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Just before heading to bed...
There is nothing new here. They go for cheaper where they may find them. This is common practice here and elsewhere. Among those applying, they will find some suitable guys because they will also make them "suitable".
Unfortunately this means the Westerners, Australians, New Zealanders and Japanese may find it difficult to accept the offered TCs. Rest assured that the big majority of the top guys won't be from the Sub-Continent or from the Far East and their TCs won't be so bad; high paid slave-drivers and the others. That's life...
where did you see that recruitment policy of only hiring indians and filipinos?
Unfortunately this means the Westerners, Australians, New Zealanders and Japanese may find it difficult to accept the offered TCs. Rest assured that the big majority of the top guys won't be from the Sub-Continent or from the Far East and their TCs won't be so bad; high paid slave-drivers and the others. That's life...
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Cheap Shot!
The 757 job that RAK is offering is not cheap manual labor, and any pilot, regardless of his/her nationality is entitled to the same wage commensurate to his position as Capt or FO.
As to why RAK specifically prefer to hire an Indian or Filipino 757 jock, I have absolutely no idea. But I have to emphasize strongly in direct reference to riakar and fractional's posts, that nobody in this forum can rightfully claim that these nationalities are cheap slaves that deserve to be paid less than pilots of other nationalities.
I feel no need to elaborate further, but if you want to turn this into some cheap racist forum, go ahead, I'll be watching you!
As to why RAK specifically prefer to hire an Indian or Filipino 757 jock, I have absolutely no idea. But I have to emphasize strongly in direct reference to riakar and fractional's posts, that nobody in this forum can rightfully claim that these nationalities are cheap slaves that deserve to be paid less than pilots of other nationalities.
I feel no need to elaborate further, but if you want to turn this into some cheap racist forum, go ahead, I'll be watching you!
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Expatula, if you do actually live in the Middle east you wouldn't even bother questioning the statement that different nationalities get paid different salaries based purely on the passport they carry. It isn't a racist jibe, it is a fact, and while it would be illegal in Western countries it is an accepted industrial relations practice here in the UAE. It all comes down to supply and demand, that is, if they want to hire Western pilots they have to pay a salary that is better than what they get at home. The fact that Aussies are paid more in Oz, than Pakistanis are paid in Pakistan, means it will take more money to entice an Aussie than it will to entice a Pakistani. In the west it may be considered racist but here it is just Economics.
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It depends on the type of job, ANSA. We are talking here about 757 positions, not a cheap manual labor cleaning the cars or houses of some rich sheik in Dubai or Sharjah. If you do live here in ME, you can't be telling me that pilots in Emirates, or Etihad or Air Arabia for example, who hold different passports get different pay scales based on where they come from. I don't think RAK is hiring a single group of nationality to man their fleet, which is the point you are trying to drive at. If they have plans of expanding then definitely it is going to be a multicultural environment just like the above mentioned outfits.
I understand your statements about economics, law of supply and demand, and whatever. But looking back to previous posts somebody here just quoted a basic salary of $8000 for captains. Isn't that good enough to entice a westerner or an aussie? Maybe it all boils down to work ethics, just maybe...
I understand your statements about economics, law of supply and demand, and whatever. But looking back to previous posts somebody here just quoted a basic salary of $8000 for captains. Isn't that good enough to entice a westerner or an aussie? Maybe it all boils down to work ethics, just maybe...
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Im sure that there are more than capable people in every nationality. As long as they have the experience and knowledge to perform their tasks effectively, then whats the problem. However, when it comes to such things as safety and security, these positions cannot be jeopardized by putting in cheap labour.
As you all know you need to have the right calibre of person for this job with the right amount of experience, and unfortunately, they have put in a guy with no OPERATIONAL experience to head the security department.
This scenario is like putting a cabin crew in the Captains seat. They might know about the aircraft, but they dont know how to fly!
This is when is get dangerous! Good luck RAK, you will need it.
As you all know you need to have the right calibre of person for this job with the right amount of experience, and unfortunately, they have put in a guy with no OPERATIONAL experience to head the security department.
This scenario is like putting a cabin crew in the Captains seat. They might know about the aircraft, but they dont know how to fly!
This is when is get dangerous! Good luck RAK, you will need it.
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Is RAK the company that touchdown is recruiting for??
Does anyone know if RAK airways is the company that touchdown aviation is recruiting for as the only information they will give is that it is in the UAE which as we all know is quite a large area with a vast amount of airlines!!!!! also another recruitment company called line up is recruiting for crew in the uae again with no specifics but the picture on their website is for Abu dhabi could it be Etihad????
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Sorry expatula, you seem to have got the wrong end of the spatula. I was referring to RAK Airways own recruitment policy published on their website and in aviationjobsearch. It's for ground staff, nothing to do with pilots. I would have thought your concerns about racism would be levelled at the people who think they can pay people from different nationalities less than others - why else do you think that they want Indians not Europeans (flight deck excepted). I'm just the messenger - my point is that if you are reading this and your skin is the wrong colour, don't bother applying to RAK Airways. If in doubt find out what nationalities the people that have been summarily dismissed recently have been......
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As to why RAK specifically prefer to hire an Indian or Filipino 757 jock, I have absolutely no idea.
The reasoning behind it was the fact that a 100USD monthly saving has different value in the individual's different countries. For instance, a Sri Lankan saving 100USD is of a greater value than an Australian saving the same amount because of the differences in the cost of living in the respective countries.
I know for a fact that GAMCO used to have it when it was created and I believe it still has it in place. I know of NO differentiation in the flight crew sections.
I am quite sure many PPRuNers have more info that could be shared here. This is a fact of life here. Do I agree with it? On the face value NO! But I understood its creativity and rationale. Expatula, keep discovering the local disconforts of life...
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huh??
'The reasoning behind it was the fact that a 100USD monthly saving has different value in the individual's different countries. For instance, a Sri Lankan saving 100USD is of a greater value than an Australian saving the same amount because of the differences in the cost of living in the respective countries.'
...hold on a sec., If the sri lankan and australian are living/working in the SAME country, won't USD100 mean USD100 to both of them??!! Please correct me if im wrong here. Who cares what they used to earn back in their respective countries. Doesn't a loaf of bread cost more or less the same all over the UAE or does the govt. have customized pricing for canadians and others for pakistanis...I must be missing something
The house rent in the UAE must depend on nationality since '3rd' world countries have lower rent compared to '1st of the 1st' world countries, hmmm.
take it easy
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...hold on a sec., If the sri lankan and australian are living/working in the SAME country, won't USD100 mean USD100 to both of them??!! Please correct me if im wrong here. Who cares what they used to earn back in their respective countries. Doesn't a loaf of bread cost more or less the same all over the UAE or does the govt. have customized pricing for canadians and others for pakistanis...I must be missing something
The house rent in the UAE must depend on nationality since '3rd' world countries have lower rent compared to '1st of the 1st' world countries, hmmm.
take it easy
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mustangV8,
Research it with the local authorities... and ask for reasons for such stuff. This is why many of those TCNs went everywhere to get Canadian, American, European and so on nationalities and respective passports to have their own TCs improved.
You can't beat the system you've got to do something to beat it...
Research it with the local authorities... and ask for reasons for such stuff. This is why many of those TCNs went everywhere to get Canadian, American, European and so on nationalities and respective passports to have their own TCs improved.
You can't beat the system you've got to do something to beat it...
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Fractional,
I agree with you that it is a govt. authority issue. I also agree that it is reality here(UAE, Saudi, etc). Especially blatant on certain websites(hint: RAK)
Apart from qualified flight crew and other highly technical professions, this 'reality' is the potential employees' doing...they accept the abuse, no?? They don't contest the T&C's offered to them and so it becomes practice. Furthermore, as there is n't any regulating authority for this matter, who cares?
Things may change as countries such as India and China grow in economic power and better their infrastructure AND lower their 'brain drain' problem. Maybe some asians will finally start to demand for what they are worth, if they are offered to leave their countries.
Apologize for dragging it out...
Take it easy
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I agree with you that it is a govt. authority issue. I also agree that it is reality here(UAE, Saudi, etc). Especially blatant on certain websites(hint: RAK)
Apart from qualified flight crew and other highly technical professions, this 'reality' is the potential employees' doing...they accept the abuse, no?? They don't contest the T&C's offered to them and so it becomes practice. Furthermore, as there is n't any regulating authority for this matter, who cares?
Things may change as countries such as India and China grow in economic power and better their infrastructure AND lower their 'brain drain' problem. Maybe some asians will finally start to demand for what they are worth, if they are offered to leave their countries.
Apologize for dragging it out...
Take it easy
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MustangV8 you really think the spending power of 100USD here in the UAE is the deciding factor on whether or not someone comes from their home country. You are way off the mark if you do. None of us can ever get citizenship here and bottom line is we are all here to save a nest egg for our future (you're crazy if you're not). So... a Sri Lankan who can save 100 USD a month (about double the average monthly salary in Sri Lanka) will be much more likely to come here and more importantly stay than an Australian who can save 100USD (less than one tenth the average monthly salary in Australia). It's basic economics, right or wrong, workers from the subcontinent and some asian countries will come and stay for a lot less money, than people from countries with a higher average salary.
So to answer your last statement, "I must be missing something", yes you are. The cost of living is the same for all of us while in the UAE but the majority of us are sending home all our savings to our home country either regularly now, or in one lump when we leave (and as I said we all have to leave at some point), so the relative value of the money saved in our home country is the most important factor of all.
So to answer your last statement, "I must be missing something", yes you are. The cost of living is the same for all of us while in the UAE but the majority of us are sending home all our savings to our home country either regularly now, or in one lump when we leave (and as I said we all have to leave at some point), so the relative value of the money saved in our home country is the most important factor of all.
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QUOTE:
"....all Gulf government ministries and agencies and most of the private companies here look at the cost of living where the employee is recruited from and have salary scales accordingly. These guys are called the TCNs (3rd World Nationals). Many call it differently but the basis is the same everywhere..."
I believe that one's personal circumstances should never be considered as the basis for determining an individual's payscale. Everybody deserves to get the same pay for the same job that they do regardless of his/her nationality. If that is not discrimination, then I don't know how else you would describe it. Certainly it's not economics...
"....all Gulf government ministries and agencies and most of the private companies here look at the cost of living where the employee is recruited from and have salary scales accordingly. These guys are called the TCNs (3rd World Nationals). Many call it differently but the basis is the same everywhere..."
I believe that one's personal circumstances should never be considered as the basis for determining an individual's payscale. Everybody deserves to get the same pay for the same job that they do regardless of his/her nationality. If that is not discrimination, then I don't know how else you would describe it. Certainly it's not economics...