QR rules & regulation
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This was briliant idea my friends and i want to add one more :Austalian passport .Name:Fawas Melder he reported a F/O for traveing on ID 90 in jeans which is not alowed .OOO am sure its a safety issue !
1) Elias
2) Chen Dan
3) Navneet
4) Clint Pimento
5) Franceska Loco
6) Jonathan - S. African
7) Ashley
8) Liza
9) Barbara De Guzman (Filipina married to French guy in Catering management)
10) Levi Mae
11) Winecar
12) Sameer
13) Houda
14)Fawas Melder
Keep on list must go on and we have to have it in oure pocket every flight.
1) Elias
2) Chen Dan
3) Navneet
4) Clint Pimento
5) Franceska Loco
6) Jonathan - S. African
7) Ashley
8) Liza
9) Barbara De Guzman (Filipina married to French guy in Catering management)
10) Levi Mae
11) Winecar
12) Sameer
13) Houda
14)Fawas Melder
Keep on list must go on and we have to have it in oure pocket every flight.
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Great idea guys....If only we could get our hands on the " little black book" that crazy french captain Claude used to carry with him!
They are all in there, with all the smudgy details. Claude, if you read this (which I doubt), make your knowledge public please!
Something else...have you guys noticed the addition of the CL300 to the QR fleet, inclusive a new chief pilot, limitations, etc etc?
Whats going on? How many of these things are joining the fleet? Who will fly them? Who will be forced to fly them?
I can just see it happening....From now on all the upgrades will happen on the BD100! Imagine..
They are all in there, with all the smudgy details. Claude, if you read this (which I doubt), make your knowledge public please!
Something else...have you guys noticed the addition of the CL300 to the QR fleet, inclusive a new chief pilot, limitations, etc etc?
Whats going on? How many of these things are joining the fleet? Who will fly them? Who will be forced to fly them?
I can just see it happening....From now on all the upgrades will happen on the BD100! Imagine..
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Proud of you my friends ! I just read PPRUNE sometimes but when i saw this topic and idea of black listing reporters i decided to open account and name it QR UNITED 2009 as this is first time i see us united in one idea.
I will make sure i get use of this list and give this people hard time ,maybe i will start with few questions on briefing starting with C/S or CSD . Lets see hows there standard and if standard is bad OFLOAD !!!!!
I will make sure i get use of this list and give this people hard time ,maybe i will start with few questions on briefing starting with C/S or CSD . Lets see hows there standard and if standard is bad OFLOAD !!!!!
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Good job guys! keep it coming and make this list longer! I will keep a copy for sure! its just terrible and sad all the stories you hear about those reports against our pilots...and these people need to pay back one day or another!
To come back to this story regarding "Fresh OJ", I think one of you already mentioned it, but everytime you operate a flight where there is a breakfast service, they cater 1 bottle of OJ labelled "for flight deck" but the funny thing is in all the flights i did none of the R1s told me about it. I just got to know few months ago...
Anyway, they always have extra and all go in the bin at the end but they never offer it...
Same thing goes for food, an R1 told me some CSDs brief them that whatever is left for F/J class food keep it for yourself and other cabin crew and just tell them nothing is left and pax ate everything...
For those of you who really enjoy drinking espresso or cappucino, I ve seen many pilots who buy their own capsules. You can find it in Blue Saloon next to BMW showroom in Binmahmoud area. it cost only 20qr for a pack of 10 capsules. Then you don't have to think whether the R1/CSD is nice or not to give it to you. And even sometimes you fly with nice ones who offer anything but they make you feel they re making a big favour as its supposed to be "not allowed".
To come back to this story regarding "Fresh OJ", I think one of you already mentioned it, but everytime you operate a flight where there is a breakfast service, they cater 1 bottle of OJ labelled "for flight deck" but the funny thing is in all the flights i did none of the R1s told me about it. I just got to know few months ago...
Anyway, they always have extra and all go in the bin at the end but they never offer it...
Same thing goes for food, an R1 told me some CSDs brief them that whatever is left for F/J class food keep it for yourself and other cabin crew and just tell them nothing is left and pax ate everything...
For those of you who really enjoy drinking espresso or cappucino, I ve seen many pilots who buy their own capsules. You can find it in Blue Saloon next to BMW showroom in Binmahmoud area. it cost only 20qr for a pack of 10 capsules. Then you don't have to think whether the R1/CSD is nice or not to give it to you. And even sometimes you fly with nice ones who offer anything but they make you feel they re making a big favour as its supposed to be "not allowed".
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From what I hear about QA, AAB is trying to do a good job running the Airline, he just does not seem to know how.
For instance, preventing cabin crew from serving OJ to pilots is a practical application of the principal: customers come first.
The way he tries to implement it however, is shabby.
He employs a system of in house monitoring and reporting, along with a strict military conduct. These two systems don’t mix, not to mention that it’s harmful and often it backfires.
When he insists on pilots wearing the uniform hat while on duty any time they do not have a solid roof above there heads, this is a military Practice , when he employs in house reporting and monitoring , he diminishes the essence of the very same military principal.
The military is a group of rules , not just one. For the system to work : every thing must be applied, one can not be selective to which one he likes or does not like.
The way the military works as far as reporting is concerned is the military police. But, under no circumstances will any one be allowed to report his superior officer!
You try and report a higher officer in the army and see what will happen : they will eat you alive!
This black list you guise came up with, although is a great sign of you uniting, is a very bad idea, it deepens the principal of : divide to concur. It is exactly what AAB is counting on for his shabby system to work, you alienate the cabin crew against you and it makes things worse for every one.
AAB needs a crush course on managing civilian outfit, and you need to be more informed about subtle tactics employed by management.
Don’t push Cabin crew away, embrace them, they are in the same boat as you.
To measure AAB success in running the airline, he needs to ask himself the following question : if I ask my employees , would you accept a 50% pay cut to help the airline?
If he thinks the answer is yes, then he is a successful manager.
Lee Iacocca of Chrysler, asked his employees this question years ago, the answer was : yes . They took a pay cut till the company came around to making money again.
Here I am talking about management throwing advices left right and centre, when I should be sleeping because I have a flight and I should rest, and it’s not even the airline I work for!
Typical pilot behaviour.
For instance, preventing cabin crew from serving OJ to pilots is a practical application of the principal: customers come first.
The way he tries to implement it however, is shabby.
He employs a system of in house monitoring and reporting, along with a strict military conduct. These two systems don’t mix, not to mention that it’s harmful and often it backfires.
When he insists on pilots wearing the uniform hat while on duty any time they do not have a solid roof above there heads, this is a military Practice , when he employs in house reporting and monitoring , he diminishes the essence of the very same military principal.
The military is a group of rules , not just one. For the system to work : every thing must be applied, one can not be selective to which one he likes or does not like.
The way the military works as far as reporting is concerned is the military police. But, under no circumstances will any one be allowed to report his superior officer!
You try and report a higher officer in the army and see what will happen : they will eat you alive!
This black list you guise came up with, although is a great sign of you uniting, is a very bad idea, it deepens the principal of : divide to concur. It is exactly what AAB is counting on for his shabby system to work, you alienate the cabin crew against you and it makes things worse for every one.
AAB needs a crush course on managing civilian outfit, and you need to be more informed about subtle tactics employed by management.
Don’t push Cabin crew away, embrace them, they are in the same boat as you.
To measure AAB success in running the airline, he needs to ask himself the following question : if I ask my employees , would you accept a 50% pay cut to help the airline?
If he thinks the answer is yes, then he is a successful manager.
Lee Iacocca of Chrysler, asked his employees this question years ago, the answer was : yes . They took a pay cut till the company came around to making money again.
Here I am talking about management throwing advices left right and centre, when I should be sleeping because I have a flight and I should rest, and it’s not even the airline I work for!
Typical pilot behaviour.
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mkdar, I do not agree with you !!!
Mkdar, first of all good morning, your post is for a perfect world and that does not exist specially over here, how will you react with some spy in the sky trying to ruin somebody else just to obtain a promotion?.
This is very simple THEY ARE BAD PEOPLE.
Come on !!! reporting for travelling ID90 in jeans, give me a break!!!
So these people needs at least to be treated like they deserved.
Regards.
Banana
This is very simple THEY ARE BAD PEOPLE.
Come on !!! reporting for travelling ID90 in jeans, give me a break!!!
So these people needs at least to be treated like they deserved.
Regards.
Banana
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good thread guys..keep up this sign of unity.add another name csd wafaa moroccon..part time sep instructor..reports everything..thats how she is promoted so fast.
csd ashley..indian even got his best friend demoted from csd to f1.
almost all csd thinks that they are infact the commander...its time for us to unite and act.
csd ashley..indian even got his best friend demoted from csd to f1.
almost all csd thinks that they are infact the commander...its time for us to unite and act.
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Gentlemen,
Grow Up
The Original Reason That Oj Was Banned From The Fd Crew,a Few Years Ago A Certain Captain (currently In Mngmnt) And F/o Abused This Privilege And A First Class Passenger Reported This Matter,and That Goes For The Cappachino As Well.
As It Goes Now You Are Supplied By A Fresh Oj Bottle With Breakfast Ask For It If You Are That Desperate.
On The Other Side Of Coin If You Guys Are Nice To The Crew You Can Have All What You Want From The Galleys When They Finish With The Service.
And If You Want To Resign And Go Back To Europe You Can........trust Me No One Will Stop You:d
Grow Up
The Original Reason That Oj Was Banned From The Fd Crew,a Few Years Ago A Certain Captain (currently In Mngmnt) And F/o Abused This Privilege And A First Class Passenger Reported This Matter,and That Goes For The Cappachino As Well.
As It Goes Now You Are Supplied By A Fresh Oj Bottle With Breakfast Ask For It If You Are That Desperate.
On The Other Side Of Coin If You Guys Are Nice To The Crew You Can Have All What You Want From The Galleys When They Finish With The Service.
And If You Want To Resign And Go Back To Europe You Can........trust Me No One Will Stop You:d
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Unfortunatley there are snitches in every airline. But knowing who they are helps alot. Thanks guys good job. Knowing who the easy girls are would help too , especially on the narrow body fleet.
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Magoo, long time, listen men, it is not only the orange juice, which I do not give a , there are plenty of another bad behaviour among some CSD, Cs, etc.
Remember my friend, CAPTAIN is the COMMANDER, not the CSD.
Look so far that you are the only pilot who dont agree with your fellow colleagues.
Regards.
LE BANANA
orange juice, which I do not give a , there are plenty of another bad behaviour among some CSD, Cs, etc.Remember my friend, CAPTAIN is the COMMANDER, not the CSD.
Look so far that you are the only pilot who dont agree with your fellow colleagues.
Regards.
LE BANANA
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Magoo,
This is not about these little things on their own! Try to see the overall picture:
1)Culture whereby reporting is your fast track to promotion!
2)CS/CSD are given the idea by their management that they do have the power to overrule the Captain!
3) Overall atmosphere of disrespect towards the pilots!
This used to be much worse before and it ahs changed a lot, but we still have lots of idiots with these ideas working in the same airplanes!
I have noticed, especially lately after a lot of the 100% QR cabin crew ( no previous experience in other airlines), recently promoted to CS/CSD, show an unusually bad attitude towards the cockipt crew in general, and towards the captain in particular. When all goes well, you will not even see them! They yawn when you mention the word crew briefing but in general they will smile and say nothing!
Now when things get worse, or when you dare to ask them a question (just try the cockpit door code for one) they will start to act nasty!
It seems to me that in these latest batches of cabin managers () the sentence " disrespect your flight crew" has been spoonfed throughout the course!
It will take you every bit of CRM training you ever received to work properly together with these people, I can tell you that! (apologies for generalisation, the few good ones will know this is not about them)
So whenever I see a CS/CSD on my crewlist with seniority number 7900 and below, I am more or less relaxed as I know I will not have to face this kind of attitude. Now all I need is this completed list we are talking about....
This is not about these little things on their own! Try to see the overall picture:
1)Culture whereby reporting is your fast track to promotion!
2)CS/CSD are given the idea by their management that they do have the power to overrule the Captain!
3) Overall atmosphere of disrespect towards the pilots!
This used to be much worse before and it ahs changed a lot, but we still have lots of idiots with these ideas working in the same airplanes!
I have noticed, especially lately after a lot of the 100% QR cabin crew ( no previous experience in other airlines), recently promoted to CS/CSD, show an unusually bad attitude towards the cockipt crew in general, and towards the captain in particular. When all goes well, you will not even see them! They yawn when you mention the word crew briefing but in general they will smile and say nothing!
Now when things get worse, or when you dare to ask them a question (just try the cockpit door code for one) they will start to act nasty!
It seems to me that in these latest batches of cabin managers (
) the sentence " disrespect your flight crew" has been spoonfed throughout the course!It will take you every bit of CRM training you ever received to work properly together with these people, I can tell you that! (apologies for generalisation, the few good ones will know this is not about them)
So whenever I see a CS/CSD on my crewlist with seniority number 7900 and below, I am more or less relaxed as I know I will not have to face this kind of attitude. Now all I need is this completed list we are talking about....
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I am currently making the site for all of you 
the URL is qablacklist.info it will be completed by tomorrow, Much easier and will be a back up just incase pprune change there mind.
Keep the names comin!
the URL is qablacklist.info it will be completed by tomorrow, Much easier and will be a back up just incase pprune change there mind.
Keep the names comin!
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I have put the site up, QA blacklist It still needs a bit of attention. So please bear with me! It is live and has the list on there.
If you want anything else, (forum etc) send me a pm and i will get it all done
If you want anything else, (forum etc) send me a pm and i will get it all done
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i am unutterably horrified by what i am reading in this thread. crm is obviously a very dirty word here. i work for a european carrier and as a rule flight deck and cabin crew have a very good working relationship. most of the cabin crew are aware that the pilots are stuck in a bullet proof box all day and make an effort to ensure that they are well looked after. also the pilots treat us with respect and courtesy. each is certainly not treated like the enemy by the other. i also worked for gulf air many years ago and again for the most part both parties had a friendly cordial working relationship. this sort of enmity and disrespect by both sides is a recipe for disaster in any airline.
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see most of the csd's haven't changed then, some of the names on the list were snitching back when they were jnr crew, sad to see that after 10 years some of them haven't changed much, sad life
is no 13 Houda Bombscare, if anyone remembers that story.
is no 13 Houda Bombscare, if anyone remembers that story.
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Seems nothing much changes at Goat Airways.
I thought I ripped that dog Chen's head off on a Seychelles trip three years ago? Should av been more thorough?
Dont be hasty with judgement Flying Cat. The Goat is not a normal airline. Many cabin crew are unbalanced and need allignment. In the sick Goat tradition of dobbing and reporting a Public Blacklist is golden.
For Chen: "What is it you cant face?"
I thought I ripped that dog Chen's head off on a Seychelles trip three years ago? Should av been more thorough?
horrified by what i am reading in this thread. crm is obviously a very dirty word
For Chen: "What is it you cant face?"
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