Emirates Grows in 2009/New Destinations Merged
So what destinations are on their radar?
But ONLY when we can make money out of them!!
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More Canada but Less China
Trying for Vancouver and Calgary but transport Canada is not playing, even with SIA coming off Vancouver.
Link.
Emirates Airlines strives to expand Canadian service
And losing a few flights to China. PEK and PVG down from 14 to 12 a week each.
http://www.business24-7.ae//Articles...b783e4fbd.aspx
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Emirates Airlines strives to expand Canadian service
And losing a few flights to China. PEK and PVG down from 14 to 12 a week each.
http://www.business24-7.ae//Articles...b783e4fbd.aspx
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Apparently 380 to YYZ on June 1st. There goes that nice layover for the boeing guys, at least you may be able to get on a id90 to yyz now. Damn canadian government.
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UAE Canada frequency
Does anyone have any idea why there is a limit on why there are only six flights allowed per week tfom the UAE to Canada?
The Canadian Gov't must be nuts saying that there are enough flights to handle the load. The airplane is always packed and pax are regularly turned away. Recent flight back I was on had eight staff travelling stand by left behind as well as revenue pax.
Is it AC trying to protect their "market share" should they ever fly YYZ-DXB on their own 777's?
If so, would it not be a situation where the "tail is wagging the dog" regarding Canadian transport policy, or has this sort of thing been going on for some time?
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The Canadian Gov't must be nuts saying that there are enough flights to handle the load. The airplane is always packed and pax are regularly turned away. Recent flight back I was on had eight staff travelling stand by left behind as well as revenue pax.
Is it AC trying to protect their "market share" should they ever fly YYZ-DXB on their own 777's?
If so, would it not be a situation where the "tail is wagging the dog" regarding Canadian transport policy, or has this sort of thing been going on for some time?
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The Cdn government is quite clear on what their policy is. A bilateral agreement is required and one has been signed with the UAE.
Beyond that they require a 'level playing field' or equal benefits for both parties. The UAE provides, basically, one destination - Dubai. Canada provides more than that. So, at the moment each country can partake in flying to one destination.
The UAE can have more however they have to equalize the in equality in some manner. 5th freedom rights for Cdn carriers to transit through Dubai or other types of agreements.
EK likes to tout that they and the UAE support liberalization etc but they stand to benifit the most. Regardless of where they fly to they can serve several destinations yet the others can serve only Dubai (ok, Abu Dhabi as well if you want to count that since its only 45 min away by car).
EK wants liberal policy because their plan is to transit pax through Dubai from all over the world. The number of actual O&D pax (those coming to Dubai basically as a destination) is less than 20% of all their business. They have everything to gain.
Beyond that they require a 'level playing field' or equal benefits for both parties. The UAE provides, basically, one destination - Dubai. Canada provides more than that. So, at the moment each country can partake in flying to one destination.
The UAE can have more however they have to equalize the in equality in some manner. 5th freedom rights for Cdn carriers to transit through Dubai or other types of agreements.
EK likes to tout that they and the UAE support liberalization etc but they stand to benifit the most. Regardless of where they fly to they can serve several destinations yet the others can serve only Dubai (ok, Abu Dhabi as well if you want to count that since its only 45 min away by car).
EK wants liberal policy because their plan is to transit pax through Dubai from all over the world. The number of actual O&D pax (those coming to Dubai basically as a destination) is less than 20% of all their business. They have everything to gain.
The UAE can have more however they have to equalize the in equality in some manner. 5th freedom rights for Cdn carriers to transit through Dubai or other types of agreements.
Canada has always been a left-wing, protectionist country- and has the ecconomy to prove it!!
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Thanks Contacted, Trader, and 'Foz.
So, if we (the UAE) CAN actually offer two destinations to Canada, then why are we (EK) NOT already flying into Curry... uh, Surry, (YVR) and coming back here or going to Richmond (YVR as well), and heading to China or Hong Kong with that bunch?
Have we maxed out the frequency? Will the policy ever change? Can it?
I mean, if we are bleeding Oz and NZ seemingly effortlessly for their precious business, why not take on Canada?
Even with the present schedule we could fly over to YYZ or YUL, do a "shuttle" to Cuba on the weekend flights in the winter, and still come back with a full load to DXB!
How about we build the Canadians a new airport? Pearson is still small and the space that housed the abonation that was once Terminal Two is vacant...
"The Em-----es' Tim Horton's Terminal", housing the world's largest Timmy's, would look good there!
We could turn coffee and donut jockeys from TH into ticket agents as well. No sense in lining up twice! Get your boarding pass and a double-double at the same time!
To save money we could simply embroider a golden "CREW" label on the back of their TH uniforms! We could even buy our own stylish shirts at the company store for 250 dhms or on the street in BKK for 50 baht!
If the donut shooters also handle baggage they could work longer shifts. Hell, they could live at the airport, like the crew, who will live on the plane!
TPB Trailer Park Boys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia could do the grand opening with Rush!
Just thought I'd put those ideas out there.
T
So, if we (the UAE) CAN actually offer two destinations to Canada, then why are we (EK) NOT already flying into Curry... uh, Surry, (YVR) and coming back here or going to Richmond (YVR as well), and heading to China or Hong Kong with that bunch?
Have we maxed out the frequency? Will the policy ever change? Can it?
I mean, if we are bleeding Oz and NZ seemingly effortlessly for their precious business, why not take on Canada?
Even with the present schedule we could fly over to YYZ or YUL, do a "shuttle" to Cuba on the weekend flights in the winter, and still come back with a full load to DXB!
How about we build the Canadians a new airport? Pearson is still small and the space that housed the abonation that was once Terminal Two is vacant...
"The Em-----es' Tim Horton's Terminal", housing the world's largest Timmy's, would look good there!
We could turn coffee and donut jockeys from TH into ticket agents as well. No sense in lining up twice! Get your boarding pass and a double-double at the same time!
To save money we could simply embroider a golden "CREW" label on the back of their TH uniforms! We could even buy our own stylish shirts at the company store for 250 dhms or on the street in BKK for 50 baht!
If the donut shooters also handle baggage they could work longer shifts. Hell, they could live at the airport, like the crew, who will live on the plane!
TPB Trailer Park Boys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia could do the grand opening with Rush!
Just thought I'd put those ideas out there.
T
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It has always amazed me how Qantas have sat idly by while EK stole all their west-bound traffic. Not even an effort to compete.
Our Pols are happy to let them of course, lots of free grog at the races and the occasional junket to Dubai during the summer (when it gets warm for a day or two here) and you can buy yourself the whole Aussie parliament.
Maybe J* will take them on with the 787 but I doubt it.
Our Pols are happy to let them of course, lots of free grog at the races and the occasional junket to Dubai during the summer (when it gets warm for a day or two here) and you can buy yourself the whole Aussie parliament.
Maybe J* will take them on with the 787 but I doubt it.
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Yep, the Habibi's don't care whether the money is dirty or not, just as long as it goes into their grubby little pockets... but then again that's where my wages come from hmmmm
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Nor are SFO and LAX full...at least not inbound. Outbound from DXB, sure they are...everyone trying to get out of Dodge.
Trust an Australian EK apologist to be an "expert" on another country's economy! 
It's a bit ironic that EK points to Australia as an example of why they should be allowed more access to the Canadian market while they're eating QF's lunch!!
I actually think it's great the Canadian government is telling EK to "pound sand"...as Trader stated very succinctly, EK has far more to gain than Canada. Emirates is just whining (and propagandizing) because they can't just ignore the agreement like they do with other ones they are signatories to. Like, oh...ones with their employees?!
Canada has always been a left-wing, protectionist country- and has the ecconomy to prove it!!
It's a bit ironic that EK points to Australia as an example of why they should be allowed more access to the Canadian market while they're eating QF's lunch!!I actually think it's great the Canadian government is telling EK to "pound sand"...as Trader stated very succinctly, EK has far more to gain than Canada. Emirates is just whining (and propagandizing) because they can't just ignore the agreement like they do with other ones they are signatories to. Like, oh...ones with their employees?!
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hi all!
i found this today: Emirates set to cut flights on China routes - Travel & Hospitality - ArabianBusiness.com
quite interesting. cutting flights to China vs. 14% planned annual growth. okey, still doable (until March 2010), but...
will it be a trend or just a sole decrease?
i found this today: Emirates set to cut flights on China routes - Travel & Hospitality - ArabianBusiness.com
quite interesting. cutting flights to China vs. 14% planned annual growth. okey, still doable (until March 2010), but...
will it be a trend or just a sole decrease?
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Has anyone noticed how a small 4.5 mil population countries seem able to control the world aviation market with quality and profitability and offer a reasonable pay/benefits. EK, SQ,CX for example.
Now is the time to expand and to be ready for the next cycle not the other way around when capacity is needed, flights are cancelled, passengers are infuriated and not served with nothing but complimentary aggravation. At least these fellows are investing for the future, and we should ask ourselves what are our governments doing about the future?I forgot,making generations to work for free in order to repay the debt caused by clever economics. Harvard MBA's egh?
Now is the time to expand and to be ready for the next cycle not the other way around when capacity is needed, flights are cancelled, passengers are infuriated and not served with nothing but complimentary aggravation. At least these fellows are investing for the future, and we should ask ourselves what are our governments doing about the future?I forgot,making generations to work for free in order to repay the debt caused by clever economics. Harvard MBA's egh?
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Wiz - oddly that economy you are so quick to comment on is the strongest of the G20 going into this recession.
The banks have had no issues since the regulatory environment ensured they didn't overleverage themselves like the UK or US banks despite immense pressure a few years ago to allow mergers etc.
Of course the UAE has Open Skies - they have everything to gain and nothing to lose. EK's operation is based on geographical location as an aviation crossroads. There is little O&D traffic since most simply connect through Dubai to onward destinations.
When EK and the UAE can meet the requirment for mutual benefits to both sides you'll see them flying into more Cdn destinations. Until then they won't. They can boo hoo all they like and comment about the jobs they would create etc.
The banks have had no issues since the regulatory environment ensured they didn't overleverage themselves like the UK or US banks despite immense pressure a few years ago to allow mergers etc.
Of course the UAE has Open Skies - they have everything to gain and nothing to lose. EK's operation is based on geographical location as an aviation crossroads. There is little O&D traffic since most simply connect through Dubai to onward destinations.
When EK and the UAE can meet the requirment for mutual benefits to both sides you'll see them flying into more Cdn destinations. Until then they won't. They can boo hoo all they like and comment about the jobs they would create etc.