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You are wrong, mate. Sharia is not the legal system in all Islamic countries. This is not Somalia. When was the last time you saw somebody get stoned (with real rocks
) in Dubai? Or got their hands chopped off?
There is a peculiar mix of Sharia and common law in force. It doesn't make it any easier.
) in Dubai? Or got their hands chopped off?There is a peculiar mix of Sharia and common law in force. It doesn't make it any easier.
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British man faces six months in Dubai jail for making offensive gesture at Iraqi student | Mail Online
does this sound familiar....?
does this sound familiar....?
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No, should it? Don't flip the bird to anyone in the ME, it will provoke a reaction. Overreaction in this case, but he made his own bed and have to sleep in it for a while.
What else? Don't have sex in public and don't french kiss in front of locals. They are not that easy to overlook.
Listen, this is not home. Different rules and regs apply. If you don't realize this, then you are clearly in the wrong place.
Edit because I need to correct myself. A Briton flipping the bird does sound familiar.
What else? Don't have sex in public and don't french kiss in front of locals. They are not that easy to overlook.
Listen, this is not home. Different rules and regs apply. If you don't realize this, then you are clearly in the wrong place.
Edit because I need to correct myself. A Briton flipping the bird does sound familiar.
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Thank you all, quite a bit of useful information here and there. Frankly I'd prefer Asia over the ME, but according to what's posted here, there wont be much hiring going on at CX any time soon. Also I'm a bit light on hours (2500TT with no PIC time) and apart from CX there are not a lot of opportunities in Asia as a FO or SO I'm affraid.
With that in mind the ME looked like a good spot to get a wide body rating and at the same time work together with my girl, but if rostering is not willing to help and we're not able to live together in a normal way, I guess the best is to wait it out here, get some command time and try something else later..
Thanks anyway!!
With that in mind the ME looked like a good spot to get a wide body rating and at the same time work together with my girl, but if rostering is not willing to help and we're not able to live together in a normal way, I guess the best is to wait it out here, get some command time and try something else later..
Thanks anyway!!
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British man faces six months in Dubai jail for making offensive gesture at Iraqi student | Mail Online
does this sound familiar....?
does this sound familiar....?
Thanks for your efforts
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so it sounds like that if you are from a "Normal " place you will get very frustrated at the the way they do business in their back yard. After all it is their home.
With that point out there why the crap would you be here? the weather? the entertainment? the grace and efficiency at which things get done? NO the MONEY.
Keep your head down, your hands in your pockets and collect the cash and run when it is over. Remember it is NOT your Home. Don't try to make it like your home. Just Like all the Muslims that move to other country's should not try to make their new home like the old. we all have a way of life, just not the same way.
With that point out there why the crap would you be here? the weather? the entertainment? the grace and efficiency at which things get done? NO the MONEY.
Keep your head down, your hands in your pockets and collect the cash and run when it is over. Remember it is NOT your Home. Don't try to make it like your home. Just Like all the Muslims that move to other country's should not try to make their new home like the old. we all have a way of life, just not the same way.
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How many hedge fund managers works as pilots in the ME?
I second what Miles says, but I would like to add something; Everything he says is applicable if you choose to uproot your family and move anywhere in the world. Korea, China, Hong Kong, Singapore, India, ME, it doesn't matter.
Traffic sucks, schools cost money, wife can't usually get a job, single income, no job-no visa, bureaucracy, don't f@ck on the beach, etc. You need to consider everything wherever you choose to relocate. It also matter where you come from, because, surprise, not all pilots have a pink complexion! Shocking, but true!
Finally; some people can never adjust to a life outside their own country. That is just the way it is.
I second what Miles says, but I would like to add something; Everything he says is applicable if you choose to uproot your family and move anywhere in the world. Korea, China, Hong Kong, Singapore, India, ME, it doesn't matter.
Traffic sucks, schools cost money, wife can't usually get a job, single income, no job-no visa, bureaucracy, don't f@ck on the beach, etc. You need to consider everything wherever you choose to relocate. It also matter where you come from, because, surprise, not all pilots have a pink complexion! Shocking, but true!
Finally; some people can never adjust to a life outside their own country. That is just the way it is.
SkyDive6...
You're misrepresenting the situation with your post#31, as it has definitely NOT been proved that Mr Andrews made an offensive gesture to Mr Rasheed (the student) as alleged by Mr Rasheed, as follows:
Further, from your quoted source (if you bothered to read that whole article):
Therefore, the burden of proof for the alleged ASBO against Mr Andrews remains (under a normal judicial system) with the Mr Rasheed (the student). Since Mr Rasheed (the applicant) has failed to appear in court to give evidence, the magistrate or whatever should have dismissed the charges against Mr Andrews.
Justice delayed is justice denied SkyDive6, even under the so-called legal system that you seem so intent on defending on the basis of what clearly appears to be a presumption of 'guilty until proved innocent'.
SkyDive6, I've also been on the receiving end of the so-called legal system of another neighbouring Gulf State, and fortunately was able to prove my innocence against three trumped-up complaints from locals, but it wasn't fun on the way through, believe me!
ManaAdaSystem said:
No **** Sherlock.........do you want to try to tell that to all the Islamic immigrants living in UK, France, Australia, wherever? 
You're misrepresenting the situation with your post#31, as it has definitely NOT been proved that Mr Andrews made an offensive gesture to Mr Rasheed (the student) as alleged by Mr Rasheed, as follows:
But eight months on, he appeared in a Dubai court and protested his innocence only for the trial to be adjourned until April 4 after Mr Rasheed failed to appear to give evidence.
Mr Andrews has another court date scheduled for next Sunday.
According to a court source: 'Mr Andrews says the offensive gesture never happened. The Iraqi has never appeared in court to testify against him and there are no witnesses.
'Mr Andrews has told the court there is no evidence he did anything wrong and that it is Mr Rasheed's word against his.
Source: Mail Online (see British man faces six months in Dubai jail for making offensive gesture at Iraqi student | Mail Online)
Mr Andrews has another court date scheduled for next Sunday.
According to a court source: 'Mr Andrews says the offensive gesture never happened. The Iraqi has never appeared in court to testify against him and there are no witnesses.
'Mr Andrews has told the court there is no evidence he did anything wrong and that it is Mr Rasheed's word against his.
Source: Mail Online (see British man faces six months in Dubai jail for making offensive gesture at Iraqi student | Mail Online)
Although the proceedings are civil, the court must apply a heightened civil standard of proof. This standard is virtually indistinguishable from the criminal standard.[12] The applicant must satisfy the court "so that it is sure" that the defendant has acted in an anti-social manner. The test for the court to be "satisfied so that it is sure" is the same direction that a judge gives to a jury in a criminal case heard in the Crown Court. This is also known as satisfying the court "beyond reasonable doubt": R v Kritz [1950] 1 KB 82, approved by the Privy Council in Walters v R [1969] 2 AC 26 at 30.[citation needed]
As a matter of law, the burden of proof remains on the applicant and the standard is, effectively, the criminal standard. A court may not order an anti-social behaviour order unless it is satisfied so that it is sure that the defendant has committed one or more of the anti-social acts alleged.
As a matter of law, the burden of proof remains on the applicant and the standard is, effectively, the criminal standard. A court may not order an anti-social behaviour order unless it is satisfied so that it is sure that the defendant has committed one or more of the anti-social acts alleged.
Therefore, the burden of proof for the alleged ASBO against Mr Andrews remains (under a normal judicial system) with the Mr Rasheed (the student). Since Mr Rasheed (the applicant) has failed to appear in court to give evidence, the magistrate or whatever should have dismissed the charges against Mr Andrews.
Justice delayed is justice denied SkyDive6, even under the so-called legal system that you seem so intent on defending on the basis of what clearly appears to be a presumption of 'guilty until proved innocent'.
SkyDive6, I've also been on the receiving end of the so-called legal system of another neighbouring Gulf State, and fortunately was able to prove my innocence against three trumped-up complaints from locals, but it wasn't fun on the way through, believe me!
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Listen, this is not home. Different rules and regs apply. If you don't realize this, then you are clearly in the wrong place.
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No **** Sherlock.........do you want to try to tell that to all the Islamic immigrants living in UK, France, Australia, wherever?
Mods, please!
ManaAdaSystem...
Remember, though it was YOU that previously said:
I'm merely repeating what you're saying from another perspective ManaAdaSystem. But that all seems to be too much for you to understand, and as you obviously don't like any perspective that opposes your own, you're now calling for the mods.
Pretty typical response to the commonly expressed response to detractors of the Gulf here on PPRuNe who are reminded 'If you don't like it here then go'.
After 5 years in the place, I decided that I didn't, so I DID go, thank goodness.
CASE CLOSED ManaAdaSystem..........don't bother responding.
Remember, though it was YOU that previously said:
Finally; some people can never adjust to a life outside their own country. That is just the way it is.
Pretty typical response to the commonly expressed response to detractors of the Gulf here on PPRuNe who are reminded 'If you don't like it here then go'.
After 5 years in the place, I decided that I didn't, so I DID go, thank goodness.
CASE CLOSED ManaAdaSystem..........don't bother responding.
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Yup mana pretty much has to work both ways. If we come to the gulf and don't like it..we can leave. Same goes for any Muslim immigrant to the west. If you don't like our policies/country..then feel free to leave, just don't expect us to change our society/laws for you.
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Just correcting one little statement
In the UK the laws; rules; and norms are being changed for the immigrants, and the detrament of the locals.
In general the rules in ME are not being bent to facilitate foreigners, but pehaps to ensure profitability of local investment.
I believe that we all should respect and obey, the local rules and laws, regardless of the country.
If a Brit does not like the rules in ME they should go home, and if a Muslim (for lack of a better generic term) does not like French or British rules then go home.
qed
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In general the rules in ME are not being bent to facilitate foreigners, but pehaps to ensure profitability of local investment.
I believe that we all should respect and obey, the local rules and laws, regardless of the country.
If a Brit does not like the rules in ME they should go home, and if a Muslim (for lack of a better generic term) does not like French or British rules then go home.
qed
glf
It's not like I disagree...
...but this discussion doesn't belong on PPRuNe!
Waiting for your response, because we're all well aware ManaAdaSystem that you won't be able to resist responding, will you??
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Had to share this one. Reading these newspapers in this part of the world is entertaining to me.
I know it's regarding "general workers " in UAE but what "right" do we really have?? WTF!
The right to be a worker
EMPLOYEES or workers in the UAE have the right not to divulge their identity to anyone unless they are made sure of his/her authority.
In clearing their documents, employees or workers in the UAE must only deal with official personnel.
These and more are in the "pamphlets" the Philippine Embassy received from the interior and labour ministries two weeks ago, copies of which shall be distributed to all Filipinos - conservative estimates according to Minister and Consul General Adelio Angelito Cruz is at 400,000 - across the country.
The pamphlets, a copy of which was forwarded to The Gulf Today on Sunday evening, list down eight "labour rights" as well as 13 "labour duties" of all expatriate workers in the UAE.
These rights and duties are embodied in "Article 40 of the Constitution," carrying the statement: "Foreigners in the UAE enjoy rights and freedom as prescribed by the applicable International Constitutions, Treaties or Conventions that the UAE is a party in and in return, they also have duties."
"We will be distributing copies so that all Filipinos will know of their rights and their duties towards their employers and to our host government," Cruz said, when interviewed over the telephone, on Monday.
"I am grateful that the Ministry of Interior and Ministry of Labour (MoL) gave us copies of these pamphlets on the rights and obligations of all expatriate workers in the UAE," Cruz added, asking this reporter if what was given her was in Filipino, the national language of the Philippines.
"What they did is commendable," he said, also saying that aside from Filipino, what he knows is that the document released by the MoL, is in five other languages as well.
"It shows they are pro-active in ensuring the welfare of all expatriate workers," he also said, citing instances when Filipino workers seek assistance from the two Philippine diplomatic missions or from the two Philippine Overseas Labour Offices in Abu Dhabi and Dubai, regarding employers, subtracting from their salaries fees for their residence and employment visas, when these should be shouldered by the latter.
"I hope our compatriots carry with them their copies or know these rights and duties by heart so that they will not be misled," Cruz stated.
The senior official's statement was so, as this reporter brought up cases lodged at the Dubai Courts wherein Filipinas became victims of impersonation or those instances when men, impersonating people with authority, coerced the victims to produce their identification or ATM cards, which sometimes led to sexual harassment or rape.
Meanwhile, it is also expressed in the document that as expatriate workers are protected by the law, they should be first and foremost legal residents of the country: "As a start and before talking about any rights or duties prescribed by the UAE Constitution and Laws, the labourer should be legally staying in the country in accordance with the applicable laws."
"The violation of such laws makes the labourer not only subject to legal penalties but to be exploited by others as well due to his illegal stay resulting in his loss of rights granted by the country."
Apart from the right of expatriate workers having the right not to divulge their identity to anyone unless they are made sure of his authority, their seven other rights are:
* The right to be aware of all their rights set forth in the employment contract signed with the employer as the contract is binding to both parties. No excuse for anyone ignoring the contract terms and conditions once signed by them.
( only on paper! - it's a one way street here
)
( Where is my Annual Leave- Annual Leave Ticket to my home town-my overtime pay-call out pay for offdays I worked? Pay DEWA bills is not part of my employment contract! )
* The right to practice religious rites and freedom of belief, and the right not to hurt dignity.
( may I practice judaism and be a free believer in .....? )
* The right not to be subjected to any form of humiliation or any act resulting in physical injury as the law grants them the right to complain and report (as the case may be) against any person committing such crimes.
* The right to speak in their native tongue, assisted by an interpreter, in cases of testimonies before competent authorities.
* The right not to sign on any of their declarations before competent security or judicial authorities, unless fully read or perused by them.
* The right to know the accusations against them, the right to keep silent and the right to defend themselves.
( What happened to the guys from the MEL and MAN case??? )
* The right to seek legal assistance pursuant to the estimation of the police and other investigating authorities.
Aside from the duty of expatriate workers in clearing their documents only with pertinent authorities, their 12 other duties are:
* The duty to respect UAE traditions, conventions and heritage.
* The duty to know that they are subject to all applicable rules and regulations or laws.
* The duty to respect the rights of others, that they must neither resort to humiliation nor offend religious beliefs. Offending Islam and other religions is a crime resulting in detention or the payment of fines.
( is it legal to offend my religion? Does respect not work in both directions?? )
* The duty to exhaust all legal means to resolve labour disputes since resorting to labour strikes or other similar forms of labour unrest is strictly prohibited.
(- Sorry to say it but it's like fighting a war without weapons....useless to have rights then WTF! )
* The duty not to cause any damage to their workplace either intentionally or by way of negligence.
* The duty not to violate UAE laws and in no circumstances abstain from accepting work in order to hide themselves from authorities which may lead to exploitation by others.
_____
What a joke?! but hey it made my day
SUMMARY:
RIGHT:
1)WORK TO MAKE RECORD PROFIT DISREGARDING ALL RULES AND LAWS
2) IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT LEAVE
DUTY:
1) BE HAPPY YOU HAVE A JOB
2) SHUT UP
Source: :: Daily News with The Gulf Today on GoDubai, Middle East, Dubai, UAE Online News::
Please do take EVERYTHING in consideration before you come to this part of the world do not give up all the normal things of life for a bigger piece of iron....not worth it. Be warned!
I know it's regarding "general workers " in UAE but what "right" do we really have?? WTF!
The right to be a worker
EMPLOYEES or workers in the UAE have the right not to divulge their identity to anyone unless they are made sure of his/her authority.
In clearing their documents, employees or workers in the UAE must only deal with official personnel.
These and more are in the "pamphlets" the Philippine Embassy received from the interior and labour ministries two weeks ago, copies of which shall be distributed to all Filipinos - conservative estimates according to Minister and Consul General Adelio Angelito Cruz is at 400,000 - across the country.
The pamphlets, a copy of which was forwarded to The Gulf Today on Sunday evening, list down eight "labour rights" as well as 13 "labour duties" of all expatriate workers in the UAE.
These rights and duties are embodied in "Article 40 of the Constitution," carrying the statement: "Foreigners in the UAE enjoy rights and freedom as prescribed by the applicable International Constitutions, Treaties or Conventions that the UAE is a party in and in return, they also have duties."
"We will be distributing copies so that all Filipinos will know of their rights and their duties towards their employers and to our host government," Cruz said, when interviewed over the telephone, on Monday.
"I am grateful that the Ministry of Interior and Ministry of Labour (MoL) gave us copies of these pamphlets on the rights and obligations of all expatriate workers in the UAE," Cruz added, asking this reporter if what was given her was in Filipino, the national language of the Philippines.
"What they did is commendable," he said, also saying that aside from Filipino, what he knows is that the document released by the MoL, is in five other languages as well.
"It shows they are pro-active in ensuring the welfare of all expatriate workers," he also said, citing instances when Filipino workers seek assistance from the two Philippine diplomatic missions or from the two Philippine Overseas Labour Offices in Abu Dhabi and Dubai, regarding employers, subtracting from their salaries fees for their residence and employment visas, when these should be shouldered by the latter.
"I hope our compatriots carry with them their copies or know these rights and duties by heart so that they will not be misled," Cruz stated.
The senior official's statement was so, as this reporter brought up cases lodged at the Dubai Courts wherein Filipinas became victims of impersonation or those instances when men, impersonating people with authority, coerced the victims to produce their identification or ATM cards, which sometimes led to sexual harassment or rape.
Meanwhile, it is also expressed in the document that as expatriate workers are protected by the law, they should be first and foremost legal residents of the country: "As a start and before talking about any rights or duties prescribed by the UAE Constitution and Laws, the labourer should be legally staying in the country in accordance with the applicable laws."
"The violation of such laws makes the labourer not only subject to legal penalties but to be exploited by others as well due to his illegal stay resulting in his loss of rights granted by the country."
Apart from the right of expatriate workers having the right not to divulge their identity to anyone unless they are made sure of his authority, their seven other rights are:
* The right to be aware of all their rights set forth in the employment contract signed with the employer as the contract is binding to both parties. No excuse for anyone ignoring the contract terms and conditions once signed by them.
( only on paper! - it's a one way street here
)( Where is my Annual Leave- Annual Leave Ticket to my home town-my overtime pay-call out pay for offdays I worked? Pay DEWA bills is not part of my employment contract! )
* The right to practice religious rites and freedom of belief, and the right not to hurt dignity.
( may I practice judaism and be a free believer in .....? )
* The right not to be subjected to any form of humiliation or any act resulting in physical injury as the law grants them the right to complain and report (as the case may be) against any person committing such crimes.
* The right to speak in their native tongue, assisted by an interpreter, in cases of testimonies before competent authorities.
* The right not to sign on any of their declarations before competent security or judicial authorities, unless fully read or perused by them.
* The right to know the accusations against them, the right to keep silent and the right to defend themselves.
( What happened to the guys from the MEL and MAN case??? )
* The right to seek legal assistance pursuant to the estimation of the police and other investigating authorities.
Aside from the duty of expatriate workers in clearing their documents only with pertinent authorities, their 12 other duties are:
* The duty to respect UAE traditions, conventions and heritage.
* The duty to know that they are subject to all applicable rules and regulations or laws.
* The duty to respect the rights of others, that they must neither resort to humiliation nor offend religious beliefs. Offending Islam and other religions is a crime resulting in detention or the payment of fines.
( is it legal to offend my religion? Does respect not work in both directions?? )
* The duty to exhaust all legal means to resolve labour disputes since resorting to labour strikes or other similar forms of labour unrest is strictly prohibited.
(- Sorry to say it but it's like fighting a war without weapons....useless to have rights then WTF!
)* The duty not to cause any damage to their workplace either intentionally or by way of negligence.
* The duty not to violate UAE laws and in no circumstances abstain from accepting work in order to hide themselves from authorities which may lead to exploitation by others.
_____
What a joke?! but hey it made my day
SUMMARY:
RIGHT:
1)WORK TO MAKE RECORD PROFIT DISREGARDING ALL RULES AND LAWS
2) IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT LEAVE
DUTY:
1) BE HAPPY YOU HAVE A JOB
2) SHUT UP
Source: :: Daily News with The Gulf Today on GoDubai, Middle East, Dubai, UAE Online News::
Please do take EVERYTHING in consideration before you come to this part of the world do not give up all the normal things of life for a bigger piece of iron....not worth it. Be warned!