groundstaff stuff ??... it really is much simpler than that. Its an airline. Airlines fly planes and therefore you need pilots. No pilots= no planes= no ground jobs= no airline
Simple but wrong - it is a team effort.
If the Engineers didn't deliver a serviceable aircraft you wouldn't go anywhere, if the guy didn't pump the gas you wouldn't go anywhere, if the loaders didn't didn't put the freight on board you wouldn't go anywhere, if the guy in finance didn't renew the aircraft insurance you wouldn't go anywhere, etc. etc. etc. - but you get my drift.
Not forgetting the the most important job in the airline, done by the young Indian girl on about 900 Dhs a month - if she didn't push the right button for the pay to go in the bank each month you wouldn't even be getting out of bed.
agreed its a team effort... we need each and everyone to ensure a profitable and efficient airline. but i remember the old days, we used to do our own loading and manual loadsheet calculations, we can sign the techlog at outstation if no major defects, we can fill up the tank provided they have the ladder for us to reach the fuel inlet. what i am trying to say is, we, the pilots are the 'heart' of any airline. we are trained to ensure airline is moving forward, passengers reach their destinations in 1 piece. thats why our salaries are higher than that of the groundstaff. and those SVP's, VP's are earning higher than us, coz they suppose to be the 'brain' of an airline, managing and to ensure the airline moving at the right path.
But most of the time, these SVPs and VPs brains are somehow at the wrong part of the body....
Originally Posted by GNL
Pilots are better than groundstaff stuff ??... it really is much simpler than that. Its an airline. Airlines fly planes and therefore you need pilots. No pilots= no planes= no ground jobs= no airline
Simple but wrong - it is a team effort.
If the Engineers didn't deliver a serviceable aircraft you wouldn't go anywhere, if the guy didn't pump the gas you wouldn't go anywhere, if the loaders didn't didn't put the freight on board you wouldn't go anywhere, if the guy in finance didn't renew the aircraft insurance you wouldn't go anywhere, etc. etc. etc. - but you get my drift.
Not forgetting the the most important job in the airline, done by the young Indian girl on about 900 Dhs a month - if she didn't push the right button for the pay to go in the bank each month you wouldn't even be getting out of bed.
agreed its a team effort... we need each and everyone to ensure a profitable and efficient airline. but i remember the old days, we used to do our own loading and manual loadsheet calculations, we can sign the techlog at outstation if no major defects, we can fill up the tank provided they have the ladder for us to reach the fuel inlet. what i am trying to say is, we, the pilots are the 'heart' of any airline. we are trained to ensure airline is moving forward, passengers reach their destinations in 1 piece. thats why our salaries are higher than that of the groundstaff. and those SVP's, VP's are earning higher than us, coz they suppose to be the 'brain' of an airline, managing and to ensure the airline moving at the right path.
But most of the time, these SVPs and VPs brains are somehow at the wrong part of the body....
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It is very simple
If a pilot screws up in the sim you can learn something from it. In the worst case you get a second chance with another TRE.
If you or a third party screws up, reality is such that you are in BIG trouble. Even small issues can become very annoying.
In other words you really bare the consequences for your actions.
The best thing you can do is to work for an airline that has a management that has the ability to reflect on this difference with their own responsibilities and consequences.
Moaning about a bonus in an airline that has a proven record of being unable to deal with the HR factor is unrealistic.
Having said so, if EK would make an in depth analysis of the moaning pilots they would discover that there is a problem within the recruitment of their pilots as well as with their managers. Too many egocentric Brits and Aussies.
Maybe EK functions as a magnet. In other words it looks like the aforementioned individuals select each other.
If you or a third party screws up, reality is such that you are in BIG trouble. Even small issues can become very annoying.
In other words you really bare the consequences for your actions.
The best thing you can do is to work for an airline that has a management that has the ability to reflect on this difference with their own responsibilities and consequences.
Moaning about a bonus in an airline that has a proven record of being unable to deal with the HR factor is unrealistic.
Having said so, if EK would make an in depth analysis of the moaning pilots they would discover that there is a problem within the recruitment of their pilots as well as with their managers. Too many egocentric Brits and Aussies.
Maybe EK functions as a magnet. In other words it looks like the aforementioned individuals select each other.
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Haha...Classic!
Why do you think so many people do NOT want to join the likes of EK and CX?? I would not want to be near any of the so called expat airlines being managed as if the British Commonwealth still bears any value...
Why do you think so many people do NOT want to join the likes of EK and CX?? I would not want to be near any of the so called expat airlines being managed as if the British Commonwealth still bears any value...
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Qatari515
Please enlighten me. Is Qatar a workers paradise? Heard 'the little man with the twisted and tormented soul' who runs the show over there is a real people person? NOT.
