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Ace, I'm really not trying to be personal, but you are simply barking up the wrong tree equating Emirates/Etihad/Qatar with RAK, or suggesting that RAK are trying to compete with them.
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Ok, where do we start? RAK Airways are, as we speak, not even close to compete with Emirates, Ethiad and the others. It is ok that they announce they want to be a quality airline. But so far....the only thing they have launched are delays in getting airborne. Sorry, but is`nt that the fact?
Yes, RAK is a less expensive area to live in compared to Dubai. And for a good reason, I may add. When it comes to villas and not villas, it seems like they have put the crews up in villas and flats way south of the city center in a place called Hamra Village. A new development with a beach hotel, villas and flats. Around this area ( and yes I have seen it) you will find basically nothing other than your newly build accommodation, a gas station and a ceramic factory across the road. The upside is that a few miles further south there is a beach resort named Barracuda (I think the name is correct) with a liquor store
. That in itself should make up for the remote location of your villa.
quidditch,
you wrote:
quote//Now RAK Airways I believe also wants to be a quality airline and has many plus points already over Qatar//quote.
I am not trying to be funny, but please give me the plus points
bear,
quote//Ace, I'm really not trying to be personal, but you are simply barking up the wrong tree equating Emirates/Etihad/Qatar with RAK, or suggesting that RAK are trying to compete with them.//quote
Yes, RAK is a less expensive area to live in compared to Dubai. And for a good reason, I may add. When it comes to villas and not villas, it seems like they have put the crews up in villas and flats way south of the city center in a place called Hamra Village. A new development with a beach hotel, villas and flats. Around this area ( and yes I have seen it) you will find basically nothing other than your newly build accommodation, a gas station and a ceramic factory across the road. The upside is that a few miles further south there is a beach resort named Barracuda (I think the name is correct) with a liquor store
. That in itself should make up for the remote location of your villa. quidditch,
you wrote:
quote//Now RAK Airways I believe also wants to be a quality airline and has many plus points already over Qatar//quote.
I am not trying to be funny, but please give me the plus points
bear,
quote//Ace, I'm really not trying to be personal, but you are simply barking up the wrong tree equating Emirates/Etihad/Qatar with RAK, or suggesting that RAK are trying to compete with them.//quote
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I would urge caution where RAK is concerned. At present it is only a business model, and not a very impressive one at that. No one who knew this region would ever consider operating a 757, do they have any idea how much baggage their pax will bring ! The 75 just doesn't have the capacity which is why any airline worth its salt here runs A320's. The impression I get is that the management have not done their homework, but I look forward to the start of operations and... I hope, being proved wrong.
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RAK will be another Air Arabia with a little touch of "finesse" (biz class) as the CEO announced in his antecipated preview few weeks ago. He didn't say it all but was good enough to speculate that the first objective is to carry the Northern Emirates local labour force home (meaning home countries) along with the tonnes of cargo they airship home. The 2nd will also target the cargo export business to the ex-Soviet countries along with their nationals wishing to visit the country via RKT. Finally, Europe and the many that usually run away from the northern harsh winter and wish to do a little bit of mountain or desert tracking, the beautiful coast line they still have untouched by the cement savagery elsewhere in this country and the shopping. The Gulf area in general, and the UAE in particular, is a safe destination where you see (for the time being) no kidnappings or other horrible stories just like in Yemen and elsewhere recently.
Voila! More jobs regardless of the T&Cs.
Voila! More jobs regardless of the T&Cs.
. T&Cs? Well, it's a different issue. It's easier for them to house the company staff there than the other 3 national airlines.
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Anyone thinking of (or agreed to but not got there yet) joining RAK Airways ask about the authority levels. Ask about how you get paid. Ask what happens when the sole signatory for the company is not in the country. Ask what happened to the December salaries. Ask what happened to JF once he got on the wrong side of the wrong person. Ask what rights you have in a contract dispute, which is a contract with the gov't of RAK. Anyone who claims to be well connected there should be able to find out.
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Anyone thinking of (or agreed to but not got there yet) joining RAK Airways ask about the authority levels. Ask about how you get paid. Ask what happens when the sole signatory for the company is not in the country. Ask what happened to the December salaries. Ask what happened to JF once he got on the wrong side of the wrong person. Ask what rights you have in a contract dispute, which is a contract with the gov't of RAK. Anyone who claims to be well connected there should be able to find out.
Interesting twist on a thread that has developed itself more in a direction where people have a tendency "not to see the forest because of all the trees". Or shall we say "not to see the desert because of all the sand"
For those seriously thinking about joining RAK, should as you say, ask themselves all the questions you have put in front of them. You obviously know someting most people on this thread do not know. And as such your post should stand as an eye-opener to all.
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Dune driver...december salary?? thought most employers "pay in arrears" here, so december salary expected sometime end of december....is it different at QR or EK?
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OK, fair point. I meant the salaries due in December - the Nov salaries. Not so much that they were late, which they were - just research the answer to the question I posed if you are thinking of joining. i.e. who has the authority to do anything. Then review some of their recent decisions. It's worth knowing who you are entrusting your liveliehood to.....
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OK, fair point. I meant the salaries due in December - the Nov salaries. Not so much that they were late, which they were - just research the answer to the question I posed if you are thinking of joining. i.e. who has the authority to do anything. Then review some of their recent decisions. It's worth knowing who you are entrusting your liveliehood to.....
you`re obviously closer to the happenings than people on this thread seem to understand. That`s why people should do exactly as you suggest: research the answers to your questions. If they do, they will without delay send their applications into holding
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Life at RAK
Ok, here's the latest.
As some of the other posts have mentioned, JF left. Another way to say it might be that he wasn't left with much choice.
The new guy is doing a great job,universally liked and almost immediately turned it back in the right direction to getting the AOC.
Some postholder info. VP Gnd ops post was vacant so they moved the occ manager in to this role as we was more than qualifed so no problem there. Several applicants for VP security but so far nothing solid. VP maintenance and VP flt ops both great guys, experienced and genuinely determined to get this thing off the ground.
The aircraft...
No 737. It has been sold back to the company from where it came. Another will not be coming.
The 757 is in AUH, painted and prepped, however, a few people didn't like the colour and want it repainted, remains to be seen the outcome.No problems with getting it on the A6 register.
The AOC, this has been a big issue from the beginning. As was previously mentioned the company was started on the back of an existing one called Hamra Air, operating a HS125. It was being run by a bunch of pakistanians who ran it badly, quelle suprise, and hid all the nasty truths from the then new management. GCAA audit findings went unrecitifed and no actions were taken so the AOC was suspended. In the meantime, the op manuals were in dire shape too so these have been re-written with some outside help.
You are just getting the abbreviated version here but there was alot more in between, latest status is that there will be a GCAA audit this week and then the decision will be made.
As for the late salaries. Yes it's true, there is one signatory for the whole company and whenever he is unavailable things don't get signed, including salaries.
Board meeting was held on dec 28 but outcome unknown as only ceo and finance director there.
What I do know is that he has run over budget and fired a bunch of people with no warning. The present pool of 737 guys were hard at work with getting the manuals right and were promised a TR on the 757 but they now fear the worst and when they return here after their xmas break they feel the deal will be taken back and they will get sacked too.
More will be known as to the direction things will take in the next week or so.
Hope this helps.
SJ
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As some of the other posts have mentioned, JF left. Another way to say it might be that he wasn't left with much choice.
The new guy is doing a great job,universally liked and almost immediately turned it back in the right direction to getting the AOC.
Some postholder info. VP Gnd ops post was vacant so they moved the occ manager in to this role as we was more than qualifed so no problem there. Several applicants for VP security but so far nothing solid. VP maintenance and VP flt ops both great guys, experienced and genuinely determined to get this thing off the ground.
The aircraft...
No 737. It has been sold back to the company from where it came. Another will not be coming.
The 757 is in AUH, painted and prepped, however, a few people didn't like the colour and want it repainted, remains to be seen the outcome.No problems with getting it on the A6 register.
The AOC, this has been a big issue from the beginning. As was previously mentioned the company was started on the back of an existing one called Hamra Air, operating a HS125. It was being run by a bunch of pakistanians who ran it badly, quelle suprise, and hid all the nasty truths from the then new management. GCAA audit findings went unrecitifed and no actions were taken so the AOC was suspended. In the meantime, the op manuals were in dire shape too so these have been re-written with some outside help.
You are just getting the abbreviated version here but there was alot more in between, latest status is that there will be a GCAA audit this week and then the decision will be made.
As for the late salaries. Yes it's true, there is one signatory for the whole company and whenever he is unavailable things don't get signed, including salaries.
Board meeting was held on dec 28 but outcome unknown as only ceo and finance director there.
What I do know is that he has run over budget and fired a bunch of people with no warning. The present pool of 737 guys were hard at work with getting the manuals right and were promised a TR on the 757 but they now fear the worst and when they return here after their xmas break they feel the deal will be taken back and they will get sacked too.
More will be known as to the direction things will take in the next week or so.
Hope this helps.
SJ
T
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Interesting days to come
ShinjukuHustler,
You seem to sit very close to the happenings in RAK. I guess the next days and weeks will be extremely interesting for the RAK management with the GCAA paying them a visit. That the AOC is still filed at the GCAA office in Dubai cannot be seen as anything less than a dark spot on the management`s reputation.
I find it fair that the company offer the B737 guys a B757 type rating. They were hired months ago for a totally different task than writing manuals. If the company makes a 180 degree turn on this, it will be another stain on their reputation.
Start-ups, like RAK Airways, need a well structured management from day one, plus fundings to carry the project period. Funding they have. A structured management? Well, ...............
You seem to sit very close to the happenings in RAK. I guess the next days and weeks will be extremely interesting for the RAK management with the GCAA paying them a visit. That the AOC is still filed at the GCAA office in Dubai cannot be seen as anything less than a dark spot on the management`s reputation.
I find it fair that the company offer the B737 guys a B757 type rating. They were hired months ago for a totally different task than writing manuals. If the company makes a 180 degree turn on this, it will be another stain on their reputation.
Start-ups, like RAK Airways, need a well structured management from day one, plus fundings to carry the project period. Funding they have. A structured management? Well, ...............
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Mr BBJ, you mentioned that a structured management was necessary but how about destructive management or even better still NO management.
Try a well know site where people search for aviationjobs and look at the add. Only Indians and Phillipeenies need apply. I can only bobble my head and sigh
How long will a chicken run around for with it's head chopped off?
Let's wait and see.
Try a well know site where people search for aviationjobs and look at the add. Only Indians and Phillipeenies need apply. I can only bobble my head and sigh
How long will a chicken run around for with it's head chopped off?
Let's wait and see.
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Just Another................
Just another headline in the "7 days" news paper Dubai........makes me cry when when we try as Pilots to "will" the new carriers to operate as per 1st World norms when a few years living in the Middle-Least wakes one up to the (W)Right Brothers.
Cheers.
And yes to the objectionable....... I Went and spoke to them.
Cheers.
And yes to the objectionable....... I Went and spoke to them.
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guys,why dont you try to write in proper english???its a waste of time and space.people working in aviation should be able to write some undrestandable english i guess.forget about fluent english.
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Language police alert!!!!!!!!!
Many nationalities & language backgrounds here Mr.aaaxe - chill bro.
I'll make a deal with you - you start using a little punctuation in your posts (cut the SMS crap) and I'll make you a Language Police deputy.
Now back to the topic please.
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Many nationalities & language backgrounds here Mr.aaaxe - chill bro.
I'll make a deal with you - you start using a little punctuation in your posts (cut the SMS crap) and I'll make you a Language Police deputy.
Now back to the topic please.
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yes chief.......
you may write like email or sms ,fluent or basic,brief or in details,however,i think we all should make sure,that it is undrestandable for others.thats all i meant.(what was the big deal any ways).
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Don't hold your breath
The rout of the team initially recruited to start the airline is nearly complete. Cabin Crew Manager fired and replaced by gyppo, the only dispatcher fired to fund pay increase to VPFO, who's days are clearly numbered as he's European and therefore too expensive. See recent recruitment policy of only hiring Indians and Philippinos. And of course they won't speak their minds when corners are cut and expenses are slashed. As I understand no word yet from GCAA following the audit, and remember that audit was for the suitability to operate one HS-125 with four pilots on a few private flights. Different story when they apply to get the 757 added to the AOC - how much more stringent will that audit be ? So don't hold your breath waiting to see the RAK Airways a/c aloft any time soon.
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and it gets better
Just to add to all there management woes, they have just hired a security officer with no operational security experience to be there Head of Security.
Big mistake guys, you will never get your AOC now. They seem to not be able to get the right calabre of people applying for the security job and went for anyone who would apply. Shame you got someone who cant even speak properly.
Big mistake guys, you will never get your AOC now.
They seem to not be able to get the right calabre of people applying for the security job and went for anyone who would apply. Shame you got someone who cant even speak properly.
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question for riakar
riakar,
where did you see that recruitment policy of only hiring indians and filipinos? why would they be cheaper than their european counterparts or the others are just too demanding?
Thanks
A6
where did you see that recruitment policy of only hiring indians and filipinos? why would they be cheaper than their european counterparts or the others are just too demanding?
Thanks
A6
