Emirates Grows in 2009/New Destinations Merged
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There are no specific requirement, at least as far as I understand, but simply an analysis of each situation.
In this case, EK would have the benefit of severing several Cdn cities and syphoning traffic from Cdn (and Alliance) carriers. Canada would have only Dubai or AUH to serve and since the cities are so close they can realistically be considered one destination.
The benefit is lop sided. There are several remedies that can be negotiated to even the benefit but I am not sure the UAE is willing.
In any case, it can be solved but it has to be negotiated. The UAE/EK has been public in trying to get the airport authorities and cities to push the Federal Govt into allowing the flights and I imagine those types of tactics do not go down well.
In this case, EK would have the benefit of severing several Cdn cities and syphoning traffic from Cdn (and Alliance) carriers. Canada would have only Dubai or AUH to serve and since the cities are so close they can realistically be considered one destination.
The benefit is lop sided. There are several remedies that can be negotiated to even the benefit but I am not sure the UAE is willing.
In any case, it can be solved but it has to be negotiated. The UAE/EK has been public in trying to get the airport authorities and cities to push the Federal Govt into allowing the flights and I imagine those types of tactics do not go down well.
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Is it lopsided - the Canuks could possibly fly their own airliners from Calgary, Vancouver or Toronto to DXB and AUH, but it's a very protectionist and out dated policy by Transport Canada.....
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airbusa330,
Singapore Airlines is cutting 11% from capacity, this year... not growth at all.
as for the global crap: to blame not only economics, but "simple", everyday-people who took mortgages and other loans over their capacity...
bye
Singapore Airlines is cutting 11% from capacity, this year... not growth at all.
as for the global crap: to blame not only economics, but "simple", everyday-people who took mortgages and other loans over their capacity...
bye
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troff,
I heard the party will happen at bubbles mansion in YHZ, bubbles will play with rush, the after party will be at the lower deck or pogue fado.
mr.lehy will be at the door
I heard the party will happen at bubbles mansion in YHZ, bubbles will play with rush, the after party will be at the lower deck or pogue fado.
mr.lehy will be at the door
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Yep SQ are cutting what are the rest doing?Expanding?The Government failed these souls as it should have put a cap on borrowing especially without deposit, but they too saw it as a revenue generator albeit short sighted as the fallout has cost it many times over. Clever government chaps.
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I must say I`m glad someone at Transport Canada is saying " No " to EK ,and EY for the time being. This is the kind of responsible negotiating that is needed up against an opaque and utterly state funded enterprise which is both UAE Airlines..... For once someone in government is standing up to " Special interests " and saying piss off. Those posters here supporting EK and EY are doing this out of self interest. By this I mean all those Canadians at EK who want this to happen just so they can travel " home " for free , and say screw what happens in the Canadian economy. The idea of " free market " forces applying here is BS. We just found out the hard way what happens when " the Market " is allowed a free hand.( Especially when that market is based on an endless supply of state $$$ ...) Don`t piss on my leg and tell me it`s raining , said Judge Judy.
Well said Trader by the way.
Well said Trader by the way.
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6000pic - Ek IS NOT state funded, rather the other way round.. The money that EK pays to the gov't of Dubai is huge - that's why we don't get so much of the profit
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Come on White Night , do you really believe that ??? When did you see the publicly published accounts of EK ? Transparency is in the eye of the beholder , and opaqueness is as common as baksheesh.
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Trader and 6000PIC. I agree on this one. The Cannuks are wise I feel on this issue. Similar to the Kiwi,s not allowing the sale of Auckland Airport to Dubai a year or so ago. Free trade etc is all well and good , but there is not enough transparency in the way EK conduct their bussiness to allow for such a "free market".
EK/EY could be like bringing a gun to a knife fight. Until the Cannucks can establish that it is in fact a gun fight they are involved in.
Although on a flip side of course it would be great for all the Cannucks based here ( and create jobs in Canada).
Like everything there are so many arguments for and against.
EK/EY could be like bringing a gun to a knife fight. Until the Cannucks can establish that it is in fact a gun fight they are involved in.
Although on a flip side of course it would be great for all the Cannucks based here ( and create jobs in Canada).
Like everything there are so many arguments for and against.
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What is required for EK to do business abroad is negotiating partners that are sufficiently empowered and inherently self interested to be "wowed" by the "grandeur" of corruption , greed and easy money. Thankfully the Canadians aren`t allowing promises of gold to cloud out fair mindedness. I hope the best for EK , but until they come clean with their accounting practices , revenue streams , etc , they don`t deserve a seat at the negotiating table.
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More than enough indians for everybody.
Ek fly 8 times a day to London, 2x Man, 2x Bhx, 1x Ncl and 1x Gla.
So thats 14 times a day to Uk. I have no idea how many times EY flys to UK but my point is that the 3x Lhr BA and VS flights are (Were) always full.
Not sure what Transport Canada is afraid of by letting EK fly in more but
lets face it 90% of the pax for YYZ come from India. Now as far as I know AC don't fly direct to India but only offer it through STAR parters.
Surely there are enough Indians for everybody!!!
Sure the Pax don't start in DXB the old O and D pax thing but how many pax on BA or UA or any other airline start in India?
However I respect Transport Canada's decision to stick two fingers up to anybody they wish.
In Dxb we see the locals being protected and rightly so some say, funny how emirates doesn't like it when the Canadians protect their locals (AC) even if it doesn't really make much sense.
Now anybody heard anything about the 777F that was supposed to turn up in March? Some one said they couldn't get finance as it a frieghter..(Just a rumour though)
Ta BM
No offense meant to Indians by the way.
So thats 14 times a day to Uk. I have no idea how many times EY flys to UK but my point is that the 3x Lhr BA and VS flights are (Were) always full.
Not sure what Transport Canada is afraid of by letting EK fly in more but
lets face it 90% of the pax for YYZ come from India. Now as far as I know AC don't fly direct to India but only offer it through STAR parters.
Surely there are enough Indians for everybody!!!
Sure the Pax don't start in DXB the old O and D pax thing but how many pax on BA or UA or any other airline start in India?
However I respect Transport Canada's decision to stick two fingers up to anybody they wish.
In Dxb we see the locals being protected and rightly so some say, funny how emirates doesn't like it when the Canadians protect their locals (AC) even if it doesn't really make much sense.
Now anybody heard anything about the 777F that was supposed to turn up in March? Some one said they couldn't get finance as it a frieghter..(Just a rumour though)
Ta BM
No offense meant to Indians by the way.
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6000PIC,
Not wanting to P1ss on your camp fire, but try this link out http://www.ekgroup.com/Annualreports...rReport_EK.pdf.
You will see Price Waterhouse Coopers independent financial audit for the EK group last year.
I guess you will still come up with some unfounded drivel about EK not paying landing fees or getting free fuel (would that not mean we would tanker outbound on EVERY single flight??) -- Incidentally, the UAE doesn't refine its oil, it actually purchases its Jet A1 from Singapore.
Not having a pop mate, just correcting you with FACTS before you spout any more unfounded/un-researched crap
Not wanting to P1ss on your camp fire, but try this link out http://www.ekgroup.com/Annualreports...rReport_EK.pdf.
You will see Price Waterhouse Coopers independent financial audit for the EK group last year.
I guess you will still come up with some unfounded drivel about EK not paying landing fees or getting free fuel (would that not mean we would tanker outbound on EVERY single flight??) -- Incidentally, the UAE doesn't refine its oil, it actually purchases its Jet A1 from Singapore.
Not having a pop mate, just correcting you with FACTS before you spout any more unfounded/un-researched crap
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hi all!
airbusa330, cool that you revised your opinion!
i didn't say banks and governments are innocent newborns.
but, if someone could be fooled with miraculous PR-stuff and other things, and doesn't take time to sit down and evaluate, just follows the "buy more, take loan"-way...well... no comment.
i'm really sorry for every "poor soul", as you said, but maybe this big crap will make people grow up a little...
ON
so, what about Emirates cutting China-routes vs. 14% growth?
bye
airbusa330, cool that you revised your opinion!
i didn't say banks and governments are innocent newborns.
but, if someone could be fooled with miraculous PR-stuff and other things, and doesn't take time to sit down and evaluate, just follows the "buy more, take loan"-way...well... no comment.
i'm really sorry for every "poor soul", as you said, but maybe this big crap will make people grow up a little...
ON
so, what about Emirates cutting China-routes vs. 14% growth?
bye
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Freighter being delivered at the end of the month -crewed partly by freighter boys fresh out of training, it must be as good as it gets: new on type + get hands on brand new a/c, good for them - at least they now how to cook the food and make coffee for the 2 main line guys!!!! (how many will bite at that?)
As for expansion, we have to expand as we can't afford to pay the massive penalties for not taking the aircraft ordered - that's oficial. Hence why we have to work harder, more aircraft but frozen recruitment - I can see the problem with that cunning plan already - they never learn!!!
As for canada the airline structure has always been dodgy, so they will try to protect Air Canada as much as possible. No one likes to see a national carrier go down the tube, however in the current climate I'm not sure it will be able to survive, unless there is a large amount of help from the government, but they have enough problems to deal with without having to bail out Air Canada. So if it does fold there will be a large void, hence they will need someone else flying in, so give them time and I'm sure they will let EK in - how else will all the canadian national indians get their extended families out there!!!
As for expansion, we have to expand as we can't afford to pay the massive penalties for not taking the aircraft ordered - that's oficial. Hence why we have to work harder, more aircraft but frozen recruitment - I can see the problem with that cunning plan already - they never learn!!!
As for canada the airline structure has always been dodgy, so they will try to protect Air Canada as much as possible. No one likes to see a national carrier go down the tube, however in the current climate I'm not sure it will be able to survive, unless there is a large amount of help from the government, but they have enough problems to deal with without having to bail out Air Canada. So if it does fold there will be a large void, hence they will need someone else flying in, so give them time and I'm sure they will let EK in - how else will all the canadian national indians get their extended families out there!!!
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BYMOEK,
EK is part of the holding's of someone that is a part of the family that is part of the Gov. How s that? I think you know what I mean. But the money flows the s other way -EK to Dubai Gov. Not that much this year I would assume.
EK is part of the holding's of someone that is a part of the family that is part of the Gov. How s that? I think you know what I mean. But the money flows the s other way -EK to Dubai Gov. Not that much this year I would assume.
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Are there plans to make Abidjan (currently routed via Accra), Entebbe (Addis Abeba), Malta (via Larnaca), Hong Kong (some flights via Bangkok) or further routes with stopovers nonstop? Would be interesting to be if they now have enough traffic to serve them nonstop (as Tunis/Tripoli which got delinked).