Confirm/affirm Cancer Spreading
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Confirm/affirm Cancer Spreading
Anybody noticed the confirm/afirm Cancer of Indian radio creeping into the M/E recently............Indecisive,insecure,irresponsible it may be, just wish they would keep it "over there".
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At least they don't usually include that pretentious ***ing "THE" before their callsign, a truly cringeworthy affectation apparently beloved by all too many among the ranks of India's former colonial overlords.
Mangalore this XYZ
XYZ this Mangalore
XYZ maintaining level 340 squark 1234 estimate BBL 01:23
XYZ confirm maintaining level 340
Confirmed XYZ
Raj, confirm squark 1234
Confirmed XYZ
Raj, what is your estimate BBL?
Estimate BBL 01:23 XYZ
Raj, at BBL contact Mumbai on 123.45, happy landings
Try that on new years eve and throw 2.3 million Happy New Years!
Namaskar, happy landings, happy new year
halas
XYZ this Mangalore
XYZ maintaining level 340 squark 1234 estimate BBL 01:23
XYZ confirm maintaining level 340
Confirmed XYZ
Raj, confirm squark 1234
Confirmed XYZ
Raj, what is your estimate BBL?
Estimate BBL 01:23 XYZ
Raj, at BBL contact Mumbai on 123.45, happy landings
Try that on new years eve and throw 2.3 million Happy New Years!
Namaskar, happy landings, happy new year
halas
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Ah, the high and mighty....
The proper response to a "confirm" question is either "Affirm" or "Negative", not "Confirmed".
In very dodgy ATC environments like the sub-continent, it is very hard to tell the difference between "Confirmed" and "Confirm".
The proper response to a "confirm" question is either "Affirm" or "Negative", not "Confirmed".
In very dodgy ATC environments like the sub-continent, it is very hard to tell the difference between "Confirmed" and "Confirm".
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Generally speaking Radio in M/E(not only indian..) is sometime far away from the standard Phraseology..!
Some people unfortunatly has never learn the basic:
-THINK BEFORE you transmit!(to aviod blank,eeuuh...and blocking the frequency for ages..)
-LISTEN BEFORE you transmit !(you are not the only one on frequency!)
-BE CONCISE when you transmit,it's an ATC frequency not a Chatting space.
-CALL SIGN has to be mentioned in any transmission!(at the beginning when it's a request.., at the end when it's a read back of a clearance!)
-IN SHA ALLAH is not part of the international standard phraseology;
"Qatar XYZ Damascus confirm your registrtion.."
"Qatar XYZ ,registration A7-XYZ,IN SHA ALLAH!"
The best i have ever heard!
Safe flight.
Some people unfortunatly has never learn the basic:
-THINK BEFORE you transmit!(to aviod blank,eeuuh...and blocking the frequency for ages..)
-LISTEN BEFORE you transmit !(you are not the only one on frequency!)
-BE CONCISE when you transmit,it's an ATC frequency not a Chatting space.
-CALL SIGN has to be mentioned in any transmission!(at the beginning when it's a request.., at the end when it's a read back of a clearance!)
-IN SHA ALLAH is not part of the international standard phraseology;
"Qatar XYZ Damascus confirm your registrtion.."
"Qatar XYZ ,registration A7-XYZ,IN SHA ALLAH!"
The best i have ever heard!
Safe flight.
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Mate, have you been to Italian airspace...??? "Brindisiiiiii, eeeeeh, buongiornooooo, Alitaliaaaaaaa eeeeeh 506 /digits in italian/" or maybe in France they stick to the proper phrases... Just laugh and switch over to the next sector. 
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Well, at least they don't require Divine intervention to receive an airways or landing clearance. Could be worse and talk like IBs countrymen.."OooKaay, understaaand cleared three farve ooh, vacatin' naarn point two.
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Sorry but I just have to say my piece.
the level of RT professionalism in QA is well below pathetic. Might be OK for the sub-continent, but more than 90% of our guys would never pass an ICAO radio license oral exam (if one existed).
and can someone please tell me what the term.. 'Charlie, Charlie' means.. I have been wondering that for years, and when I query the guy who just said it.. well the idiotic responses I usually get just makes me laugh.
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the level of RT professionalism in QA is well below pathetic. Might be OK for the sub-continent, but more than 90% of our guys would never pass an ICAO radio license oral exam (if one existed).
and can someone please tell me what the term.. 'Charlie, Charlie' means.. I have been wondering that for years, and when I query the guy who just said it.. well the idiotic responses I usually get just makes me laugh.
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Ah yes "charlie charlie" ....
If my memory during the days of being a
Radio operator serves me well, it was used when transmitting morse on HF as an abbreviation for "confirmed". We'd transmit -.-. (C) twice - ie. two C's rather than keying the full word. How the hell it made it into aircraft radio telephony is amusing, especially in that I doubt many that say it actually know it's origin!
If my memory during the days of being a
Radio operator serves me well, it was used when transmitting morse on HF as an abbreviation for "confirmed". We'd transmit -.-. (C) twice - ie. two C's rather than keying the full word. How the hell it made it into aircraft radio telephony is amusing, especially in that I doubt many that say it actually know it's origin!
Charlie
Charlie comes from the International Flag signal - viz Code Charlie. When the the code pennant "Charlie" was hoisted two blocks at the yardarm it signified understanding the signal hoisted on another ship.
Our cousins in the New World naval forces loved to show off their maritime tradition by replying "Charlie" on voice for an affirmative. Likewise in the mess, when someone ripped in, they would shout Code Golf, meaning "Gas alert".
Somehow maritime traditions from the middle of the last century have crossed over the last fifty years into aviation.
BTW, It may actually be correct and proper to reply :Charlie" when radio propagation conditions are poor.
Our cousins in the New World naval forces loved to show off their maritime tradition by replying "Charlie" on voice for an affirmative. Likewise in the mess, when someone ripped in, they would shout Code Golf, meaning "Gas alert".
Somehow maritime traditions from the middle of the last century have crossed over the last fifty years into aviation.
BTW, It may actually be correct and proper to reply :Charlie" when radio propagation conditions are poor.