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Old 20th Apr 2010, 15:47
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I see that, but why the NTSB would be investigating the "concept" of that when there has been no recovery of data recorders from the AF447 accident does not make sense. Unless they know something that others don't.

He mentioned that the NTSB is investigating the 2 FO policy based on the AF incident. Why the NTSB would even be doing that based on an incident not in their airspace is not logical. Especially in the case where cause of accident has not been attributed to the 2 FO's...heck, there isn't even a definitive cause of accident yet!
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Old 20th Apr 2010, 17:54
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Not the job of the NTSB
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 07:24
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No, but I heard the FAA is constantly monitoring the situation concerning their airspace, as they basically should.

As EK tries to implement the 1/3 complement, it appears quite dubious that almost 50% of their FOs got rebuked on their upgrade at some stage.
This could paint a bleak picture of the quality of FOs that should act as PIC when the skipper is banned and blocked in the rear coffin. That might raise concerns at regulators of airspace we fly through daily!
(I for myself however think this is more of a plot to keep the bums on the RHS, as not enough are masochistic enough to apply at existing conditions. DECs from locos or regionals are much more eager to eat that c"@p and are therefore available).
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 08:38
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At CX I fly all my ULH with 2 f/o's and a 2nd Officer (4 of us). I never leave HK knowing I will go into discretion and 99% of the Capts do the same.
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 12:04
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Lots of airlines use a 1 Captain/2 or 3 F/O crew. However, most of them have the Flight Crew Rest somewhere near the front of the aircraft- where the makers suggested it should go. Emirates moved it so the pilots now face a considerable journey back to the flight deck.

As far as I'm aware, the airlines that use F/Os or even S/Os also have an additional training program for the people who will be acting as pilot in command while the Captain is on his break. This usually includes high altitude handling, engine fail at altitude, unreliable airspeed at altitude and various depressurisation/drift down scenarios. In short, all the stuff the crew are likely to face before the Captain can get back in his seat. Emirates gives the F/Os no additional training.
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 12:08
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Big G,

EK FOs are given a high dive and a eng fail drift down from the lefthand seat as part of their training. Happened a few years ago.

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Old 21st Apr 2010, 18:20
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The majority of FO's in EK are experienced guys and have done enough time to handle the an emergency relatively safely (I know there are a minority who are not capable of handling their coffee)

This means nothing when the company installs the CRC so far away from the cockpit that the captain has little chance of making it back to the flt deck in a reasonable amount time whilst being held responsible for the incident if he survives. What a great place to work. Captains = Underpaid Scapegoat, nothing more.
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 23:43
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" ....almost 50% of their FO's got rebuked on their upgrade at some stage."

What utter bollocks you spout. Your figures are way out. Being that far off the mark, one must assume you are not even employed by EK. If you are, then shame on you for referring to your colleagues as 'their' FO's.

As much as I hate to admit it, you have taken over 411A as my most nonsensical poster. Congratulations!
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Old 22nd Apr 2010, 04:12
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Sorry to shake your Martini BYMONEK.

As I wasn't raised in your beatiful language, I still try to handle it correctly and as good as I can. Referring to 'EK' and then 'FO's in the same sentence, I thought 'their' was grammatically correct. Apparently not, then sorry, or it might be an attitude problem on the reader side, then shame on them.

As for the statistics, accept my apologies, I admittedly applied my personal one. The last 5 FOs I had the pleasure to team up with were ALL rebuked once! (Two were screwed by the suddenly increased hours, one by the transition upgrade scam, the two others single handedly by a renowned interview handler).

I am certainly not scientifically correct, so would you please jump in and give us your precise insight.

Thank you
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Old 22nd Apr 2010, 06:37
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pool,

I'm impressed.... You suggest EK might have a problem with it's FO's and you give 5 examples. 3 of the 5 were screwed by the company and 2 by our hotshot american who failed his upgrade twice and is now taking out his revenge during the interviews..... congrats man.

Sure there are some FO's with a doubtful reputation around, but on occasions I have seen some very interesting things originating from the left seat as well...
Me thinks you forgot that quite a few of 'your' FO's might have more P1 time than yourself.
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Old 22nd Apr 2010, 07:10
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Would you gents please read with your analytic cells engaged first before hitting out!

I wrote:
This could paint a bleak picture
which means there is a probability that this might happen

only to clarify my own position thereafter:
I for myself however think this is more of a plot to keep the bums on the RHS
which implies that I am not questioning the quality of FOs myself, doesn't it??

but then again, some only read into the matter what they want to read
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Old 25th Apr 2010, 05:24
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