What a surprise from EK to UPS
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Ok guys, I can't stand it any longer. I personally know guys who were in my new hire (new joiner class for those of you on the east side of the pond) who readily admit to submitting bogus resignation letters to EK in order to join. My neighbor and a classmate from SAS being the poster childre(of course, they could have been lying through their teeth........probably not though since pilots are the paragon of honesty and integrity). My US pilot buddies from United, American, Delta, etc notwithstanding! So if the UPS guys pull a bait and switch with EK so be it! I learned one thing being a dreaded DEC at EK..........keep the TCAS on at all times and look out for the incoming traffic!
My hats off (hope that doesn't get me in trouble with management........oh, I forgot, I don't work for them anymore) to all you guys and gals staying there, I know your pain. I also know many are there because inspite of the negatives they have found a way to be content (as my Kiwi classmates would say), "good on you mate". To all contemplating EK for whatever reasons, fortold is forewarned, listen and be educated. The problems are real, the good things are real, and the risk/reward is real. I suggest you chose wisely!
Peace ya'll..................live it or rest in it!
The DAWG is out.
My hats off (hope that doesn't get me in trouble with management........oh, I forgot, I don't work for them anymore) to all you guys and gals staying there, I know your pain. I also know many are there because inspite of the negatives they have found a way to be content (as my Kiwi classmates would say), "good on you mate". To all contemplating EK for whatever reasons, fortold is forewarned, listen and be educated. The problems are real, the good things are real, and the risk/reward is real. I suggest you chose wisely!
Peace ya'll..................live it or rest in it!
The DAWG is out.
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I flew with a Swede Capt who was downgraded to FO for a year 
, very nearly fired, for some sort of issue with this LOA thing. He thought EK knew about it but they apparently didn't, and when they found out, that was the result. I also flew sim support for him when he was re-qualifying for the left seat.
There is no doubt, you must resign from your previous company to join EK.
, very nearly fired, for some sort of issue with this LOA thing. He thought EK knew about it but they apparently didn't, and when they found out, that was the result. I also flew sim support for him when he was re-qualifying for the left seat.There is no doubt, you must resign from your previous company to join EK.
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Perhaps my intrepretation of this thread is out of whack, due to the initial obscure post and a couple other subsequent posts, but it seems to me that the issue is not whether the UPS dudes sign a letter of resignation. Rather, that perhaps there might be some kind of 'deal' in the works between the UPS pilots potentially headed for a period of redundancy, their union and our illustrious leadership.
My theory is pure conjecture but consider the following.
-EK is desparate for suitable pilots. Even the poor sods at the recently now-defunct airline in Canada, are not exactly banging at Emirates door to get in. (just what I have heard from the results of the quickly arranged.... 2 days after the airline busted?.... pilot assessment meetings in Toronto)
-UPS probably has some great experienced pilots who are facing (we all hope) a short term layoff period. I'm not sure what types they are flying though, which could destroy my whole theory, but anyhow, wouldn't it seem wise to try to hire these guys even for a short fixed period of time, with full agreement between all parties on the terms, in order to fill the massive void that Emirates is struggling to fill?
-Emirates cannot put enough pilot 'bums in the seats' to properly staff this operation for the next 1 to 2 years. Yes a mutually agreed upon deal with a particular union would be a stop gap measure but it could work.
Damn, if I was management and had put myself in this position, I would make every effort and throw out the past requirement for signed resignation letters, if it bought me some time.
It would be more cost effective for EK to promise the world to these guys, hope some of them stay and continue the operation as opposed to parking aircraft and having to explain to His Highness, why events have unfolded in this manner. Perhaps I am a bit cynical of late and my hypothesis is totally crazy so feel free to pick holes in my argument.
It would be another sad day for airline pilots around the world if indeed these types of deals are being considered by management and pilots. It would be an even sadder day for EK pilots if indeed Emirates got away with this period of incredibly mismanagement.
My theory is pure conjecture but consider the following.
-EK is desparate for suitable pilots. Even the poor sods at the recently now-defunct airline in Canada, are not exactly banging at Emirates door to get in. (just what I have heard from the results of the quickly arranged.... 2 days after the airline busted?.... pilot assessment meetings in Toronto)
-UPS probably has some great experienced pilots who are facing (we all hope) a short term layoff period. I'm not sure what types they are flying though, which could destroy my whole theory, but anyhow, wouldn't it seem wise to try to hire these guys even for a short fixed period of time, with full agreement between all parties on the terms, in order to fill the massive void that Emirates is struggling to fill?
-Emirates cannot put enough pilot 'bums in the seats' to properly staff this operation for the next 1 to 2 years. Yes a mutually agreed upon deal with a particular union would be a stop gap measure but it could work.
Damn, if I was management and had put myself in this position, I would make every effort and throw out the past requirement for signed resignation letters, if it bought me some time.
It would be more cost effective for EK to promise the world to these guys, hope some of them stay and continue the operation as opposed to parking aircraft and having to explain to His Highness, why events have unfolded in this manner. Perhaps I am a bit cynical of late and my hypothesis is totally crazy so feel free to pick holes in my argument.
It would be another sad day for airline pilots around the world if indeed these types of deals are being considered by management and pilots. It would be an even sadder day for EK pilots if indeed Emirates got away with this period of incredibly mismanagement.
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Letter of Resignation
The 'requirement' to be in possession of a Letter of Resignation is 'writ in water' - as opposed to 'chiselled in stone'. There are a number of Air NZ pilots working here who are on Leave Without Pay from Air NZ, with the full knowledge and active involvement of both EK & NZ Management. Air NZ had a temporary surplus and EK had a (temporary?) shortage of pilots. The only proviso placed on these pilots was that they must resign from Air NZ to be eligible for Command at EK. What Mensaboy worries might be contemplated has, in fact, already occurred. If there is sufficient incentive, I am sure management will do it again.
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I've also met at least one American pilot who was on furlough, but had worked for another company before coming to Emirates.
As he was able to supply a letter of resignation from THAT company, EK was satisfied.
Mensa,
Why would it be a "sad day" if the company found a solution to the horlicks they've made of crew numbers and actually managed to get us flying sustainable hours?
As he was able to supply a letter of resignation from THAT company, EK was satisfied.
Mensa,
Why would it be a "sad day" if the company found a solution to the horlicks they've made of crew numbers and actually managed to get us flying sustainable hours?
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Why would it be a "sad day" if the company found a solution to the horlicks they've made of crew numbers and actually managed to get us flying sustainable hours?
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Unfortunately the arrival of temps won't get us back to flying a sustainable level of hours. It will only mean that the operation will continue without a hitch and therefore no accountability from management. The 90+ hours without OT is here to stay and EK will only employ enough pilots, utilizing whatever pool they can attract, to match those numbers.
Aiming Point summed it up pretty good.
Aiming Point summed it up pretty good.
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Wow this should be fun to watch. UPS FO's are accustomed to making about USD150K+/year for fly 300-600 hours a year. Life at EK will be a shock to say the least.
cadida,
Then I would be pretty confident they won't be coming!
There have been rumours of new joiners and recent leavers beening put on higher rates. All have proven to be untrue.
I would suggest it will be a case of take it or leave it.
Then I would be pretty confident they won't be coming!
There have been rumours of new joiners and recent leavers beening put on higher rates. All have proven to be untrue.
I would suggest it will be a case of take it or leave it.
