EK - Emirates Airlines - Now the wheels are REALLY (!) comin' off !
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EK - Emirates Airlines - Now the wheels are REALLY (!) comin' off !
... you won't believe it ....
i'm serving the last days of my notice period (they shafted me /P1 Airbus/ some unbelievable 93 hours in 24 days of Feb. - but that's beside tha point) - and as soon as i arrived with red eyes back in DXB i had to call the fleet, as they're continously buggin' me, to extend my noticeperiod ...
tellin' me the're right now "unexpectedly seriously short on Captains/ Trainers on the Airbus fleet" - bla-bla-bla - and that's why they would really like me to continue workling 'til summer - until the "unforseen gap" can be closed by recruiting efforts - the payment could be discussed - could You believe that - are they really THAT desperate by now!?
I can't believe, how unprofessional/ naive these so called managers at the sinkin' ship EK really are !?!
No way, i'd stay a single day longer in this crappy S*$thole Dubai (after my 7years) - plus i've already singed up a better contract in Europe - starting in two months, which is exactly the time, me & my family will need to "dedust ourselves" from all the disrespect, dishonest, lies and so on - and return into a "first world country!"
So - to sum it up:
EK wants to break the backs of its workforce - but they really failed miserably in doing that - due to their sheer incompetence, arrogance & disrespect üf their hard working workforces!
Now, Emirates comes down on their knees, are whinging for us to stay somewhat longer, as the applicants pool is as dry as the Liwa oasis in august!
EK 's really lost it, the wheels came definitively off by now, as they have to accept their total failure of running this ship properly and competent - andnow - as it has hit the rock - their whinging for pardon - Not me though ! - I declined their cheeky offer bruskly (just, as turned down so many whores down the route @ BKK) and i really liked them being let down on their knees with nothing ih their hands - Poor sods in a horrible, scraffy racist empty contry - I'm out here next week !!
Yeeeeaaaahhhhhaaaaaaahhhhh - i won't return ever to this f$&ked up place for all the money in the world!
my container is already shipped out - plus my famlily leaves in three days - Over and Out !! Hallas Habibis !! Shaft s'one else - not me anymore !!
i'm serving the last days of my notice period (they shafted me /P1 Airbus/ some unbelievable 93 hours in 24 days of Feb. - but that's beside tha point) - and as soon as i arrived with red eyes back in DXB i had to call the fleet, as they're continously buggin' me, to extend my noticeperiod ...
tellin' me the're right now "unexpectedly seriously short on Captains/ Trainers on the Airbus fleet" - bla-bla-bla - and that's why they would really like me to continue workling 'til summer - until the "unforseen gap" can be closed by recruiting efforts - the payment could be discussed - could You believe that - are they really THAT desperate by now!?
I can't believe, how unprofessional/ naive these so called managers at the sinkin' ship EK really are !?!
No way, i'd stay a single day longer in this crappy S*$thole Dubai (after my 7years) - plus i've already singed up a better contract in Europe - starting in two months, which is exactly the time, me & my family will need to "dedust ourselves" from all the disrespect, dishonest, lies and so on - and return into a "first world country!"
So - to sum it up:
EK wants to break the backs of its workforce - but they really failed miserably in doing that - due to their sheer incompetence, arrogance & disrespect üf their hard working workforces!
Now, Emirates comes down on their knees, are whinging for us to stay somewhat longer, as the applicants pool is as dry as the Liwa oasis in august!
EK 's really lost it, the wheels came definitively off by now, as they have to accept their total failure of running this ship properly and competent - andnow - as it has hit the rock - their whinging for pardon - Not me though ! - I declined their cheeky offer bruskly (just, as turned down so many whores down the route @ BKK) and i really liked them being let down on their knees with nothing ih their hands - Poor sods in a horrible, scraffy racist empty contry - I'm out here next week !!
Yeeeeaaaahhhhhaaaaaaahhhhh - i won't return ever to this f$&ked up place for all the money in the world!
my container is already shipped out - plus my famlily leaves in three days - Over and Out !! Hallas Habibis !! Shaft s'one else - not me anymore !!
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The "unforseen" gap has been forseen by the line pilots for month, as they are the poor sods who have to pick up the pieces of a managment team who can't see past next weekend.
What the gap is not is temporary. I can't see any way on earth they can recruit enough people quickly enough (and train them, even if they can find people desperate enough to join) to solve the problem before the pilots they already have start to hit 100 hours in 28 days (I'm already there, without any factoring) and 900 in a year.
What the gap is not is temporary. I can't see any way on earth they can recruit enough people quickly enough (and train them, even if they can find people desperate enough to join) to solve the problem before the pilots they already have start to hit 100 hours in 28 days (I'm already there, without any factoring) and 900 in a year.
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There's an old saying that goes something like "the failure to plan on your part does not constitute a crisis on my part". As BigGeordie says we've all seen this coming for a while now. Anyone approached by them in desperation and tempted to fly on a day off, cancel their leave days (I'm afraid this might be coming next), or extend their notice period might want to keep this one in their mind.
Management action over the past 2 years has so totally demotivated the troops, that any of the above should be unthinkable, but I'm sure there are some who will oblige. Help them out now and they will pat themselves on the back for good man management and laugh all the way to the bank with their bonuses for driving staffing costs to extreme lows.
Time for them to reap what they have sown.
Management action over the past 2 years has so totally demotivated the troops, that any of the above should be unthinkable, but I'm sure there are some who will oblige. Help them out now and they will pat themselves on the back for good man management and laugh all the way to the bank with their bonuses for driving staffing costs to extreme lows.
Time for them to reap what they have sown.
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No way! It's all good news!!!
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It's all in how you see things...
We just haven't been invited to the party.....
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It's all in how you see things...
We just haven't been invited to the party.....
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There are at least three pilots (Boeing) who have been begged into staying on several months longer than their notice period - all have been renegotiated onto very lucrative short-term deals. The company are not too tight to throw money around when it's just one or two guys but an entire unit is out of the question...... is similar to EK hey?
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all have been renegotiated onto very lucrative short-term deals
I am on a string of days off and scheduling rang me and asked if I planned being out of Dubai during that time as they needed pilots to fly. I was happy to answer that I had already left.
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Even the much belated recruitment drive will not cover both the pilots needed and cover those leaving... much too little much too late.
The perfect storm has arrived: A pilot workforce reluctant to help, (can't help as already at maximum) - no flex in the system with pilot numbers cut too low - training lag will add months to get anyone that does join on the line (with not enough trainers to train them anyway) - pilots leaving at an increasing rate.
Perhaps DECs/Contract pilots may be considered but Q: Where do you get experienced Bus and 777 pilots? Ans: Emirates... and they are not the only ones looking and supply is drying up.
FUEK. You have had it coming for a long, long time. Short term gain and now here is the long term resultant pain. It will cost you more now than it would have... you were warned.
The perfect storm has arrived: A pilot workforce reluctant to help, (can't help as already at maximum) - no flex in the system with pilot numbers cut too low - training lag will add months to get anyone that does join on the line (with not enough trainers to train them anyway) - pilots leaving at an increasing rate.
Perhaps DECs/Contract pilots may be considered but Q: Where do you get experienced Bus and 777 pilots? Ans: Emirates... and they are not the only ones looking and supply is drying up.
FUEK. You have had it coming for a long, long time. Short term gain and now here is the long term resultant pain. It will cost you more now than it would have... you were warned.
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This has got DEC all over it, ex BA TCAS buddies
and rumour is contract fo's at twice what they pay now, again current 777 fo;s able to take short term LOA and come here and fill the gap.
TC said once that pilots will never stop or hinder expansion
and rumour is contract fo's at twice what they pay now, again current 777 fo;s able to take short term LOA and come here and fill the gap.
TC said once that pilots will never stop or hinder expansion
EK201 now three crew, ULR standby's disappearing, guys on RSV given full rosters, guys on XX being called all the time, and now leavers being begged to stay with an open cheque-book....
Sad desperate times indeed
The dam started overflowing quite some time ago, yet they just put there thumbs in the small leaks whilst being deluged from above.
"Someone is gonna get hurt real bad" (Quote: Peter Russell)
halas
Sad desperate times indeed
The dam started overflowing quite some time ago, yet they just put there thumbs in the small leaks whilst being deluged from above.
"Someone is gonna get hurt real bad" (Quote: Peter Russell)
halas
It’s not really that bad. Yet.
This talk of 95 hour rosters and desperate HR phone calls makes me wonder why Unpaid Leave is still on the table.
The TRI formerly known as Tartan Guy signed up for 9 days of Unpaid Leave in February then strung it out with 10 XXs giving him a straight 19 days off. Nice work if you can get it I guess.
But… just how unpaid is unpaid? He’s still on the training roster. Could he be drawing a full training salary in February for working a string of just 11 days?
Surely his good buddy ‘Captain’ Ed wouldn’t ‘rubberstamp’ that.
And he’s pulling the same stunt in March
The TRI formerly known as Tartan Guy signed up for 9 days of Unpaid Leave in February then strung it out with 10 XXs giving him a straight 19 days off. Nice work if you can get it I guess.
But… just how unpaid is unpaid? He’s still on the training roster. Could he be drawing a full training salary in February for working a string of just 11 days?
Surely his good buddy ‘Captain’ Ed wouldn’t ‘rubberstamp’ that.
And he’s pulling the same stunt in March
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Just checked BM roster for march - he has unpaid leave as well , whats with that, would sure like to know A- how he got UL FEB and MAR and B has he got TRE pay both months, like some one said good work if you can get it
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In the good old days I was always happy to help crew scheduling if they asked me to work on a day off. The reason was simple; when I needed a favour they were ALWAYS willing to try and help me out. However since we've experienced our own form of regime change and that quid pro quo no longer applies. So I now I NEVER work on a day off.
Management has reduced this to a straight business proposition. Loyalty or team spirit no longer enters the equation. They pay me and work my published roster. Nothing more nothing less. And the shame is that this predicament that they now find themselves in is entirely of their own making and didn't have to happen. They made it clear to us that we are just indispensible number or cost units. Well, that's fine if that's the way they want to play. However don't be surprised when I start acting like how I'm treated.
It would have cost them nothing to retain a little humanity and treat their employees like human beings, but they took a conscious decision to do otherwise. At first it really bothered me. Now I simply don't care. It's just strictly business.
Good luck to those who have decided to move on. I hope your new circumstances are an improvement over what this once great airline has sadly become.
Yardman
Management has reduced this to a straight business proposition. Loyalty or team spirit no longer enters the equation. They pay me and work my published roster. Nothing more nothing less. And the shame is that this predicament that they now find themselves in is entirely of their own making and didn't have to happen. They made it clear to us that we are just indispensible number or cost units. Well, that's fine if that's the way they want to play. However don't be surprised when I start acting like how I'm treated.
It would have cost them nothing to retain a little humanity and treat their employees like human beings, but they took a conscious decision to do otherwise. At first it really bothered me. Now I simply don't care. It's just strictly business.
Good luck to those who have decided to move on. I hope your new circumstances are an improvement over what this once great airline has sadly become.
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Hi all it looks like Ed has lost the plot just before he leaves us... Seems some of our guys have been upsetting Ed asking normal questions like why Ek havent paid the power and water bills for 4 months and now the charges will increase putting us over our cap which my contract said they will pay all of it.. He is getting the Chief pilots involved.
I have asked some of the guys who have been here a while and they arnt happy how the place is being run , the place is in panic mode the crew crisis is about to start..
I turn my phone off before bed now and have alarm turn phone on right on reserve duty time , they won't get help from me and even less if i get a water bill.....
I have asked some of the guys who have been here a while and they arnt happy how the place is being run , the place is in panic mode the crew crisis is about to start..
I turn my phone off before bed now and have alarm turn phone on right on reserve duty time , they won't get help from me and even less if i get a water bill.....
The three crew JFK summer time thing has happened ever year that we have operated JFK. Not saying I agree with it, but its not new. The 900hrs in 365 and 100 in 28 has also happened before, hence the spread sheet on the portal so if you have an incident when out of hours its your fault for not keeping an eye on it not the companies. Not agreeing with this either, but just stating facts.
I have had to cancel flights outa JFK in the past due to FTL, and I know many others that have done the same. Apart from the SNMC trying to miss calc the duty period while I was on the Sat phone, I heard nothing from the company abut it. I also ensured that the next departure time was not decided until all the crew were in the rooms at the hotel, also not liked by the SNMC at the time, but no backlash.
So know the rules and operate to them. If your out of duty your out of duty. Not your fault the flight is delayed. You help noone if you try and press on to keep the clown act performing smoothly. But if you are going to make the call, make sure you have worked the rules out corectly.
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I have had to cancel flights outa JFK in the past due to FTL, and I know many others that have done the same. Apart from the SNMC trying to miss calc the duty period while I was on the Sat phone, I heard nothing from the company abut it. I also ensured that the next departure time was not decided until all the crew were in the rooms at the hotel, also not liked by the SNMC at the time, but no backlash.
So know the rules and operate to them. If your out of duty your out of duty. Not your fault the flight is delayed. You help noone if you try and press on to keep the clown act performing smoothly. But if you are going to make the call, make sure you have worked the rules out corectly.
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Hi!
I have had my app in for about two years, and was really hoping to get a call to interview.
Just pulled my app offline this month. They missed me...too late!
cliff
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I have had my app in for about two years, and was really hoping to get a call to interview.
Just pulled my app offline this month. They missed me...too late!
cliff
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Situation is gettin' worse at EK by the day ...
I've been out with some colleagues for my well-earned farewell @ irish village - and guess what:
one of our colleagues, who has resinged as well, has agreed with HR on their "Golden handshake" by postponing his notice period, as he finally succumbed to their cryin' for help:
The deal he then signed comprises a 50% higher net-salary (also P1 Airbus)PLUS a guarantee of no scheduled night turnarounds and ULR flights (!!!) in these agreed surplus employment time!
That's definitively a slap in the face of the poor sods, who have to do now more than their fair share of this nasty night-subcontinet-turnarounds as well as all these new, reduced crew-red-eye ULR flights and ANNEX 1 and ANNEX 2 Scam-FTD crap-flights!
And those poor skippers. who stay on - for now - are shafted even worse or 50% less money, than those who decided to leave the sinkin' EK-ship !
EK now and truely shows its realy ugly, selfish & exploiting face - Disgusting policies
one of our colleagues, who has resinged as well, has agreed with HR on their "Golden handshake" by postponing his notice period, as he finally succumbed to their cryin' for help:
The deal he then signed comprises a 50% higher net-salary (also P1 Airbus)PLUS a guarantee of no scheduled night turnarounds and ULR flights (!!!) in these agreed surplus employment time!
That's definitively a slap in the face of the poor sods, who have to do now more than their fair share of this nasty night-subcontinet-turnarounds as well as all these new, reduced crew-red-eye ULR flights and ANNEX 1 and ANNEX 2 Scam-FTD crap-flights!
And those poor skippers. who stay on - for now - are shafted even worse or 50% less money, than those who decided to leave the sinkin' EK-ship !
EK now and truely shows its realy ugly, selfish & exploiting face - Disgusting policies
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