Pay raise is on the portal now
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I think that most of the guys from the US are good blokes, its worth remembering that most of them are here because it was there best option at the time, while alot of the other nationalities where here because they wanted or needed an ex pat lifestlye. Personally I think this is a time we should be united and not bitching about nationalities.
The pay rise is a fu@king insult. I normally keep my mouth shut and only read this forum but enough is enough.
The pay rise is a fu@king insult. I normally keep my mouth shut and only read this forum but enough is enough.
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By applying the 6% to EACH step (this is unprecedented at EK) instead of as a pay increase to the base, the gap between each step and the next one is now greater by 3% and the corresponding amount.
The gulf widens, eh? Your hungry FO with three kids and a high-maintenance, Jumeirah Jane wife will really enjoy that.
What a great CRM tactic.
By increasing the overtime rate and callout pay, they pay nothing whilst appearing to give us an increase.
"Smoke And Mirrors" That should EK's motto...
Adjusting the salary by 6% is a shallow attempt to make you think they've given back the 3% they "promised" but did not deliver last year - plus this year's 3%. They'll mention that in propaganda in a few years from now - to the new-joiners who fail to recognise lies and bull**** when they hear it.
Maybe you should increase your performance then, pen-pusher! 
If you're envious of pilots, go get yourself an ATPL and seven or eight thousand hours and come back for "the good life" and moan on a pilots' website.
Enjoy your weekend while the special cases are off flying.
The gulf widens, eh? Your hungry FO with three kids and a high-maintenance, Jumeirah Jane wife will really enjoy that.
What a great CRM tactic.
By increasing the overtime rate and callout pay, they pay nothing whilst appearing to give us an increase.
"Smoke And Mirrors" That should EK's motto...
Adjusting the salary by 6% is a shallow attempt to make you think they've given back the 3% they "promised" but did not deliver last year - plus this year's 3%. They'll mention that in propaganda in a few years from now - to the new-joiners who fail to recognise lies and bull**** when they hear it.
Originally Posted by bvcu
Welcome to the real world , the whole company has been on performance related pay , i.e no increments as per contract since 1995 ish . Dont see why pilots were made a special case.
If you're envious of pilots, go get yourself an ATPL and seven or eight thousand hours and come back for "the good life" and moan on a pilots' website. Enjoy your weekend while the special cases are off flying.
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Sandhound,
My point is that the US market is gradually recovering and I have read that a number of "desirable" US airlines are announcing hiring efforts now and in the fall - Delta (world's current largest airline until UAL/CAL consummated), JetBlue and AirTran have announced hiring. This means American pilots looking to return to the States may act on it if given the opportunity. Former CRJ pilots who now have 777 experience with EK may be in a better position to land a job in the States.
EK should expect more Americans leaving if the poor conditions continue. That said, EK managers probably won't care with the huge number of Indian 737/A320 pilots who would kill for an EK job.
My point is that the US market is gradually recovering and I have read that a number of "desirable" US airlines are announcing hiring efforts now and in the fall - Delta (world's current largest airline until UAL/CAL consummated), JetBlue and AirTran have announced hiring. This means American pilots looking to return to the States may act on it if given the opportunity. Former CRJ pilots who now have 777 experience with EK may be in a better position to land a job in the States.
EK should expect more Americans leaving if the poor conditions continue. That said, EK managers probably won't care with the huge number of Indian 737/A320 pilots who would kill for an EK job.
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Delta to Hire
The following from an American Pilot Forum ;-
Roughly 240 pilots.
New network plan for 2011 is driving a significant increase in pilot block hours for the Summer of 2011 and onward.
Internal document indicates hiring to begin in the fall.
Roughly 240 pilots.
New network plan for 2011 is driving a significant increase in pilot block hours for the Summer of 2011 and onward.
Internal document indicates hiring to begin in the fall.
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The following from an American Pilot Forum
That would indeed be good news.
As everyone else complaining about the payrise? I don't see it. We have heard how there were waves of guys resigning, but the seniority list does not support this. Sorry.
Don't get me wrong, I do think the 6% rise is an insult to us. But I don't think it's enough of an insult for people to actually resign (and not just say they would).
I do think however, that we are no longer attracting the kind of pilots we should be attracting.
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Well it's all been said but really can't sit and say nothing.
6%, it's a total disgrace, how Stealey has the guts to put his sh1tty name by it I'll never know.
It's not even close to being a pay rise, simple as that.
6%, it's a total disgrace, how Stealey has the guts to put his sh1tty name by it I'll never know.
It's not even close to being a pay rise, simple as that.
bit touchy aren't we , good team player by the sounds of things !!! Any way instead of the ABUSE why not comment on the facts why should one small group of people have kept their increments ??? My gripe is with a 'contract' we all had that said increments and dropped it for the majority . Especially when the rest of us are not legally protested with duty time limits like you guys , dont get me wrong i know the problems but its still relative . If it wasnt for the legal stuff EK would be operating with an FO and 2 cabin crew to operate , which is effectively what the rest of the staff are doing !!!
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Gents,
There is another way to look at this. It will now be 2 extra years before you hit the top end of the the payscale. 2 years less of no 3% increment..just a thought..............
There is another way to look at this. It will now be 2 extra years before you hit the top end of the the payscale. 2 years less of no 3% increment..just a thought..............
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Sandhound -targeting a particular nationality for criticism - is totally unprofessional.
The last thing we need is a group with 100+ nationalities getting into a mudslinging match with each other.
TCAS is English - so by your logic.....
Grow up,
f.
The last thing we need is a group with 100+ nationalities getting into a mudslinging match with each other.
TCAS is English - so by your logic.....
Grow up,
f.
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First Officer starting at Etihad:
Starting salary of AED 25480 or USD 6925 per month for First officers and an annual salary increment of AED 500 per month.
First Officer starting at EK: AED 22720
So why would one choose EK over Etihad? They start at more than an EK F/O in 3rd year!!!
Starting salary of AED 25480 or USD 6925 per month for First officers and an annual salary increment of AED 500 per month.
First Officer starting at EK: AED 22720
So why would one choose EK over Etihad? They start at more than an EK F/O in 3rd year!!!
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If you add up the difference the company puts in the Provident Fund, it becomes pretty much the same.
Plus I would not even compare the level of accommodation provided by the 2 employers..
Plus I would not even compare the level of accommodation provided by the 2 employers..
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Smoke and Mirrors, once again.
Absolutely outrageous that we remain at the same step. And the reason given as well is equally as outrageous.
600 hours productivity pay?? For those of us who are prepared to work hard enough for it???? Give me a break!!!!! ALL THE PILOTS ARE WORKING HARD ENOUGH!!!!! It is as if 90 plus hours is now the norm? INDUSTRY NORM FOR PRODUCTIVITY IS AROUND THE 75 HOUR MARK EMIRATES MANAGEMENT. YOU JUST TOOK IT UP TO 90 PLUS HOURS VERY RECENTLY.
God help us with this lot!!!
Absolutely outrageous that we remain at the same step. And the reason given as well is equally as outrageous.
600 hours productivity pay?? For those of us who are prepared to work hard enough for it???? Give me a break!!!!! ALL THE PILOTS ARE WORKING HARD ENOUGH!!!!! It is as if 90 plus hours is now the norm? INDUSTRY NORM FOR PRODUCTIVITY IS AROUND THE 75 HOUR MARK EMIRATES MANAGEMENT. YOU JUST TOOK IT UP TO 90 PLUS HOURS VERY RECENTLY.
God help us with this lot!!!
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Pilots are the most important people in any airline. We can do your job and the job of about any SVP in this airline but you guys can't do ours. Just remember NO PILOTS - NO EK !!
Why is it, that pilots tend to think they could do any aviation related job better than the ones doing it (eg ATC...)?
Back to topic... the pay review is just pathetic
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The entry requirements HAVE been dropped already. How much lower would you like them to go??
Quality... what quality?
Safety... Is that anything more than a cuss for them?
We need so many pilots, so let's see how low we have to set the hurdles to get them.
Been like that before and will happen again.