Who is happy at ANY ME airline, post here
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Kem,
Let me say it again. An airline is an airline. All airlines have their "superior" management personnel, whether it be Airways, or any of the others. You will find that the airlines around here seem to have their marketing down fairly good, but their operational management can leave a lot to be desired.
You say you are 48. That gives you 17 more years of flying at airways. Seriously, could you spend 17 years away from extended family members, having minimum days off, no matter how many hours you fly, having very little rights as an exapt? It's not about the airline, it is about living in an area and livestyle so different than what you are used to. Believe me, Jamaica is no third world country compared to some of the destinations we fly to.
You have a somewhat stable job. So what if you get bounced back to the right seat, so did I...numerous times. Hey you'll be senior and commuting will get easier. Airways will be around. Sure it looks like a crap job right now and might stay that way for 17 more years. But hopefully your life is defined by you family and friends, not the fact you work for a crap airline. Please, brother, think long and hard about traveling thousands and thousands of miles away just for a better (defined) job.
A lot of the guys posting here live only hours away from the ME. Commuting or traveling to Europe is like commuting from MIA to say SEA. Six or so hours, not 15. It will take you three calendar days of vacation to get to and from the US. Other guys posting here that are happy have had their "alternatives" taken away by either bankrupt airlines or countries where opportunities are very very limited.
And remember, no duty rigs, flying close to 1000 hours a year etc. The captain of the EK MEL accident had flown over 98 hours in the last 30 days. And at EK, the time in the bunk as the augmented crew does not count for your flight time totals (paid-yes).
Now am I happy here? If anyone cares, having no other real choices, lets say I get by. The good news is that everyone is in the same boat so you will make some great lasting friends. But I would trade places with you tomorrow and I am VERY familiar with Airways.
Let me say it again. An airline is an airline. All airlines have their "superior" management personnel, whether it be Airways, or any of the others. You will find that the airlines around here seem to have their marketing down fairly good, but their operational management can leave a lot to be desired.
You say you are 48. That gives you 17 more years of flying at airways. Seriously, could you spend 17 years away from extended family members, having minimum days off, no matter how many hours you fly, having very little rights as an exapt? It's not about the airline, it is about living in an area and livestyle so different than what you are used to. Believe me, Jamaica is no third world country compared to some of the destinations we fly to.
You have a somewhat stable job. So what if you get bounced back to the right seat, so did I...numerous times. Hey you'll be senior and commuting will get easier. Airways will be around. Sure it looks like a crap job right now and might stay that way for 17 more years. But hopefully your life is defined by you family and friends, not the fact you work for a crap airline. Please, brother, think long and hard about traveling thousands and thousands of miles away just for a better (defined) job.
A lot of the guys posting here live only hours away from the ME. Commuting or traveling to Europe is like commuting from MIA to say SEA. Six or so hours, not 15. It will take you three calendar days of vacation to get to and from the US. Other guys posting here that are happy have had their "alternatives" taken away by either bankrupt airlines or countries where opportunities are very very limited.
And remember, no duty rigs, flying close to 1000 hours a year etc. The captain of the EK MEL accident had flown over 98 hours in the last 30 days. And at EK, the time in the bunk as the augmented crew does not count for your flight time totals (paid-yes).
Now am I happy here? If anyone cares, having no other real choices, lets say I get by. The good news is that everyone is in the same boat so you will make some great lasting friends. But I would trade places with you tomorrow and I am VERY familiar with Airways.
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FYI,
Last time I checked, Canada/ Mexico/ US/ Brazil were all farther than Europe.
Yes we do have pilots from Jamaica working in the flight deck at QR.
The lack of roster control does take getting used to. I would rate the lack of input as somewhere in the middle of the pack. General rule of thumb, the amount of roster control is inversely proportional to the distance traveled east from the US/ Europe.
At the end of the day, it is what you make of it.
Last time I checked, Canada/ Mexico/ US/ Brazil were all farther than Europe.
Yes we do have pilots from Jamaica working in the flight deck at QR.
The lack of roster control does take getting used to. I would rate the lack of input as somewhere in the middle of the pack. General rule of thumb, the amount of roster control is inversely proportional to the distance traveled east from the US/ Europe.
At the end of the day, it is what you make of it.
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I'm sorry to hear that so many airlines where the guys come from fall into the 'crappy category'... That'll include BA, BMI, Easyjet, SAA, Swiss to name a few from my joining date and these are obviously crappy 3rd world countries too..
I say to you miserable sods - GET A LIFE! If you're going to spend your whole life moaning then I'm not interested.. For you it will ALWAYS be glass half empty, wherever you go and however green the grass is.. Neither do I have any sympathy for those who didn't do their homework BEFORE moving to the ME
What the heck did you really expect?????????? Are you really as stupid as you seem to be??????? Mensa????????? Oxymoron that one
As I said - I like my job, I like living in DXB, not at all happy with the personnel levels above us but things will change - for our benefit!!
I say to you miserable sods - GET A LIFE! If you're going to spend your whole life moaning then I'm not interested.. For you it will ALWAYS be glass half empty, wherever you go and however green the grass is.. Neither do I have any sympathy for those who didn't do their homework BEFORE moving to the ME
What the heck did you really expect?????????? Are you really as stupid as you seem to be??????? Mensa????????? Oxymoron that oneAs I said - I like my job, I like living in DXB, not at all happy with the personnel levels above us but things will change - for our benefit!!
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Dude, let me know when you want to trade places. My not liking Airways has nothing to do with the type of flying that I do. I am losing 2k per month in salary come January. Just had the two older children graduate from college, one more to go. I have a LOT of expenses!
The one thing that I notice that we all agree on is the practices of CEOs is universal! Things just get worse here at Airways every day. I was originally America West, so if you are familiar with Airways, then you know all about USAPA. It REALLY sucks when you pay dues to a union that basically was formed to overturn an arbitrated seniority list. not They don't have the west pilot groups' best interest at heart. That came out in court! DFR trial.
So, between USAPA, CEO DP, losing 2k per month in pay I have reached my personal threshold as to how much of the BS I can take. So rather than stay at Airways and bitch about the things I can't take there, I chose to make the move.
Yes I heard all the negatives about the ME, but my wife and I are quite ready to make the move. Yes she has been to the ME three times already. I just want to work get paid and be unknown. Everyone has some special place they call home, the USA isn't it for me, so if I am not in Jamaica, then I might as well be anywhere. MY opinion, and you know what they say about opinions......
Dude, let me know when you want to trade places. My not liking Airways has nothing to do with the type of flying that I do. I am losing 2k per month in salary come January. Just had the two older children graduate from college, one more to go. I have a LOT of expenses!
The one thing that I notice that we all agree on is the practices of CEOs is universal! Things just get worse here at Airways every day. I was originally America West, so if you are familiar with Airways, then you know all about USAPA. It REALLY sucks when you pay dues to a union that basically was formed to overturn an arbitrated seniority list. not They don't have the west pilot groups' best interest at heart. That came out in court! DFR trial.
So, between USAPA, CEO DP, losing 2k per month in pay I have reached my personal threshold as to how much of the BS I can take. So rather than stay at Airways and bitch about the things I can't take there, I chose to make the move.
Yes I heard all the negatives about the ME, but my wife and I are quite ready to make the move. Yes she has been to the ME three times already. I just want to work get paid and be unknown. Everyone has some special place they call home, the USA isn't it for me, so if I am not in Jamaica, then I might as well be anywhere. MY opinion, and you know what they say about opinions......
