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Turkish Airlines - THY Recruitment (Merged)

Old 23rd May 2016, 15:07
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Just to help make informed decisions. The main problem is that THY fails to acknowledge their operation are not normal under many aspects and expat don't have the same ( dangerous) pride driving locals. This just the last of a long serie of threats, diversions..
Turkish Airlines plane in Istanbul searched after bomb threat - CRIME
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Old 23rd May 2016, 16:45
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Bob 777,

With due respect if you were reading my posts,you would have noticed that when asked if one should join THY,my answer was NO.
I have been answering continuous hatred and idiotic speaches here mostly,rather to let people know that Turks are the kindest I have met over the years and THY crews are quite respectful between each other.Again,it would come from how they are in general.
Then you have those white supremacists ex fo pre madonnas posting here,for whom I have read continuous repetitive slander and to which i reply.
Concerning flase statements you are the kings!!continuous high 90/110 all year round,pure bullshit..is it not??
So enjoy your 777 bunker,2000TL allowance and moaning.
If you tell me,crews are flying 1000/year..then answer would be most of them do.
Some fly less..some more....P4 fly a lot now since many upgraded so capts fly less.
Italian,if you PM me your private email,i will fwd you a 737 capt schedule,not to say its mine.
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Old 23rd May 2016, 16:48
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defacto...your math is logic, but logics disappear in Istanbul. I wouldn't believe the stories until was there.
You cant be for real.
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Old 23rd May 2016, 16:50
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No slander no racism just facts. Just hanged the phone on a 737 Cpt friend of mine..you know to check your statement...97 hours three Africa flights..14 layovers 8 days off two home stby which is like to say..two surprise flights..most probably domestic 4 sectors to end with 102

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Old 24th May 2016, 19:10
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Question

Guys ,
all in all, what is the current/recent Type upgrade status from narrow body to wide body?
Specially for expat FOs
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Old 25th May 2016, 08:45
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Only local lowtimers.
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Old 26th May 2016, 05:35
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What strikes is the delusion of these people. Politics give a very good clue of what is going on with the rest of the country including aviation. They have pissed off all neighboring countries and are surrounded by problems that are only the result of their unreachable arrogance. Yes my friend you have other option ..become a Saudi province or Qatari sub sultanate..you already are but please stop calling your airline the Best European...ok? Thank you.


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Old 27th May 2016, 14:53
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If I may...dear friend Jasta..I think you are making an evaluation error. It is evident that Turkey could be part of Europe and THY a very good company if they were both managed in a different way but as we all know in general people get the government and management they deserve.For instance you could start to take criticism, stop complaining about rosters and do something about it. I don't see why Stexup post disturbs you so much. In effect by calling THY best European airline it's a marketing lie ( food is excellent nothing to say) to passengers cause nothing in THY is at EU standards starting from CRM ( FO are worthless and big macho captain fly single pilot ..) training ( see worthless FOs) attitude and flight time limitations. Fact is that this still is the ME forum. The number of accidents incidents should have tought to you something by now..but you still think it is someone else fault and/or this just a racist conspiratotion to diminish Turkey. Same is true for EU accession. Rules are written..you abide fine you don't ..join the GCC. I think he is actually just trying to help and cannot see anything to do with racism..Israel ..or Poland ??Accusing of racism is the most common reaction here but you should really think how you treated " yabancies " before accusing others. Beside you can be an asshole regardless of etnicity and religion...and believe me.. if you'll get any improvement it will be thanks to yabancies ( or the increasing lack of thereof ) and the EU.

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Old 28th May 2016, 05:57
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Hello Gentlemen,

I hope all is well . I have been following the thread for a while now .
I was hoping to get some feedback specifically on the 777 fleet . Routes , how many flights a month , how many consecutive days off . If someone would could tell me that would be great .
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Old 29th May 2016, 19:58
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Grrr

Guys,
Dont youu think that the discussion is going off-route??!
Its supposed to be sharing useful information about screening, working conditions, contract T&C , rosters, Training and etc...

Anyway does anybody know the TRTOs that THY will send NTR to, for type training? Also any idea about the fees and costs ?
Thanks in advance..(u may pm me if you like)
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Old 30th May 2016, 05:19
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What the hell are you talking about? You think these are not useful information? Well...I give you one more then. If there were no idiots paying for type rating, line training, upgrades may be this could still be a decent job. Let's also say that seen the current conditions anyone joining on any fleet but 777 left seat is an idiot and even on that seat you'll have to deal with a lot bullshit..trust me...better you pay someone else...
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Old 30th May 2016, 14:44
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A bit OT, but, how come is the Italians that are so vocal against Turkish airline and Turkey in general?
Is it maybe because aviation (and politics and the economy) at home is so great that they feel they can judge harshly another country?

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Old 30th May 2016, 16:48
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It's the same 6-7 guys in here (some are probably the same person) that keeps on moaning despite the fact that there are plenty of jobs at home but they choose to stay. Either due to the fact that they are rejected everywhere else or due to the low costs of living and the almost taxfree salary of 12k euro per month, and the 2 hours business class trip home. Going to Africa once every other month stinks but so do the Irish, far East and the Sandpit.

The market has started to pick up and alot of pilots are unhappy due to the slow rate of improvements in T&Cs.

Some start their posting here saying that they only have "friends" working in the various troublesome companies, after a couple of debates, it turns out that they are actually working there.

Everyone is moaning about massive problems with low moral, massive attrition rates and the likes everywhere but when you look at the facts... airlines like EK, TK etc appears to be employing almost 4 new pilots per resigning pilot. I suspect that this moaning is to keep the attrition up, recruitment low so that they can enjoy the increased T&C themselves, which makes sense if you consider yourself underpaid or overworked.

Don't get me wrong, TK is a big mess in many aspects but talk to people working there before making a decision after getting the big picture. The guys on here moaning aren't philantropists guarding your quality of life, they just want better T&Cs for themselves. Alot of what is said here however is true. Alot isn't.
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Old 31st May 2016, 10:40
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30N30whatever.
The basic is roughly :25000 TL+3000TL(layovers,sunday and other small extras),83 hrs average/month/year is about 13 hrs overtime/month(around 3000Tl) and bonus about 3000 tl/month.
That is 34000 TL /month(10300 eur)
If you add the longhaul 700 eur housing allowance:11000 eur/month.

FACT
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Old 31st May 2016, 14:30
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De Facto factoring in overtime is not really honest
isn't it. Your figures are inflated and again you are talking about WB captains as WB FOs gets nothing like thr rest of NB captains and first officer and this is something inconceivable. Flydive talk with any 320/737 foreign pilot and regardless you will see that the complaint are vastly transnational.

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Old 31st May 2016, 17:39
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stexup,
you are a funny guy,on one side you guys say capt fly high 90s non stop..and on the other side,well flying 1000/year is inflated...
I leave you to it...enjoy your miserable lives and traumatic mental
disorders.
30N...you are roughly wrong unfortunately,but hey who knew...you left the ship.
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Old 31st May 2016, 17:55
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I'm rather confused, initially, according to the people here having "only friends working there" everyone is busting their hiney off producing 110 hours a month in Africa just to later be told that counting on 83 hours a month is too optimistic and not fair...

How's it gonna be gentlemen?
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Old 1st Jun 2016, 10:30
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Alright guys, let just cut the crap here. Lets talk facts and let everything else fall into place. All people are different. But pay is not hard to figure out and I am trying to evaluate what the facts are in regards to pay and days off. Please help me out here.
777 captain pay is roughly...... a month
Days off are roughly ......a month
Days off in a row are roughly ....
Common destinations on the 777 are .......

If someone could provide that information to a fellow aviator who is trying to access his
options it would be greatly appreciated. If any of you want hard facts on a certain middle eastern airline am happy to provide them.
Thanks
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Old 2nd Jun 2016, 02:44
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Hello, I've got some numbers from some friendly Turkish pilots.

They say for wide body, roster is 8 days is a row +1 day for travel.

There is an allowance during training about 2000 USD per month, and housing provided for the first 45 days (not sure yet about deductions for Non type rated, I will like to know about that please)

A320 drivers flies about 70 hrs. a month. 3 to 4 layovers and 10 days off.

737s around 80 hrs. and 8 days off a month but from 10 to 15 nights away, some are night’s turnarounds to Africa and others are layovers.

Salary is about 6000 $ after training for narrow body.

If anybody could please confirm this numbers, deductions/bond for non type-rated and advise to move there with family.

Thank you.
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Old 2nd Jun 2016, 05:03
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737 CPT 90/110 hours 8 days off max basic 6400 euro lot of night flying. Syrian border flights/ PKK hot area flight/ Africa/few EU flights/ CIS/ ME multiple layovers no benefits
737 FO 60/75 hours 8 days off basic 4400 no benefits
A320 CPT 90/110 8 days off night flying / Mogadisciu/ North Africa / EU flight / Iraq/ domestic Syrian border PKK
A320 FO see 737
A330,CPT 7300 Euro basic 700 ,allowance or hotel accommodation 85/90,hours. block off days mixed flying EU/ ME /Africa/Asia/North America/ Subcontinent
A330 FO pay scale same as 737/320 FOs
B777 CPT 80/95 hrs rest same as 330. Asia/ North&South America some EU / domestic/ Subcontinent/
B777 FOs see 330

General issues: poor CRM starting from higher floors, non existent positive company culture, in general not an expat airline ,poor general English, too much influence of local culture politics, excessive pride, excessive importance of seniority, poor retrograde management style , segregation of expat from locals, no leave first year/ 20 days after up to 5 , general security, multiple bomb threats ( weekly if not daily) geopolitical issues. FO fly economy only.

Additional Issues narrow body : Planning/ roster/ days off/ extreme fatigue no time for social life , hobbies, commuting virtually impossible.

Additional Issues wide body: Same but slightly better rosters ( not so much on 330 ) English and proficiency of newly appointed local captains from 737. With minimal long haul experience they will be senior to you even if you have ten times their experience on type

People are generally courteous and respectful but it's mostly a formal attitude. It is very difficulty to befriend locals, religious and cultural barrier are still perceptible criticism is taken immediately as an offense as they have a very high opinion of them self ,Turkey and Turkish airlines ( the best) and tend not to be objective. There is a rough 30% of exceptions to all of this made of younger generation more wide angled view individuals. Still In general locals look at expat with contempt and not as on the same level , if not as a threat. Bringing family to Istanbul is simply impossible due to language barrier, school fees and security. Housing from 800/1600 euro per month, inflation 11% expect rises. Attrition very high few candidates showing up recently or so I'm been told.

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