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Old 20th Apr 2009, 16:56
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Where was it again? Those 20 chinese who died in that sea container 2 years ago. Was it holland or belgium? For sure they where on there way to the UK. All legally of course with a opportunity to back out whenever they wanted to.
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Old 20th Apr 2009, 17:46
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rubik101,

You do talk a load of rubbish. The II's may well not have passports but the majority of legal immigrants have and can leave when they like. In DXB we're talking about legally arrived workers who have their passports taken away
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 08:03
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No sanddude, obvious to the rest of the world, it wasn't legal, and is not condoned by any government. That's what makes it different It does not make it less tragic...
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 22:49
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after some days, there are still the same pro-s and contra-s for this topic.

some said that UAE is not perfect, but wich country in the world is? and others said okey, but indeed, it's disgusting what goes on in Dubai e.g.

you know what? i'm starting to feel that i have to leave the EU (not only because i'm from the central-eastern part of it; even the western part i would like to avoid.)

since several months, news about nepotism and hypocrisy in EU states makes me feel sad. why are we speaking of well-established democracy and human rights, green economy etc. if (just for a stupid example) the german members of the ComitÚ can force the modification of the new law for the emission quotas of automobiles, in favour of their internal interest...(the original version wouldn't be so hard to bear.)

successfully, not to mention, and totally lacking conformity to the interest of our environment.
and so on, there are so many stories like this.

i'm not judgeing anyone, we all are just human beings, make mistakes etc.
i just can't take hypocrisy.

yes, Dubai's government is not aware of lot of things, for example construction companies taking passports etc. (at least; but maybe they are, but don't care a penny.) just like in every other countries, in other cases.

what a lot of guys are asking here, including me, is just to have a perspective.

are we aware of the things going on in EU offices, comitÚs and institutions? do we read every single documents on their websites? are we protesting against every single decision wich is against nature or our interest?

our continent, system, people or anything like that is simply not better than other. this shows in the fact how the many of expats behave in leading positions in other continents, such as in Dubai...

we hold the key: not with silly articles lacking perspective, but with well-directed reports to the governments (for those whom is possible), and to international, civil institutions.

and at least but not last, with our determination to be "human" in every sense, to follow the basic ethics, morality, and to be an honest person. (anyway, this includes the perspective to issues like this, and to think about the things behind.)

okey, it's a bit pathetic and soap-opera-like, but i really believe this.

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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 07:48
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Just one thing I would like to say.

To all the people that live in EU and complain about how sh!it things are!
Most of you have not even been to the ME so you know nothing about the place (or been on layover for a day or two). You dont know how good you have it in EU and try to look up places like Dubai with no human rights, no fredom of speech, run by morans. (talking about ME)
Some of you just talk alot of rubbish and try to compare ME to EU.
For those of you that try to convince you self that Dubai isnt that bad (bacuse you alredy there), I bet you that you would go back only if theres was a job with any major EU airline. Most of you (same as me) are here coz theres no better choice but would rather live somewhere else, just trying to convince your self that Dubai, Bahrain or Doha is what you really want.
Say whatever you want but deep inside you know that this place is sh!t.
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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 14:31
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GBB, you can only speak for yourself. however you feel or what ever you thing you know, I really do not care. You cannot speak for me or many others that do enjoy Dubai. I have lived in South America, USA, and ME. And I can tell you that I have not desire to go back to either one.
Say what ever you want to say, but do not speak for others
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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 18:38
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EU

is not a perfect place, however it is very stupid to compare the EU or the USA to the GCC. Again everyone who holds a EU or US passport has recourse to the law of the respective country just like a citizen. Unemployment insurance, pension fund, civil rights, labor laws, right to join a labor union,minimum wage, right to sponsor family members etc, etc,,,,
Just get this in your numb skulls: There are millions of people who would like to join this system from Asia, India, Mexico, Africa etc, and yes there is criminal abuse, slavery, human trafficking, sex trade by various criminal organizations in the EU and their home countries.

But the GCC is a whole different system. The GCC as a rich countries exploit and enslave the poor nation in Asia on purpose and they know very well what they do when they take the passports away. They have no interest to improve the situation of the laborers, maids and other slaves. The news article makes it very clear what the mindset of the locals is. Exactly the same opinion that our locals in the cockpit have.
Once I showed on of these guys my electricity and water bill, he was shocked and said he never saw a water bill in his life!
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Old 23rd Apr 2009, 10:24
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Originally Posted by FlyingCroc View Post
is not a perfect place, however it is very stupid to compare the EU or the USA to the GCC.
I would agree - considering that the UAE is is only 37 years old (I'm older than that!) then it really is a bit naive of people to expect that it will have the same laws and regulations in place as some of the oldest developed nations in the world.

Yes there are some things they could do better - and there are some laws that need better enforcement - but they are getting there. The rate of growth of the economy and society has been phenomenal - for people to whine that not everything is as well done in other more developed countries is rather petty.

It's a young country - give it a chance and it will get there. After all the countries of Europe have had hundreds of years and they still havn't got it all right.
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Old 23rd Apr 2009, 10:27
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Originally Posted by GBB View Post
I bet you that you would go back only if theres was a job with any major EU airline.
Many people working here left major EU airlines.


Most of you (same as me) are here coz theres no better choice
Just because you cannot get a job in Europe I wouldn't tar everyone with the same brush.
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Old 23rd Apr 2009, 17:05
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Just hope no more people end up like this poor gent:

ABC News Exclusive: Torture Tape Implicates UAE Royal Sheikh - ABC News

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Old 23rd Apr 2009, 17:14
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And what is going to happen to that Sheikh? NOTHING
Now imagine any of EU PMs doing that and somebody vidoe taping it... He would end up in jail for very long time!
They might have 7 stars hotel, nice cars and big airplanes but they are still a 3rd world country!
I still think that people trying to defend this place must be "locals", blind or somebody is paying them to do so...
Petro-dollars will finish sooner or later and all this is going to turn against them.

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Old 24th Apr 2009, 09:15
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Aljazeera Documentary

Aljazeera documentary aired an excellent show lately about Dubai entitled "Dubai .. big dream for small emirate", addressing both economic success and social troubles plus negative sceneries of expatriates from other countries. It also covers an overview about success of Emirates Airlines.


I personally do not like Dubai but I think the programme is very objective and worth to watch, giving a balance of bad and good things. Just follow up the schedule from aljazeera documentary site to know about it. It is repeated several times.

Last night, I watched a show on Dubai TV with two journalists describing western media as biased and feel jealous because of Dubai success!! Even ruler of Dubai started to respond to media speculations about his health and Dubai economy.

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Old 26th Apr 2009, 15:21
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This incident is really shameful!! although i have some questions around it.

maybe it's better to wait where it will end.

if you want more forecast: what will Western countries, as well as international companies do?
nothing. no bans, no embargo.

that is shameful as well, not?

oh, sorry for telling this; oh yes, it's "not adequate" to compare such things...
you know what? i'm not comparing...

but a person with normal thoughts asks continuously. the one is shameful, the other as well. without comparing the quality or amount of the shame in them.

offence against Justice (with capital) is shameful, whoever commits it in any degree.
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Old 26th Apr 2009, 15:56
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Oh really !!!!!

I am not even going to waste my time to reply to any of these posts......
Wake up this is the third world......

Debbie Schlussel

Happy viewing.
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Old 26th Apr 2009, 17:30
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Debbie is a bit of a babe - but she ain't much cop as a reporter.

When you see all the skyscrapers and fancy hotels of Dubai....
Dubai is fast running out of oil...
And where are Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, and all the other faux-humanitarian celebs--all of whom hang out in the UAE's Dubai
Doesn't the dumb blonde know that this mush lives in Abu Dhabi
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Old 26th Apr 2009, 23:50
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Mr Mugabe,

absolutely right...

just to add: the whole World is a real Third World.

ethics and charity became distant memories, in almost every corner of the Earth...

free thinking in West with no influence of politics to journalism? sweet paradise in Far-East with palm trees and white sand? come on...
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Old 30th Apr 2009, 02:46
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Interesting to listen to the deafening silence in the Muslim world over this tape. Obviously, it's fine to beat the living sh1t out of a fellow believer (over a matter of $5000, no less), as long as you're a good old Sheikh.

Imagine, if that had been, let's say, an American beating up an Afghani?

The mind boggles.
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Old 30th Apr 2009, 18:27
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The GN carried a piece about it today. Lets see what happens.

By the way LLUKE are you claiming human trafficing is legal in the UAE?
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Old 16th May 2009, 20:48
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This sort of thing never happened to Native Americans when the West was being 'won'.

Play ball with me and I'll shove the bat right up your arse.

And by the way, all of Dakota's mine, not yours.

They made made us many promises, and they kept only one: They promised to take our land, and they took it.

And that was how the 'West' was one.
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Old 17th May 2009, 04:47
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Monty77,

Another bit of "Euro Relativism" huh?

By in large most of those affected seem to be from outside the United States and Dubai itself.

My guess is that it's pretty sorry behavior if you have to go back 150 years ago to make these clowns look good. Don't let that stop your whiny, idiotic logic if it makes you feel better.

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