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Old 14th Aug 2009, 13:28
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Just checked on the portal, captain still flying as a captain and FO still removed from roster. He presented his appeal a few days ago and still waiting the outcome.
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Old 14th Aug 2009, 16:42
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It's got nothing to do with war/civil unrest guys. It was some of the pax who complained
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Old 14th Aug 2009, 17:19
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So we get fired/demoted now when pax complain?

Make sure you bring that up during the next SEP when they tell the cabin crew that they can press charges against abusive pax and the company will back them up.
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Old 14th Aug 2009, 21:37
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Its got nothing to do with pax taking the photo it was actually EK ground staff.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 00:20
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We should all start writing up the ground staff in CMB if this is true.
They are useless their anyway. Every flight write a complaint, it's not hard to find mistakes to write up.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 04:37
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xkred,

And who will that help?

What's happened is bad because someone has lost their livelyhood. Your solution? See if we can get someone ELSE (Probably a poorly paid guy trying to feed his family on a pittence in a third world country) to lose THEIR job, and hopefully start a tit-fot-tat war in the process.

Pretty petty and not at all helpful....
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 09:01
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Wisofoz is right, by the way
I have seen some of our new pilots (in the four or five year range), doing many stupid things, both technically and/or socially.

Everyone here must remember that Emirates IS NOT a normal airline in a normal country. Employees are not supported by any laws. Every rule here is to protect the company, not you. They are bound by religion, costumes, and money, money, money. Any real or perceived threat to any of those and you are on your way home. Trust me.

That AS and ED blabber about support is nonsense.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 09:14
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For perspective, AS and ED's advice that they will support pilots is restricted to supporting that pilot when he/she has done something based on doing the best they can, with responsible use of resources (i.e. info gathering) and making a decision/taking a course of action based on the best info available to him/her.

Not defending anyone in particular, and ignoring the outcomes of some recent events for a second, if you don't follow the rules or take reasonable steps to get all the info relating to the problem, how can you expect support? Not knowing the rules is not a reasonable defence. Anywhere.

Could you defend someone who didn't follow the rules (that's the game we are in) when they had a choice? Like to see you try...
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 10:49
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Fair enough but...

When you can get fired over a single line of more than 3000 pages of rules...

FCOM 1-2-3-4
QRH
FCTM
OMC
FOM
AFM
MEL
CCEM
Cabin Logbook
Aircraft Logbook
CDL
Aircraft Library
LIDO text Book
LIDO Approach Chart
LIDO En-Route Chart
OPT Manual
Dangerous Good Manual
CAP 413 ( Radio Telephony)
NOTAMS
SIGMETS
Employee Handbook
Every Single Country RULES ( about 80 )

AS WELL AS WITH

FCI (# seventy something)
FCN(# ?)
FTN(??)
Emails: (DL instructions)
Alerts on F.O.I.P
Managements on F.O.I.P
Weekly Reports
My Mint
Vistair
Pelesys
Training Info on F.O.I.P

PLUS...

FCOM Amendments
Temporary Revisions
O.E.B Airbus /Boeing
O.E.B Emirates
FCOM Bulletins

And make sure you are to the standards of...

OMD
FCTP
FTM 1-2
APT 2
Recurrent Manual
Conversion Training Manual

DID I FORGET SOMETHING??????? (Please add what i forgot)

When they say they will back you up if you stay within SOP, they mean all of the above. Like very well said before the rules are there to protect the company from us. They expect you to operate on limits constantly ( Exemple:Max weight, Min Fuel, Max Duty...) They are almost perfect. Proof is they constantly have to rewrite some SOP procedures so we remain sitting ducks. How can you be aware of about 3000 pages of constantly changing information. But if you are not happy you can leave... If you stay be ready to be as good as your last flight and everything will be okay. This is just how it is around here Take it or leave it! Where is the rule about the pics i did not find it?

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Old 15th Aug 2009, 12:12
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Beautifully said, EKpilot!!
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 12:32
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Alerts on F.O.I.P
Managements on F.O.I.P
Weekly Reports
Interesting point as there is no mandate (afaik) to read any of what appears on the portal however as you pointed out they'll be quick to hang you should you operate in contravention of any of the "suggestions" contained therein - emails, weekly updates, etc. They used to put that sort of thing in the mailboxes but much CHEAPER to email it to you.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 14:19
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ekpilot: you've missed one of the 3000 pages...

.... on whch you will find the welcome news that you are bound by nothing contained in the AFM: it is a dead document.

That probably takes your total down to 2870 or so.

Keep reading.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 19:48
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Wiz of OZ

of course your right, let's as pilots accept some 3rd world moron dob us in
and lose our jobs. If their some poor schmuck, then they should do their job and mind their fu#@ing business what we do.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 20:46
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Xred,

Yes, they should.

Would mounting a campain to dob THEM in make it more or less likely that they would take the oppertunity to see US sacked?

Accrimony towards them has made you keen to seek revenge. Why should they be any different?
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 22:12
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Wiz,
You worry about revenge from their part but they've already done it...!! A dose of their own medicine may well make them think twice.
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 06:34
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IH,

Have you ever been involved in a dispute where that worked? Or has it led to escallation of the conflict and more damage on BOTH sides?
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 06:41
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Like aiming point says!!! How long do we get pushed,poked and prodded before someone stands their ground and pushes back!! To answer your question, several times and yes milk may get spilt but it never happened again.
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 07:52
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The mess of information coming through the various channels, some controlled and some uncontrolled, I believe is actually a good defence.

The company has lost control of the flow of data. So many manuals have duplicated, contradictory data. So many channels are uncontrolled. The authenticity of the information is often at question. Much is not part of the legal documentation so can be ignored.

I think if if got to a legal scrap after some kind of omission resulting in action against a crew, a good lawyer would have much to work with. Some serious questions would be asked higher up and embarrassment and dismissal of those responsible would probably result from the legal argument.

Stick to the basic SOP, forget the rest. Its impossible to keep up. Take out some good legal insurance. Write the odd email about the overload of information and changes, and keep it on record.

If ever anyone throws the book at you sling it right back.
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 12:47
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...And how ridiculous that the proposed target of your "Fight for our rights" campain are the ground staff in CMB! Like THEY are our biggest problem!
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Old 3rd Sep 2009, 15:56
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Heard rumblings that an EK A380 FO was sacked recently. Can anyone confirm or deny this rumour??

Was told it had something to do regarding commuting to Europe and got caught doing it on standby days....
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