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A bit doom and gloom there aren't' you, furb?
I believe the government… whoever it is, will not let THY, the national flag carrier be diminished significantly as air commerce is pretty crucial to any economy in the world and they are well aware of that.
I will repeat: When a jet doesn't fly due to no crew, that's when things will change.
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I believe the government… whoever it is, will not let THY, the national flag carrier be diminished significantly as air commerce is pretty crucial to any economy in the world and they are well aware of that.
I will repeat: When a jet doesn't fly due to no crew, that's when things will change.
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I guess we'll just agree to disagree then. You won't convince me though. By the fact I've been here at EK for 8 years now I stopped judging by western standards long long ago.
To say there is "no management" is rather ignorant. Wouldn't you think it would be just the opposite, they would be probably working extra hard to make sure they keep things going. You have to admit, other than the Lira, THY has done a pretty darn good job overall. I've been in the biz for probably longer than you've been alive and have seen economies ebb and flow along with political consternation and even bankruptcies, yet things continue to chug along no matter what. I think you'd be surprised at how resilient airlines can be even after years of upheaval and turmoil.
And Thank goodness it's not like Dubai…. that's why so many of us are leaving there (EK) to come to TK!
Have a good one furb.
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To say there is "no management" is rather ignorant. Wouldn't you think it would be just the opposite, they would be probably working extra hard to make sure they keep things going. You have to admit, other than the Lira, THY has done a pretty darn good job overall. I've been in the biz for probably longer than you've been alive and have seen economies ebb and flow along with political consternation and even bankruptcies, yet things continue to chug along no matter what. I think you'd be surprised at how resilient airlines can be even after years of upheaval and turmoil.
And Thank goodness it's not like Dubai…. that's why so many of us are leaving there (EK) to come to TK!
Have a good one furb.
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Who ever left a permanent job to join THY needs a brain transplant.
You will be just a Pilot Available for Disembarkation,a temporary fix to a lack of local crew till it suit them, and ,behind the facade, treated accordingly. In their paranoid view of the world you are just a yabanci taking a Turck's job The CEO had even to apologize to local cadets for hiring you.
Regardless on narrow body life is hell with no real rest..imagine commuting possible.
On long haul getting worst by the day I'm been told.
The professional standards are low, salary are now the worst among major airlines. Every day happier and happier I walked at the right time.
An option only for the desperate and the retired not willing to go to far from EU to play a bit longer.
You will be just a Pilot Available for Disembarkation,a temporary fix to a lack of local crew till it suit them, and ,behind the facade, treated accordingly. In their paranoid view of the world you are just a yabanci taking a Turck's job The CEO had even to apologize to local cadets for hiring you.
Regardless on narrow body life is hell with no real rest..imagine commuting possible.
On long haul getting worst by the day I'm been told.
The professional standards are low, salary are now the worst among major airlines. Every day happier and happier I walked at the right time.
An option only for the desperate and the retired not willing to go to far from EU to play a bit longer.
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I think a lot of people are leaving soon. Even the Long Haul guys. Nothing will be fixed before the end of the year, which will be too late for the majority.
Sentiment among the expats is the worst I've seen here in 5 years.
Sentiment among the expats is the worst I've seen here in 5 years.
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Nowhere to go. They have hired almost four times the amount of people who have left.
Vote with your feet or try to be positive, for the sake of your own mental health.
Vote with your feet or try to be positive, for the sake of your own mental health.
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If there are plenty of other operators making the hop worth it, then the salary issue should be very easy to solve if a pair in the sacks of the pilots are present 
What you have is to choose between is:
multiresistant bacterea in China, forget about going to sleep during cruise.
the risk of being beheaded in a country east of Egypt,
slavery in 60 degrees of heat in the Persian Gulf with a camera outside your house entrance. Most of them are not even recruiting anymore.
Fly during summer only för Norwegian and eat noodles in a caravan rest of the year.
Ryanair... I won't even get into that,
work for taxi-driver wages in Germany.
What you have is to choose between is:
multiresistant bacterea in China, forget about going to sleep during cruise.
the risk of being beheaded in a country east of Egypt,
slavery in 60 degrees of heat in the Persian Gulf with a camera outside your house entrance. Most of them are not even recruiting anymore.
Fly during summer only för Norwegian and eat noodles in a caravan rest of the year.
Ryanair... I won't even get into that,
work for taxi-driver wages in Germany.
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I know people who have been involved with the chinese aviation as well, from what I've heard, there are very good reasons for why they have to fork out that kind of money to have people coming. For a quick economical boost where people squat down and do their business on the sidewalk 10m from a toilet, China might be a good option provided you don't mind having your passport confiscated when not going on a stay-over, on a 5 star cockroach infested hotel, of course.
40% salary increase yes, but try paying your taxes accordingly in Europe and tell me how much is left, tax frauds in Europe usually result in as long imprisonments as manslaughter if we're talking about a typical yearly captain income. Short haul is still seasonal contracts even though they promise you something else.
The wide body gig on THY is still a reasonable gig compared to what's available around. Regarding the 737-fleet however, I wonder what the guys putting up with it are made of.
40% salary increase yes, but try paying your taxes accordingly in Europe and tell me how much is left, tax frauds in Europe usually result in as long imprisonments as manslaughter if we're talking about a typical yearly captain income. Short haul is still seasonal contracts even though they promise you something else.
The wide body gig on THY is still a reasonable gig compared to what's available around. Regarding the 737-fleet however, I wonder what the guys putting up with it are made of.
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Unless something changes quick in regards to salary, commuting ( no commuting on narrow body presently notwithstanding the mendacious advertising) and attitude I think you will find it very easy to pass an assessment. Everyone I know has resigned is about to do so, thinking about it or going for screening even Turks..but it will take a couple of months before you'll realize your mistake,. Many particularly liked those nice duties ending at 2330 before days off ( 2 ) and the other one starting at 0130 just after it...a real treat !!
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Whatever your reasons are, i must say that you are a racist person. You cannot talk about a person with a generating race-wise attitude so please stop turning this nice forum into a racist junk...
Deal with the things your management throw at you and stop generalizing people into the boxes you create in your little brain.
Whatever your reasons are, i must say that you are a racist person. You cannot talk about a person with a generating race-wise attitude so please stop turning this nice forum into a racist junk...
Deal with the things your management throw at you and stop generalizing people into the boxes you create in your little brain.
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Did the poor guy hand over his resignation before having a start date?
Lets hope he gets another job in the meanwhile then.
Everyone has their own needs,some already made their cash and need a rest in THY longhaul,unfortunately contributing or at least not helping for better terms,while others simply can not work like dogs and losing pay every month...
There are jobs,plenty indeed,but all require a sacrifice,I know what mine will be...
Lets hope he gets another job in the meanwhile then.
Everyone has their own needs,some already made their cash and need a rest in THY longhaul,unfortunately contributing or at least not helping for better terms,while others simply can not work like dogs and losing pay every month...
There are jobs,plenty indeed,but all require a sacrifice,I know what mine will be...
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Not only Transaero, Air France will start a restructuring within the next couple of months. Rumors talking about 300 pilots mainly long haul. So plenty of pilots to fill the seats of EK, THY etc.
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@flyflye Can't tell you much about THY because I didn't work there. The biggest issue from my point of view is the downfall of the Lira in the last years. The Lira lost in the last 3 year 45% against the Euro. Against the USD the Lira lost 67% in the last 3 years. So as an expat you have a look at you banks statement and literally you see the meltdown of your salary.
From my point of view they are already on a crossroad and need implement the necessary changes (not only in point of HR), but hey I'm just a member of PPRUNE, not a member of the THY Management team.
From my point of view, the "gigs" with EK, QR and "the airline which is not allowed to be named @pprune" are def. better then THY. But all of them have their ups and downs.
From my point of view they are already on a crossroad and need implement the necessary changes (not only in point of HR), but hey I'm just a member of PPRUNE, not a member of the THY Management team.
From my point of view, the "gigs" with EK, QR and "the airline which is not allowed to be named @pprune" are def. better then THY. But all of them have their ups and downs.
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Not only Transaero, Air France will start a restructuring within the next couple of months. Rumors talking about 300 pilots mainly long haul. So plenty of pilots to fill the seats of EK, THY etc.
They have links to Sky Team Chinese Airlines members already and why would they go to THY and fly 1000 hrs/year while they just about to lose their position for not wanting to fly more than 500 without extra pay?
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I bet you not one Air france pilot will end up in THY.
They have links to Sky Team Chinese Airlines members already and why would they go to THY and fly 1000 hrs/year while they just about to lose their position for not wanting to fly more than 500 without extra pay?
They have links to Sky Team Chinese Airlines members already and why would they go to THY and fly 1000 hrs/year while they just about to lose their position for not wanting to fly more than 500 without extra pay?
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@furbpilot Why are you still in this job if everything is that bad?
Do you believe that this is only the fact in the aviation business? This happend already in the most parts of the economy. Apple is only a designhouse, manufacturing in China at Foxcon. I believe you know about their working conditions. What about the construction workforce in DXB?
People are spoiling their lives, families and health for a few bucks.
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@furbpilot As a human you have to compare yourselve with other humans. The life and dignity of a so called "sandpit-slave" has the same worth then your or mine. At least that's my point of view.
And when it comes to the rules of a global economy, you have to compare yourselve with colleagues all over the globe. Do you want to judge a colleague who is working in a Part of the globe where his salary is only 25% of the salary compare to the ME carriers? I understand that this guy want to have a better future for his family. That's part of the "global Monopoly" game. And yes, it is somehow a depressing scenario.
And when it comes to the rules of a global economy, you have to compare yourselve with colleagues all over the globe. Do you want to judge a colleague who is working in a Part of the globe where his salary is only 25% of the salary compare to the ME carriers? I understand that this guy want to have a better future for his family. That's part of the "global Monopoly" game. And yes, it is somehow a depressing scenario.
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flyflye, you may do better to stay on type and look at Borajet. The fleet is expanding and it would give you an opportunity to experience " living in Turkey" before jumping to THY. There is no restriction to go from Borajet to THY, unlike SXS and SXD. Pay would not be so great but the overall package may work out the same as they provide accommodation. Ok, its mainly domestic routes from SAW and ESB bases but you can find your feet more easily. On the other hand, if you fancy THY then homework is required due to the vastly differing " opinions and facts" posted here