EK(Emirates) whats the point joining?
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Single 27 and working for Mesa.....You will love it at EK it's lot better than working for JO and it's better than flying CRJ or ERJ for next 10 years than make $65,000 a year. If I were you I would Take it.
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Hi!
I was USA Jet/Trans States.
I would say single/27 EK is at least 10 times better than Mesa.
Only deal is how will U adjust to living in DXB???
cliff
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I was USA Jet/Trans States.
I would say single/27 EK is at least 10 times better than Mesa.
Only deal is how will U adjust to living in DXB???
cliff
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Pilotboy76,
I follow your reasoning with regards to TLavelle. However, he may have some longterm career reason for going to the sandbox for a period of time.
IF he wants/needs some longhaul/widebody experience EK could be the ticket. As long as he remembers that he, by accepting their offer, also accepts whatever ELSE comes his way.
In other words: a means to an end?
Regards,
Ramrise
I follow your reasoning with regards to TLavelle. However, he may have some longterm career reason for going to the sandbox for a period of time.
IF he wants/needs some longhaul/widebody experience EK could be the ticket. As long as he remembers that he, by accepting their offer, also accepts whatever ELSE comes his way.
In other words: a means to an end?
Regards,
Ramrise
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Wet V2:
Manchester was a training flight with the wrong runway set in the FMC prior to the approach (two parallel Rwys 06 with the left one set up in the box with the right one in use). Not picked up in the approach brief.
Error not picked up until late requiring a go-around. GA flown according to FMC which was the wrong one, therefore turned left instead of right. One of those days.
F/O under training was sacked despite constant denials, basic outright lies from management. The lying continued even with the container packed up outside the F/Os door. F/O concerned had his family here with 3 or 4 kids with one on the way.
Nobody screws up on purpose like it was simple Human Error. Never the less we all could have learnt a cautionary tail and moved on. But, you have no recourse, no back up, no support. Once you are here and left any job you are at their mercy or lack thereof.
The 'human' element has been taken out of the management so we have to deal with this and other low levels of support on a daily basis.
There are other examples but I'll leave others to tell those but that V2 was the Manchester incident in a nutshell.
We all came here with the hope that it would be better for us and our families. As time has passed EK had declined below the expectations we set as a bench mark from our own experiences. Those who come now because 'it's better than what I've got now' will over time realize EKs capacity to erode terms and conditions, breech contracts so that eventually it will resemble the Ts & Cs from which you tried to get away from.
Manchester was a training flight with the wrong runway set in the FMC prior to the approach (two parallel Rwys 06 with the left one set up in the box with the right one in use). Not picked up in the approach brief.
Error not picked up until late requiring a go-around. GA flown according to FMC which was the wrong one, therefore turned left instead of right. One of those days.
F/O under training was sacked despite constant denials, basic outright lies from management. The lying continued even with the container packed up outside the F/Os door. F/O concerned had his family here with 3 or 4 kids with one on the way.
Nobody screws up on purpose like it was simple Human Error. Never the less we all could have learnt a cautionary tail and moved on. But, you have no recourse, no back up, no support. Once you are here and left any job you are at their mercy or lack thereof.
The 'human' element has been taken out of the management so we have to deal with this and other low levels of support on a daily basis.
There are other examples but I'll leave others to tell those but that V2 was the Manchester incident in a nutshell.
We all came here with the hope that it would be better for us and our families. As time has passed EK had declined below the expectations we set as a bench mark from our own experiences. Those who come now because 'it's better than what I've got now' will over time realize EKs capacity to erode terms and conditions, breech contracts so that eventually it will resemble the Ts & Cs from which you tried to get away from.
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Is the accelerated captain program still in place for those who are captains when they apply?
What is Dubai like now, compared to before the financial crisis? Rent, school fees, availability of good schools, traffic, etc.
I don't need advice on the Middle East in general, the locals, the value of the local currency, etc. Been there before and seen most negatives as well as positives. I just want to know about present day Dubai, not the way it was two years ago.
What is Dubai like now, compared to before the financial crisis? Rent, school fees, availability of good schools, traffic, etc.
I don't need advice on the Middle East in general, the locals, the value of the local currency, etc. Been there before and seen most negatives as well as positives. I just want to know about present day Dubai, not the way it was two years ago.
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Is the accelerated captain program still in place?
Mate, if you join EK now you will wait at least 6- 7 yers for a command if you are lucky. Irrespective of your previous experience ....
Do some research before you decide to come here.... you WILL regret it- I promise!!
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I'll try again:
Is the accelerated captain program still in place for those who are captains when they apply?
What is Dubai like now, compared to before the financial crisis? Rent, school fees, availability of good schools, traffic, etc.
I don't need advice on the Middle East in general, the locals, the value of the local currency, etc. Been there before and seen most negatives as well as positives. I just want to know about present day Dubai, not the way it was two years ago.
I'm not asking if it works or not, I'm asking if EK has such a program.
Is the accelerated captain program still in place for those who are captains when they apply?
What is Dubai like now, compared to before the financial crisis? Rent, school fees, availability of good schools, traffic, etc.
I don't need advice on the Middle East in general, the locals, the value of the local currency, etc. Been there before and seen most negatives as well as positives. I just want to know about present day Dubai, not the way it was two years ago.
I'm not asking if it works or not, I'm asking if EK has such a program.
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Is the accelerated captain program still in place for those who are captains when they apply?
Rent, school fees, availability of good schools, traffic, etc.
Schools are available, although you might not get your kids into the one you want. They are quite expensive. Emirates pays most, but you will have to put in a bit yourself..
Traffic.....The traffic is about the same as anywhere else in the world, however, the driving discipline is pretty poor. Expect to be quite defensive in your technique.
What is Dubai like now, compared to before the financial crisis?
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Do you have the option to choose your own housing with an allowance, or are you forced to take company housing?
I know schools used to be a problem, but searching other sites there seems to be a different situation now after the recent exodus of western expats.
Traffic must have eased some as well?
If you have nothing to say, then please don't.
I know schools used to be a problem, but searching other sites there seems to be a different situation now after the recent exodus of western expats.
Traffic must have eased some as well?
If you have nothing to say, then please don't.
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ManaAdaSystem
allow me to say something?
Your questions would find a clear answer, if gone through the search function. Or through the EK websites as a matter of fact.
Your condescending tone is therefore misplaced.
Please do come here and find out yourself, we desperately need collegues with such an attitude.
Once you discover the truth (which by the way is published right here as well), please come back to this site and report without changing your handler.
allow me to say something?
Your questions would find a clear answer, if gone through the search function. Or through the EK websites as a matter of fact.
Your condescending tone is therefore misplaced.
Please do come here and find out yourself, we desperately need collegues with such an attitude.
Once you discover the truth (which by the way is published right here as well), please come back to this site and report without changing your handler.
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Some advise for Ek new joiners
Dear Ek wannabes pilots,
I am sure that if you apply to Ek is because you can't find anything better.
if you get finally a job offer by ek, this is my advise:
1. Forget about company accomodation, rents in Dubai are a lot cheaper now and probably will be for a couple of years. You will make money out of it.
2. Do not buy a car because if you want to leave later on, you will lose a lot of money. Rent a car when you need it (it's cheap) or use taxis; Anyway, you will be using taxis all the time (no drink and drive in Dubai unless you like jail +deportation)
If you do this two things, you can leave Dubai anytime you want since the contract you sign is worth nothing.
And be ready for the probably worst rosters in your career (specially Airbus fleet). Don't be scared to call sick when your roster doesn't make sense, it is the only weapon pilots have against the company.
Cheers
I am sure that if you apply to Ek is because you can't find anything better.
if you get finally a job offer by ek, this is my advise:
1. Forget about company accomodation, rents in Dubai are a lot cheaper now and probably will be for a couple of years. You will make money out of it.
2. Do not buy a car because if you want to leave later on, you will lose a lot of money. Rent a car when you need it (it's cheap) or use taxis; Anyway, you will be using taxis all the time (no drink and drive in Dubai unless you like jail +deportation)
If you do this two things, you can leave Dubai anytime you want since the contract you sign is worth nothing.
And be ready for the probably worst rosters in your career (specially Airbus fleet). Don't be scared to call sick when your roster doesn't make sense, it is the only weapon pilots have against the company.
Cheers
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Mana,
Out of interest, what command/total experience do you currently have? Let us know, and we can tell you if you qualify (in theory) for the accelerated upgrade programme.
And no you currently don't have an option to 'opt out' of company accommodation.
Out of interest, what command/total experience do you currently have? Let us know, and we can tell you if you qualify (in theory) for the accelerated upgrade programme.
And no you currently don't have an option to 'opt out' of company accommodation.
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I have a tad over 10000 hrs total time with between 3 and 4000 hrs command time. Nearly all on EFIS, 737 size jets. Some wide body time, but no wide body command time.
I don't need to borrow money for a car, nor am I willing to do so. I don't need a Cayenne, a used 4X4, Pajero, Prado, Explorer or Jeep will do fine. Auto trader is full of them.
I don't need to send money back home, so the exchange rate is not a big concern to me. Not until I leave.
I don't need a villa, a 3 bedroom apartment in a nice location will be fine. This doesn't really matter if I can't opt out of the company program.
I don't have a pack of kids, so school cost will not be high.
I have worked in the Middle East before, for a worse company and for less money.
I know what it feels like to go to work and not be sure if you have a job when you get back to base, even if you have crossed all the T's and dotted all the i's during your flights.
I don't fight with security. I wear shoes without metal, I don't wear any jewelery, and I take off my watch and belt when I go through the detectors. I have done so in Dubai on many occasions without any problems.
I know the climate and I know the constant low intensity stress level that follow you everywhere you go in the region.
I know not to read the company memos before flight, but after. Any other practice is detrimental to flight safety.
I know when the store clerk says he will call you back, it will never happen.
I know what a Muslim country is, and I know how to watch my back and guard my steps.
I know, as far as it is possible, how the legal system works. I have been subjected to it.
I have my embassy on my speed dial.
I know the Middle East is no heaven, but to me at least, it was not hell.
I've done some research, but I don't believe everything that is written on this forum. It is dominated by those who don't, not those who do.
I have not found any information on the accelerated program anywhere, so I ask.
I do get some factual information, so thanks to those posters.
I don't need to borrow money for a car, nor am I willing to do so. I don't need a Cayenne, a used 4X4, Pajero, Prado, Explorer or Jeep will do fine. Auto trader is full of them.
I don't need to send money back home, so the exchange rate is not a big concern to me. Not until I leave.
I don't need a villa, a 3 bedroom apartment in a nice location will be fine. This doesn't really matter if I can't opt out of the company program.
I don't have a pack of kids, so school cost will not be high.
I have worked in the Middle East before, for a worse company and for less money.
I know what it feels like to go to work and not be sure if you have a job when you get back to base, even if you have crossed all the T's and dotted all the i's during your flights.
I don't fight with security. I wear shoes without metal, I don't wear any jewelery, and I take off my watch and belt when I go through the detectors. I have done so in Dubai on many occasions without any problems.
I know the climate and I know the constant low intensity stress level that follow you everywhere you go in the region.
I know not to read the company memos before flight, but after. Any other practice is detrimental to flight safety.
I know when the store clerk says he will call you back, it will never happen.
I know what a Muslim country is, and I know how to watch my back and guard my steps.
I know, as far as it is possible, how the legal system works. I have been subjected to it.
I have my embassy on my speed dial.
I know the Middle East is no heaven, but to me at least, it was not hell.
I've done some research, but I don't believe everything that is written on this forum. It is dominated by those who don't, not those who do.
I have not found any information on the accelerated program anywhere, so I ask.
I do get some factual information, so thanks to those posters.
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mana,
yes, the accelerated upgrade policy is still in progress, a 737 type command experience is great, they never had pilots with such enormous experience, I am sure you will be a well deserved captain in no time and bypass all the below standard F/O's in no time.
emirates needs you, come over and teach us how to fly airplanes.
yes, the accelerated upgrade policy is still in progress, a 737 type command experience is great, they never had pilots with such enormous experience, I am sure you will be a well deserved captain in no time and bypass all the below standard F/O's in no time.
emirates needs you, come over and teach us how to fly airplanes.
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oh yea, I forgot, but to have your embassy on speed dial helps a lot, because your country is just waiting to bail you out any time, your country doesn't care about diplomacy and your embassy is just here to help YOU and not do do oil deals or else with the UAE.