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Ek sick days
Latest news,
You can only self certifiy 2 sick days TOTAL / month, the third one, you got to have a little paper from the clinic.
4 hours 1 minute notice prior a 418 seem to be a good choice , or a ULR 3 days before the end of the month, so a fellow worker will slam into overtime
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You can only self certifiy 2 sick days TOTAL / month, the third one, you got to have a little paper from the clinic.
4 hours 1 minute notice prior a 418 seem to be a good choice , or a ULR 3 days before the end of the month, so a fellow worker will slam into overtime
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Latest news??? Its been like that for months. No big deal just go to the clinic if you are sick more than 2 days in the month. That still allows you 24 days uncertified sick leave a year so I don't really see your problem?
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There is no problem getting a sick note but that is not the point.
The point is that the company is attempting to intimidate pilots, who historically HAVE NOT abused the 'right' to be sick at times. Our sick rates have always been about 10% of CC sick rates even though pilots are older, so one has to ask.... why the change in policy in the first place?
Here are a few reasons for the attitudinal shift amongst our management dweebs;
-EK does not employ the proper number of pilots to crew all our aircraft ($)
-EK has pushed the limits of what should be considered tolerable levels of work ($)
-we no longer receive credit for ANY work outside of chocks-off to chocks-on eg. flight simulator training, SEP training, Pelesys and even showing up for work almost an hour before and a half hour after each flight, where no credit is given ($)
-EK has a rostering department that is incompetent and arrogant
-there are no checks and balances placed on our rostering department
-Pilots have zero representation to voice concerns and reach a mutually agreeable and beneficial compromise with management
-Every single Flight Ops manager is subservient to the 'higher-ups' and they are hired based on their pre-disposition to be willing to support poor decisions
-AAR (possibly the root of most problems)
-FTL's that have been selected from the worst examples from each authority around the world ($)
-a bidding system that is not being used properly
-sadly... a disjointed pilot group which has reverted (out of necessity) to only considering their personal benefit instead of the overall benefit to their profession.
-LEAVE that is not allocated according to even EK's rules and less than 75% of that LEAVE is even allocated based on the company's 'hidden' agendas($)
-the world-wide state of aviation being used as an excuse to slash and burn what few rights we enjoyed. My goodness, EK profited 1 BILLION USD last year, during the supposed worst time in this airline's history
-all profits now being handed directly to the government of Dubai, because the rest of this state was so poorly managed
-the institution of 'fear and intimidation' as the over-riding management technique, which is not just regarding minor issues but even to the point it causes unjustifiable sackings of pilots (highlighted by the fact that even EK realized that they had to 'hire back' some pilots due to the absurdity of their assertions and also the ongoing and impending lawsuits)
All these reasons have caused a 'terminal' shift in EK policy and attitude from our leaders which has even filtered down to those people responsible for administrative duties.
So it is NOT just about getting a sick note, it is part of the Master Plan of our management team.
In the end, EK will suffer because a good proportion of our 'best and brightest' pilots will leave this place. This fact brings me no pleasure because I do not relish the thought of seeking other employment and all that entails, but rather it makes me angry that things have reached this point. It was just a few years back when EK was properly considered to be a good airline pilot job. Unfortunately, this is no longer the case and in short order it will be considered a bad airline pilot job. (if that hasn't already occured)
3 or 4 years ago EK went thru a similar yet far less damaging phase in their relations with pilots and the 'blip' in hiring tendencies is now showing its effects. No offence to ANY pilot hired in that phase but reaching a failure rate of upgrades, in the range of 50% last year, should adequately demonstrate that something went wrong during that time frame.
Why is it so difficult for a person who is supposedly a 'manager' to comprehend that for each and every action, there is an equal an opposite reaction. I guess it boils down to the fact that EK and aviation in general, employs individuals who are in fact, BAD managers. Just my humble opinion!
The point is that the company is attempting to intimidate pilots, who historically HAVE NOT abused the 'right' to be sick at times. Our sick rates have always been about 10% of CC sick rates even though pilots are older, so one has to ask.... why the change in policy in the first place?
Here are a few reasons for the attitudinal shift amongst our management dweebs;
-EK does not employ the proper number of pilots to crew all our aircraft ($)
-EK has pushed the limits of what should be considered tolerable levels of work ($)
-we no longer receive credit for ANY work outside of chocks-off to chocks-on eg. flight simulator training, SEP training, Pelesys and even showing up for work almost an hour before and a half hour after each flight, where no credit is given ($)
-EK has a rostering department that is incompetent and arrogant
-there are no checks and balances placed on our rostering department
-Pilots have zero representation to voice concerns and reach a mutually agreeable and beneficial compromise with management
-Every single Flight Ops manager is subservient to the 'higher-ups' and they are hired based on their pre-disposition to be willing to support poor decisions
-AAR (possibly the root of most problems)
-FTL's that have been selected from the worst examples from each authority around the world ($)
-a bidding system that is not being used properly
-sadly... a disjointed pilot group which has reverted (out of necessity) to only considering their personal benefit instead of the overall benefit to their profession.
-LEAVE that is not allocated according to even EK's rules and less than 75% of that LEAVE is even allocated based on the company's 'hidden' agendas($)
-the world-wide state of aviation being used as an excuse to slash and burn what few rights we enjoyed. My goodness, EK profited 1 BILLION USD last year, during the supposed worst time in this airline's history
-all profits now being handed directly to the government of Dubai, because the rest of this state was so poorly managed
-the institution of 'fear and intimidation' as the over-riding management technique, which is not just regarding minor issues but even to the point it causes unjustifiable sackings of pilots (highlighted by the fact that even EK realized that they had to 'hire back' some pilots due to the absurdity of their assertions and also the ongoing and impending lawsuits)
All these reasons have caused a 'terminal' shift in EK policy and attitude from our leaders which has even filtered down to those people responsible for administrative duties.
So it is NOT just about getting a sick note, it is part of the Master Plan of our management team.
In the end, EK will suffer because a good proportion of our 'best and brightest' pilots will leave this place. This fact brings me no pleasure because I do not relish the thought of seeking other employment and all that entails, but rather it makes me angry that things have reached this point. It was just a few years back when EK was properly considered to be a good airline pilot job. Unfortunately, this is no longer the case and in short order it will be considered a bad airline pilot job. (if that hasn't already occured)
3 or 4 years ago EK went thru a similar yet far less damaging phase in their relations with pilots and the 'blip' in hiring tendencies is now showing its effects. No offence to ANY pilot hired in that phase but reaching a failure rate of upgrades, in the range of 50% last year, should adequately demonstrate that something went wrong during that time frame.
Why is it so difficult for a person who is supposedly a 'manager' to comprehend that for each and every action, there is an equal an opposite reaction. I guess it boils down to the fact that EK and aviation in general, employs individuals who are in fact, BAD managers. Just my humble opinion!
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They are cutting back on the medical side as well. Wait till you call on a sick day and there are no appt's available.
In the end the cost is prohibitive and they will come back to dealing with it as they should---with the abusers only. Which is what a 'management' and 'managers' should be doing anyway.
In the end the cost is prohibitive and they will come back to dealing with it as they should---with the abusers only. Which is what a 'management' and 'managers' should be doing anyway.
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It is obvious that you have some sort of involvement with ek management. We all know that mensa has a valid point, on his particularly way, but he does have a point. Just because he insists on ek negative points doesn't mean that he needs to leave. Do you really think that fatigue is not an issue over here? Are you happy with flying 92 hours every single month? Did you get all your 42 leave days as per the contract you have signed? Do you think that two local nights followed a ULR flight is enough to recover? I can enumerate many more disgraceful measures taken against the pilot group from this non flying management(AAR, tcas, AAR, horse, AAR) but it will be a waste of time. Making new joiners aware of what's going on over here can help them in their decision making process, and I believe PPRuNe can be a powerful tool for that.
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Bin me old mate. I for one would be grateful to hear what and why you feel that "everything in the garden is rosey".
I have been in professional aviation for 30 years and am frankly stunned by the downward trends here in EK.
The management model used here can and as much as I hate to say it will only have one outcome. That of a hull loss.
Every single competitor we have husbands the effect of fatigue better than EK, by very sensible augmenting policies.
I for one have never ever experienced this level of accumulative fatigue and the rather odd leave allocation just released will only make things worse i fear.
The regular rostering of Westbound ulrs followed by Eastbound 2 crew 10+ hour flights is frankly daft and I am appalled that our Management allow it to occur.
This used to be a great job, it is not anymore.
I for one am seriously looking for a way out of aviation completely.
I have been in professional aviation for 30 years and am frankly stunned by the downward trends here in EK.
The management model used here can and as much as I hate to say it will only have one outcome. That of a hull loss.
Every single competitor we have husbands the effect of fatigue better than EK, by very sensible augmenting policies.
I for one have never ever experienced this level of accumulative fatigue and the rather odd leave allocation just released will only make things worse i fear.
The regular rostering of Westbound ulrs followed by Eastbound 2 crew 10+ hour flights is frankly daft and I am appalled that our Management allow it to occur.
This used to be a great job, it is not anymore.
I for one am seriously looking for a way out of aviation completely.
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It's a fair question Bin. Different people have different reasons for the choices they make and quite frankly it is no one else's business but I will attempt to answer your question anyhow. So why do I stay?
1-INERTIA. I have made a life in Dubai, have passed thru the various hoops along the way and since I am inherently lazy, I dread the thought of going through things again at a different airline
2-In spite of what I write, which is truthful, I grudgingly admit this is still a good job in some respects; which of course is an indictment on professional aviation in general
3-I earn tax free dollars and have few expenses
4-I have a financial commitment that precludes me taking a chance somewhere else (for the time being)
5-My attitude towards our mismanagement and my belief that EK is on a downhill slide, is a fairly recent realization on my part
6-I thoroughly enjoy my time at work, in spite of the fact we work way too much
7-The vast majority of my fellow pilots and most CC are great colleagues to work with
8-The worldwide aviation scene is not exactly conducive to changing jobs (KAL, China etc are not exactly my dream jobs)
9-I am, or should I say, WAS an optimistic and appreciative employee. But after each continual degradation to our T&C's and the obvious complete disregard for fatigue and hence flight safety and health effects, they have slowly worn me down.
10-I'm good at this job and never envisioned feeling this way about this career choice at such a young age
11- Pprune affords me the opportunity to VENT my frustrations and get on with the job. If you don't like my POV, then don't read it!
Those are my reasons for staying at EK, granted I wrote them in a hurry.
I notice you didn't refute one single point I made in my earlier post. Interesting.
Yet you go to great lengths taking speculative shots at me without basis. And I quote just one of your comments as evidence; ''Are you hiding behind the excuse of disrupting your family to assauge your own ego?'' (It's assuage by the way, hehe.) Did you just finish watching Saving Private Ryan and come up with that one? Made me laugh though, thanks.
Oh yes, and I'm arrogant, know-it-all, a 'cap in hand Canuck' and a property speculator as well....... and apparently I don't ''get out more'' either. You might be considered intuitive if not for the fact that your shotgun approach at labelling me was so inaccurate. Oh right, I'm not supposed to mention YOU in my retort to your allegations, my apologies, haha.
I post on Pprune to express what I believe is reality, which helps me avoid such conversations at work and conduct myself professionally. I am not a bitter man, quite the contrary. The crew and F/O's I fly with consistently express what a great time we had together and I express my respect and gratitude towards those deserving as well. (even if we have completely different POV's regarding company, political or social topics).
I realize that some people on this forum might regard me as being a bit too loud or a bit too opinionated but usually they attempt to slot me into a hole which allows them to disregard what I say, without actually considering the reality of the situation here at EK.
I dont bitch at work, I am as upbeat and positive a person as you will ever run across, but I am realistic about this job. Too bad if that offends some people on a Forum.
I didn't pursue this career for glory or money but because I found it interesting and challenging. The airline pilot job is a profession, yet EK have somehow managed to lower our expectations so far, that many of us barely notice the incessitant decline in the T&Cs's of this job. It's almost as if... well the latest FCN/email/FCI/OEB/HR adjustment/accomodation dictate, etc. didn't affect me, so I should be happy about things. When did pilots STOP considering the plight of their colleagues and START only considering their own benefit?
Bin if you wish to discuss any of my assertions then I am here. Bring it on Beeatch, haha. That was a joke by the way. But seriously, enlighten me regarding my improper view of things because I am man enough to admit when I am wrong. I am very open to constructive criticism and willing to change my POV.
1-INERTIA. I have made a life in Dubai, have passed thru the various hoops along the way and since I am inherently lazy, I dread the thought of going through things again at a different airline
2-In spite of what I write, which is truthful, I grudgingly admit this is still a good job in some respects; which of course is an indictment on professional aviation in general
3-I earn tax free dollars and have few expenses
4-I have a financial commitment that precludes me taking a chance somewhere else (for the time being)
5-My attitude towards our mismanagement and my belief that EK is on a downhill slide, is a fairly recent realization on my part
6-I thoroughly enjoy my time at work, in spite of the fact we work way too much
7-The vast majority of my fellow pilots and most CC are great colleagues to work with
8-The worldwide aviation scene is not exactly conducive to changing jobs (KAL, China etc are not exactly my dream jobs)
9-I am, or should I say, WAS an optimistic and appreciative employee. But after each continual degradation to our T&C's and the obvious complete disregard for fatigue and hence flight safety and health effects, they have slowly worn me down.
10-I'm good at this job and never envisioned feeling this way about this career choice at such a young age
11- Pprune affords me the opportunity to VENT my frustrations and get on with the job. If you don't like my POV, then don't read it!
Those are my reasons for staying at EK, granted I wrote them in a hurry.
I notice you didn't refute one single point I made in my earlier post. Interesting.
Yet you go to great lengths taking speculative shots at me without basis. And I quote just one of your comments as evidence; ''Are you hiding behind the excuse of disrupting your family to assauge your own ego?'' (It's assuage by the way, hehe.) Did you just finish watching Saving Private Ryan and come up with that one? Made me laugh though, thanks.
Oh yes, and I'm arrogant, know-it-all, a 'cap in hand Canuck' and a property speculator as well....... and apparently I don't ''get out more'' either. You might be considered intuitive if not for the fact that your shotgun approach at labelling me was so inaccurate. Oh right, I'm not supposed to mention YOU in my retort to your allegations, my apologies, haha.
I post on Pprune to express what I believe is reality, which helps me avoid such conversations at work and conduct myself professionally. I am not a bitter man, quite the contrary. The crew and F/O's I fly with consistently express what a great time we had together and I express my respect and gratitude towards those deserving as well. (even if we have completely different POV's regarding company, political or social topics).
I realize that some people on this forum might regard me as being a bit too loud or a bit too opinionated but usually they attempt to slot me into a hole which allows them to disregard what I say, without actually considering the reality of the situation here at EK.
I dont bitch at work, I am as upbeat and positive a person as you will ever run across, but I am realistic about this job. Too bad if that offends some people on a Forum.
I didn't pursue this career for glory or money but because I found it interesting and challenging. The airline pilot job is a profession, yet EK have somehow managed to lower our expectations so far, that many of us barely notice the incessitant decline in the T&Cs's of this job. It's almost as if... well the latest FCN/email/FCI/OEB/HR adjustment/accomodation dictate, etc. didn't affect me, so I should be happy about things. When did pilots STOP considering the plight of their colleagues and START only considering their own benefit?
Bin if you wish to discuss any of my assertions then I am here. Bring it on Beeatch, haha. That was a joke by the way. But seriously, enlighten me regarding my improper view of things because I am man enough to admit when I am wrong. I am very open to constructive criticism and willing to change my POV.
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I am always amazed at the 'why stay?' or 'leave if you don't like it' argument.
It doesn't matter how you phrase it!! Anybody who says it shows little or no ability to listen to others point of view, they are themselves immensely arrogant.
My point, EK could be one of the best places to work, but due to continual reductions and poor management it is turning into an uncomfortable and unhappy place to work. Those of us that stay have the 'grin and bear it' attitude!
I think Mensa in his own way is just hoping that one day all the negative things that he notes will be addressed. It wouldn't be too hard to do either. So maybe the answer to this banal statement of 'why stay?' etc etc is that we hope that one day things will begin to get better with EK becoming the place it should be- there is no harm in dreaming
Now Mensaboy is definitely from one edge of the spectrum and Bin Liner the other. Both have strong views as have I. The difference I think is that I do question management, I have argued with TCAS and ED - pretty pointless really as they have no reasonable answers!! I wonder whether Mensa or Bin Liner just pontificate here like many others do or whether they actually pass on their thoughts to management. Hope they do, as many others should as well!!!
It doesn't matter how you phrase it!! Anybody who says it shows little or no ability to listen to others point of view, they are themselves immensely arrogant.
My point, EK could be one of the best places to work, but due to continual reductions and poor management it is turning into an uncomfortable and unhappy place to work. Those of us that stay have the 'grin and bear it' attitude!
I think Mensa in his own way is just hoping that one day all the negative things that he notes will be addressed. It wouldn't be too hard to do either. So maybe the answer to this banal statement of 'why stay?' etc etc is that we hope that one day things will begin to get better with EK becoming the place it should be- there is no harm in dreaming
Now Mensaboy is definitely from one edge of the spectrum and Bin Liner the other. Both have strong views as have I. The difference I think is that I do question management, I have argued with TCAS and ED - pretty pointless really as they have no reasonable answers!! I wonder whether Mensa or Bin Liner just pontificate here like many others do or whether they actually pass on their thoughts to management. Hope they do, as many others should as well!!!
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Same s..t different day. No offence but now I find their postings boring and repetitive and skip them. Yes my choice to do so. Just making a comment. But honestly , do you really think things will ever change for the better?
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yes, always been the same...
...since the beginning of time (seemingly) Mensabore has aimed for perspicuity but has only achieved prolixity. and prolixity. and prolixity. and prolixity.
Dr. Johnson once observed that "this is a disadvantage of wine, that it makes men mistake words for thoughts". Handing Mensabore a keyboard seems to have the same effect.
Dr. Johnson once observed that "this is a disadvantage of wine, that it makes men mistake words for thoughts". Handing Mensabore a keyboard seems to have the same effect.
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Wow Bin, I'm impressed. I gather that you agree with some of my conclusions, but you are focused on my past aviation career as an explanation for my POV. And YES, I agree that a person's past life totally affects his present life, but such a person's opinion should not be cast aside based on that fact.
Anyhow, you left EK.... yet you still read the posts here (which is not that surprising), but now I have to ask why you left? And did you leave before the last 10 months of insanity? I sincerely hope you do not regret your decision to leave........... not because it supports my POV but rather I wish you the best of luck.
Can we agree to disagree regarding certain issues? I have no heartache with opinions contrary to my own, just that it is not acceptable to criticize a man based on his opinions and not based on truths. Darn it all, if you and I can't get along based upon our individual view of current events, that would be a shame. Geeze, I get along with, and respect people who have completely different viewpoints of the world than myself. I still respect them. (unless of course they are idiots..... Republicans for example) Oooh, I am going to regret that last sentence tomorrow, haha.
Thanks anyhow for responding in a mature and un-emotional manner, something for which I am finding it harder and harder to do. I have to admit it annnoys me when someone completely disagrees with me when they don't offer a counter-argument to my posts. It's like a child on the playground offering the argument that ''my dad is bigger than your dad''. It is infantile and clearly demonstrates a person's lack of intelligence.
Our management despises us and they don't care one bit about our welfare. Please please please, someone contest that TRUTH !!!
Anyhow, you left EK.... yet you still read the posts here (which is not that surprising), but now I have to ask why you left? And did you leave before the last 10 months of insanity? I sincerely hope you do not regret your decision to leave........... not because it supports my POV but rather I wish you the best of luck.
Can we agree to disagree regarding certain issues? I have no heartache with opinions contrary to my own, just that it is not acceptable to criticize a man based on his opinions and not based on truths. Darn it all, if you and I can't get along based upon our individual view of current events, that would be a shame. Geeze, I get along with, and respect people who have completely different viewpoints of the world than myself. I still respect them. (unless of course they are idiots..... Republicans for example) Oooh, I am going to regret that last sentence tomorrow, haha.
Thanks anyhow for responding in a mature and un-emotional manner, something for which I am finding it harder and harder to do. I have to admit it annnoys me when someone completely disagrees with me when they don't offer a counter-argument to my posts. It's like a child on the playground offering the argument that ''my dad is bigger than your dad''. It is infantile and clearly demonstrates a person's lack of intelligence.
Our management despises us and they don't care one bit about our welfare. Please please please, someone contest that TRUTH !!!
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Bin's typical attack is to call anyone he disagrees with "arrogant".
Good job Mensa!
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Good job Mensa!
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Many have stated that management is very poor at EK. To be honest I don't have a clue if they are poor or not but allow me to point something out. EK has continued to expand all last year and have done so until quite recently without hiring pilots. Not only have they made people do more work, they have done it while reducing the pay of those pilots. This is only an observation, not any kind of opinion.
No doubt this has an effect on safety but up to now they have gotten away with it. If I were a shareholder I might think they are doing a good job.
People also say things have been going down hill for pilots for a year, for 5 years, 10 years etc. I submit it has been going down for many more years. A very unfortunate trend if you happen to be a pilot. The cost of pilot manpower is on a steady downtrend and I don't see any end in sight. Just think of the ratio of a pilots salary to a brand new widebody now and compare it to the same ratio taken from the 70's. We are getting a raw deal! All aspects of our job is really starting to suck as Mensa has pointed out. There is not much he or anyone else can do about it except keep plugging away.
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No doubt this has an effect on safety but up to now they have gotten away with it. If I were a shareholder I might think they are doing a good job.
People also say things have been going down hill for pilots for a year, for 5 years, 10 years etc. I submit it has been going down for many more years. A very unfortunate trend if you happen to be a pilot. The cost of pilot manpower is on a steady downtrend and I don't see any end in sight. Just think of the ratio of a pilots salary to a brand new widebody now and compare it to the same ratio taken from the 70's. We are getting a raw deal! All aspects of our job is really starting to suck as Mensa has pointed out. There is not much he or anyone else can do about it except keep plugging away.
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I have often commented that certain departments in EK are extremely well run. For example, route planning, (something like 4 destinations cancelled in a 25 year history?... not bad IMHO) They also spend a ****eload on promotion of the EK brand, which has worked miraculously over the years. Plus EK is good at using technology such as CPDLC, EFB's, and excellent route structure analysis.
But ANY time our managers can find an opportunity to dismiss the 'human' aspects of the operation in order to save money, they do not hesitate to do so. The system is flawed because those same managers are rewarded for short-term gain, without consideration for long-term pain. For example (just specific to pilots)... crazy roster patterns, a complete disregard for seniority, CRC's repositioned to unsafe and rest-precluding areas in an aircraft, T&C considerations such as Utilities allowance, Overtime benefits, Annual Leave allocation, Accomodation, manning levels and Reserve allocation and policy. They simply don't care about the 'human' aspect of the operation provided they continue to earn money.
I will add to my earlier post one other reason why I remain at EK, and that is job security. Most pilots around the world do not have this same luxury that we enjoy at EK.
But in spite of those good points about EK, it does not mean we have good management and this is what bothers me.
EK has the benefit of full support from the governing authorities of this Emirate, we are considered integral to the future of Dubai and we are blessed with a geographic location conducive to a successful airline.
My belief is that we succeed ''in spite of our poor management'' because of the inherent advantages this airline enjoys. Imagine how successful we COULD be, and how each an every employee would love performing their jobs, if only we had capable management? WOW, that thought is mind-boggling!
(ps. sorry about the Repub jab last time, just couldn't help myself, hehe.)
But ANY time our managers can find an opportunity to dismiss the 'human' aspects of the operation in order to save money, they do not hesitate to do so. The system is flawed because those same managers are rewarded for short-term gain, without consideration for long-term pain. For example (just specific to pilots)... crazy roster patterns, a complete disregard for seniority, CRC's repositioned to unsafe and rest-precluding areas in an aircraft, T&C considerations such as Utilities allowance, Overtime benefits, Annual Leave allocation, Accomodation, manning levels and Reserve allocation and policy. They simply don't care about the 'human' aspect of the operation provided they continue to earn money.
I will add to my earlier post one other reason why I remain at EK, and that is job security. Most pilots around the world do not have this same luxury that we enjoy at EK.
But in spite of those good points about EK, it does not mean we have good management and this is what bothers me.
EK has the benefit of full support from the governing authorities of this Emirate, we are considered integral to the future of Dubai and we are blessed with a geographic location conducive to a successful airline.
My belief is that we succeed ''in spite of our poor management'' because of the inherent advantages this airline enjoys. Imagine how successful we COULD be, and how each an every employee would love performing their jobs, if only we had capable management? WOW, that thought is mind-boggling!
(ps. sorry about the Repub jab last time, just couldn't help myself, hehe.)
That's an oxymoron!
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If I was the Manch guys, I'd hire myself a bloody good lawyer, especially if I was the F/O. To get fired while still under training.......give me a friggin break.
Melbourne however................... Nuff said!
Regarding job security, probably the best there is in the current market, just as long as you don't stuff up the take off.......or the landing........or the taxi........ of course, getting pissed is a no no.....and shagging a pissed hostie will also see you booted out.......or a sober one for that matter.........
Shows how times have changed. Thirty years ago, all of the above was mandatory if you were to be promoted to CP!
Harry
Melbourne however................... Nuff said!
Regarding job security, probably the best there is in the current market, just as long as you don't stuff up the take off.......or the landing........or the taxi........ of course, getting pissed is a no no.....and shagging a pissed hostie will also see you booted out.......or a sober one for that matter.........
Shows how times have changed. Thirty years ago, all of the above was mandatory if you were to be promoted to CP!
Harry
