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3000 across all grades last year. Around 500 in the first two months of this year. They 3500 in total are not just pilots. Only includes those that resigned officially. Only Dubai based staff. Speaks volumes for our beloved management. Also, a number of my Emirati friends. (Decent people) They are really shocked. 
Please ask our friend in the roadshow if this is the 1% of truth that PPruners write about EK?
Please ask our friend in the roadshow if this is the 1% of truth that PPruners write about EK?
Interesting that the over 15 pilots (they wouldn't tell me the exact number, just that it was more than 15) that did runners last year are not included in the resignation number.
Now what do they say about statistics?
the Don
Now what do they say about statistics?
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Hi!
I have been following EK very closely for about 4 years. I know 2 guys that went there (helped one of them). I applied about 2 years ago, and have been updating my app every since.
I just pulled my app this month.
cliff
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I have been following EK very closely for about 4 years. I know 2 guys that went there (helped one of them). I applied about 2 years ago, and have been updating my app every since.
I just pulled my app this month.
cliff
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Ok did I hear it wrong from one of your fox about average monthly days off are, minimum of 10 days.Now that would be counted as a Luxary in my airline.So is the bidding system which I will not be seeing in this life time.
I do not work in states but it is interesting to read some of the north american threads, its shocking to read about some pilots working as a salesman in wal mart or cutting chops in a local butchery or ending up in painting section of a home depot.
Am I suggesting to be thankful and shut up!! of course not. I am just sharing the facts in different part of worlds.
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I do not work in states but it is interesting to read some of the north american threads, its shocking to read about some pilots working as a salesman in wal mart or cutting chops in a local butchery or ending up in painting section of a home depot.
Am I suggesting to be thankful and shut up!! of course not. I am just sharing the facts in different part of worlds.
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Sky Diddy, Don't think you will see too many B777 captains or copilots working in WalMart in the states. Don't think you will see many A330/340 captains in the states with only 8 days off a month. Don't think you will see many two man aircraft operations flying over 10 hours with no relief or augmentation.
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There are very few B777s flying in the US. There are no A-340s, and only a handful of A-330s at NWA/Delta. With that large of an aircraft, I doubt that any of the US pilots on either of those airframes are furloughed.
The "normal" 121 airlines are limited to 8 hours of flying with two pilots. However, my 121 airline allowed up to 10 hours for two pilots, and then there's the "Ferry" leg. After you fly your "commercial" legs, you can legally ferry the airplane with no freight or pax, unlimited duty hours/flight hours/unlimited distances.
I have flown 12 hours with a 121 two-man crew, and my friend had a VERY long day with LOTS of flying, and at the end the company had them ferry the plane from Yellowknife to El Paso, TX, which is a VERY long way. Ferries from Europe to the US are not unheard of after you are out of duty time.
My longest duty day, two man crew, 121, was about 25 hours. NOT very nice.
The above is one of the reasons that Congress is forcing the FAA to change the Flight/Duty/Rest requirements as we speak. It will be similar to the UK rules. Some of our Flight/Duty/Rest rules are LITERALLY from the 1920s/1930s!!!
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There are very few B777s flying in the US. There are no A-340s, and only a handful of A-330s at NWA/Delta. With that large of an aircraft, I doubt that any of the US pilots on either of those airframes are furloughed.
The "normal" 121 airlines are limited to 8 hours of flying with two pilots. However, my 121 airline allowed up to 10 hours for two pilots, and then there's the "Ferry" leg. After you fly your "commercial" legs, you can legally ferry the airplane with no freight or pax, unlimited duty hours/flight hours/unlimited distances.
I have flown 12 hours with a 121 two-man crew, and my friend had a VERY long day with LOTS of flying, and at the end the company had them ferry the plane from Yellowknife to El Paso, TX, which is a VERY long way. Ferries from Europe to the US are not unheard of after you are out of duty time.
My longest duty day, two man crew, 121, was about 25 hours. NOT very nice.
The above is one of the reasons that Congress is forcing the FAA to change the Flight/Duty/Rest requirements as we speak. It will be similar to the UK rules. Some of our Flight/Duty/Rest rules are LITERALLY from the 1920s/1930s!!!
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What are you smokin' atpcliffy. You lost your credibility with the statement of very few 777s and others in the US. Let's see:
AA 47 777s, CAL 20 777s, UAL 52 777s and 26 747s, DAL 16 777s and 16 747s and 32 330s, USA 16 330s, FedEx 4 777f and 121 MD11/10s.
That list didn't even cover the 767/757 airframe. DAL alone has over 300 767/757s.
25 hrs. on a 2 man crew on 121 ops......Hmmmm. Whanna 'splain? And if you did do that, of course it must have been irregular ops. But are you scheduled daily for over 10 a day with two man crew? If you are I am sure the local FSDO would love to hear about it (ala JB). But if you are doing ferry flights like you said-different story. But here in the desert as has been said ad nausium, every day occurrance with pax and back side of the clock flying. Normal ops.
AA 47 777s, CAL 20 777s, UAL 52 777s and 26 747s, DAL 16 777s and 16 747s and 32 330s, USA 16 330s, FedEx 4 777f and 121 MD11/10s.
That list didn't even cover the 767/757 airframe. DAL alone has over 300 767/757s.
25 hrs. on a 2 man crew on 121 ops......Hmmmm. Whanna 'splain? And if you did do that, of course it must have been irregular ops. But are you scheduled daily for over 10 a day with two man crew? If you are I am sure the local FSDO would love to hear about it (ala JB). But if you are doing ferry flights like you said-different story. But here in the desert as has been said ad nausium, every day occurrance with pax and back side of the clock flying. Normal ops.
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10 days off a month????????????
skydad,
i have had 1 (one) weekend off since early january.
i am constantly to watch my rostered duties so as to not being driven into flying illegally for insufficient days off (happened once last year when i oversaw it)
my days off is exactly the legal minimum (whatever "legal" means here). the duty days include mostly night turns , a handfull of them each month very close to or just over the legal max duty (it's called "variations")...
it is impossible (!!!!) for anyone with a family to recover from the incessant alternating day and night duties and, have a semblance of a family life.
anyone thinking i'm exagerating contacts me please
shame our company has gone this way, shame on all those who have let or made this happen
a bus-driver, i average 8 days off with ek over the last 4 months, only 3 days off planned next month, because i have a week leave.....
i have had 1 (one) weekend off since early january.
i am constantly to watch my rostered duties so as to not being driven into flying illegally for insufficient days off (happened once last year when i oversaw it)
my days off is exactly the legal minimum (whatever "legal" means here). the duty days include mostly night turns , a handfull of them each month very close to or just over the legal max duty (it's called "variations")...
it is impossible (!!!!) for anyone with a family to recover from the incessant alternating day and night duties and, have a semblance of a family life.
anyone thinking i'm exagerating contacts me please
shame our company has gone this way, shame on all those who have let or made this happen
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He said 777 and A-330/340. Nothing about other widebodies.
There ARE more 777s in the US than I thought.
The Regional FAA office/FSDO and POI new EXACTLY what we were doing.
He came in once and said all the -121 PAX crews could only be scheduled for 6 days in a row, as we needed a 1 in 7. For the -121 freight crews, we could be scheduled for 30 days in a row, for all he cared.
Too many people in the FAA do not care/know/follow their own FARs!!!
cliff
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He said 777 and A-330/340. Nothing about other widebodies.
There ARE more 777s in the US than I thought.
The Regional FAA office/FSDO and POI new EXACTLY what we were doing.
He came in once and said all the -121 PAX crews could only be scheduled for 6 days in a row, as we needed a 1 in 7. For the -121 freight crews, we could be scheduled for 30 days in a row, for all he cared.
Too many people in the FAA do not care/know/follow their own FARs!!!
cliff
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