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All of my Capt on 330 are telling me this days that there is British Inst who was demoted from training to normal capt but now again promoted to Inst B777 . Thay say he can fly 777 becaouse 777 cant do hard landing and 777 do not operate Kathmandu . They also say that that Inst was promoted to Inst against QCAA regulations but pushed by CT I.M and B.W
Am not sure it can be true as we all know QCAA is strict .
Am not sure it can be true as we all know QCAA is strict .
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This news is correct and true.
The instructor is placed on fast track 777 instructor.
Indeed he was demoted before; his file has 2 incidents already.
But I heard in addition to the right passport, he is liked by the higher management on the 9th floor because he is a "reporter" i.e. he reports others! You know how this attitude is encouraged in QA.
Meanwhile the 320 captains and instructors will keep flying it till the day they die or resign (whatever comes first).
Another fact: Morale in the flight Ops are at all times low!!!
I.M. and B.W, well done.
The instructor is placed on fast track 777 instructor.
Indeed he was demoted before; his file has 2 incidents already.
But I heard in addition to the right passport, he is liked by the higher management on the 9th floor because he is a "reporter" i.e. he reports others! You know how this attitude is encouraged in QA.
Meanwhile the 320 captains and instructors will keep flying it till the day they die or resign (whatever comes first).
Another fact: Morale in the flight Ops are at all times low!!!
I.M. and B.W, well done.
Last edited by A330 man; 23rd Oct 2008 at 11:28. Reason: correcting the spelling of the word : MORALE according to White Knight
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White knight, I appreciate the correction in spite of the smell of sarcasm here.
You have to understand and respect that most of us here are non English native speakers.
U moet begrijpen dat de meesten van ons niet inheemse sprekers zijn.
Vergeet de eenvoudige spellingsfouten zolang u de betekenis ..... begrijpt
Heb veilige vluchten
Als u begrijpt wat ik… schreef moet u James zijn.
You have to understand and respect that most of us here are non English native speakers.
U moet begrijpen dat de meesten van ons niet inheemse sprekers zijn.
Vergeet de eenvoudige spellingsfouten zolang u de betekenis ..... begrijpt
Heb veilige vluchten
Als u begrijpt wat ik… schreef moet u James zijn.
Thank youJungleJett for your defense, but I want to keep my answer classy and civilized.
Safe flights everyone.
Safe flights everyone.
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History just repeats itself here in QA.
A bit of history chaps:
2000 --> Algerians helping Algerians (look at all the algerians with staffnr 2XX and more)
2001 --> British helping British ( Fleming helping his mates)
2002 --> Egyptians helping Egyptians (remember the Ismael brothers, now running Air Arabia)
2003 --> Qatari helping Qatari (The reign of Hassan and Hamad)
2004 --> Here come the Indians, helping each other, under the leadership of L.M.
2005 --> Indian supremacy continues, number of Indian pilots tripple
2006 --> The end is near, Too much foul play left a stain/many dead bodies behind in the closets!
2007 --> QR is a ship without captain, but mid 2007 the Brits are there again in the role they like the most: COLONISING places!
2008 --> The resurection of the British empire in Qatar Airways under the leadership of the comical duo Ian and Bill! The Nigels at their best!
2009 --> Only time can tell! But allready the number of Nigels is rising steeply! And not on the 320 slave fleet! Nono, on the B777 off course!
Will the Brits be able to brake the Indian record of abusing this company? Will they be able to reach higher levels of personal enrichment than their Indian Brethren? How long before the CEO will see through their play as well, kicking them out on the spot!
One sad record they have broken already: That one of plumetting flight ops morale to unknown depths on the shortest period of time possible!
At least the Indian Birdy Namnam management gave us all something to look foreward to (upgrades/transfers/payrise), the Nigels do not even bother doing that! On the contrary: Hotac quality goes down, pay goes down, no more transfers, upgrades big question mark!!!
I know the Nigels like sodomy, but I did not know they would do it so bluntly! even the vaseline has become a very rare commodity these days! They just DO it!
A bit of history chaps:
2000 --> Algerians helping Algerians (look at all the algerians with staffnr 2XX and more)
2001 --> British helping British ( Fleming helping his mates)
2002 --> Egyptians helping Egyptians (remember the Ismael brothers, now running Air Arabia)
2003 --> Qatari helping Qatari (The reign of Hassan and Hamad)
2004 --> Here come the Indians, helping each other, under the leadership of L.M.
2005 --> Indian supremacy continues, number of Indian pilots tripple
2006 --> The end is near, Too much foul play left a stain/many dead bodies behind in the closets!
2007 --> QR is a ship without captain, but mid 2007 the Brits are there again in the role they like the most: COLONISING places!
2008 --> The resurection of the British empire in Qatar Airways under the leadership of the comical duo Ian and Bill! The Nigels at their best!
2009 --> Only time can tell! But allready the number of Nigels is rising steeply! And not on the 320 slave fleet! Nono, on the B777 off course!
Will the Brits be able to brake the Indian record of abusing this company? Will they be able to reach higher levels of personal enrichment than their Indian Brethren? How long before the CEO will see through their play as well, kicking them out on the spot!
One sad record they have broken already: That one of plumetting flight ops morale to unknown depths on the shortest period of time possible!
At least the Indian Birdy Namnam management gave us all something to look foreward to (upgrades/transfers/payrise), the Nigels do not even bother doing that! On the contrary: Hotac quality goes down, pay goes down, no more transfers, upgrades big question mark!!!
I know the Nigels like sodomy, but I did not know they would do it so bluntly! even the vaseline has become a very rare commodity these days! They just DO it!
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You are completely correct;
But to be fair, I prefer the Indian management, at least we were not blocked on the 320 while the 330 and 777 are receiving DECs, they were clever enough to promote the 320 pilots and hire their men on the 320 assuring them to transfer on time.
I received many private messages form accepted pilots who are reluctant to join QA with the new transfer rules and tight regulations for fleet transfer. Most of them are not from the UK and they are offered 320 jobs...they are so scared to be stuck like us, so they are looking for a 330 CCQ or even 777. Otherwise they are looking for a company with better transfer option (that don't change over night)
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But to be fair, I prefer the Indian management, at least we were not blocked on the 320 while the 330 and 777 are receiving DECs, they were clever enough to promote the 320 pilots and hire their men on the 320 assuring them to transfer on time.
I received many private messages form accepted pilots who are reluctant to join QA with the new transfer rules and tight regulations for fleet transfer. Most of them are not from the UK and they are offered 320 jobs...they are so scared to be stuck like us, so they are looking for a 330 CCQ or even 777. Otherwise they are looking for a company with better transfer option (that don't change over night)
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I've been accepted on the 320 fleet but everyone speaks bad about it, but what scares me is the fleet upgrade; I'll be promoted to a bigger fleet someday? How long takes to be captain on the fleet?
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I guess the truth hurts, doesnt'it?
Only problem is by posting these messages and sending this message to the outside world, we are shooting ourselves in the foot!
They WILL offer these guys a seat on the A330 or 777! Their only concern is to get the planes in the air!
Which in return means that the A320 people will be stuck on the A320, and the A330 people on the A330!
Only problem is by posting these messages and sending this message to the outside world, we are shooting ourselves in the foot!
They WILL offer these guys a seat on the A330 or 777! Their only concern is to get the planes in the air!
Which in return means that the A320 people will be stuck on the A320, and the A330 people on the A330!
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who 2 blame!!
Well Gents
I have been trying for long to be only a cool bystander, but what the h..k
calling it British empire, I would call it British colony, but who to blame definitely not them, I would strongly blame the internal onlookers management, Did any of them stand up and said no
, did any of them said unfair !!!
QA does not deserve to be such a laboratory, if 50% of the management guys would do and fight for their true believes with respect to the company benefits and disregarding personal fears, agenda and precautions, if they would think and act fair, if the local management pilots would take more positive attitude, I'm sure things would improve, and this cancer will vanish.
couple of questions, would love to find answers:
-How come a captain with serious attitude problem, so many reports by senior F/O is transfered to the 777!
-does IM knows anything in our airline, part A or people history to choose transfers or training people!
Again who to blame!
Goodbye seniority and loyalty
I have been trying for long to be only a cool bystander, but what the h..k
calling it British empire, I would call it British colony, but who to blame definitely not them, I would strongly blame the internal onlookers management, Did any of them stand up and said no
, did any of them said unfair !!!QA does not deserve to be such a laboratory, if 50% of the management guys would do and fight for their true believes with respect to the company benefits and disregarding personal fears, agenda and precautions, if they would think and act fair, if the local management pilots would take more positive attitude, I'm sure things would improve, and this cancer will vanish.
couple of questions, would love to find answers:
-How come a captain with serious attitude problem, so many reports by senior F/O is transfered to the 777!
-does IM knows anything in our airline, part A or people history to choose transfers or training people!
Again who to blame!
Goodbye seniority and loyalty
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Dear Clostermann,
I think we have 2 goals to our posts:
1- To share information with other QA pilots, seeking the truth since our management is not sharing info or plans with us.
2- Inform our highest level of management of the damage going on from inside, hoping he will do something about it, if he realizes it is not a forum only for crying pilots, but for pilots who care to improve their working place.
About shooting ourselves in the foot:
our Flt. Ops. Managers ARE already hiring DECs on the 330/777 even before any posts to the outside word about tightening the fleet transfer.
Also the 330 /777 DECs don't stay long, you can check how many monthly resignations are submitted to S.S.
Let me say it this way:
330/777 life style is better than 320 in QA, but at the same time the 330/777 life style & crew treatment is bad when compared with EK, EY, Korean, Vietnam, China (commuting contract for the last 3).
320 life style could be better if the cycle of max. duty / min. rest stopped, which is eased in other airlines by offering commuting contracts.
I think we have 2 goals to our posts:
1- To share information with other QA pilots, seeking the truth since our management is not sharing info or plans with us.
2- Inform our highest level of management of the damage going on from inside, hoping he will do something about it, if he realizes it is not a forum only for crying pilots, but for pilots who care to improve their working place.
About shooting ourselves in the foot:
our Flt. Ops. Managers ARE already hiring DECs on the 330/777 even before any posts to the outside word about tightening the fleet transfer.
Also the 330 /777 DECs don't stay long, you can check how many monthly resignations are submitted to S.S.
Let me say it this way:
330/777 life style is better than 320 in QA, but at the same time the 330/777 life style & crew treatment is bad when compared with EK, EY, Korean, Vietnam, China (commuting contract for the last 3).
320 life style could be better if the cycle of max. duty / min. rest stopped, which is eased in other airlines by offering commuting contracts.
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As mentioned before many heads will roll and the plans have been long time back worked out. Remember one thing Britons are brilliant politicians and very accustomed to be under reign of intrigue. No wonder, it's now a matter of who'll keep his seat not to fight for the mutual benefits. Once the commonwealth empire has been restored the stage of revising the package might be an agenda. Good luck.
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Qatari pilots WAKE UP its time to visit youre leaders and tell them whats going on in QA . It is youre country and if you dont do anything about it means you agree with it .
British people will in no time make QA BAQA and if you are not blond with blue eyes you will be put a side and watch big boys having fun .
We have 850 pilots and CEO decided to bring 2 moroons from UK to show us whats aviation like . Both B.W and I.M are low hours low experianced pilots with bad attitude and junior too all ,but since they are British let them step on oure back. Say NO to this mistreatment and do somthing about it .
We want A.J as CEO and H.B as GMFO and H.A as SVPNO
Good luck to Qatari pilots all oure hopes are with you .
British people will in no time make QA BAQA and if you are not blond with blue eyes you will be put a side and watch big boys having fun .
We have 850 pilots and CEO decided to bring 2 moroons from UK to show us whats aviation like . Both B.W and I.M are low hours low experianced pilots with bad attitude and junior too all ,but since they are British let them step on oure back. Say NO to this mistreatment and do somthing about it .
We want A.J as CEO and H.B as GMFO and H.A as SVPNO
Good luck to Qatari pilots all oure hopes are with you .
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Correct, I forget another illustreous duo in my list!
2003-2006 --> M.Shayeb and his younger brother A.Shayeb! Sweet talkers talked there way into management (M did anyway), but once in they rapidly fell from their throne due to incompetence and politics!
M crashlanded an A320 in ALY after which he basically was kicked out! He is now flying an A330 in EY, on a very VERY low profile. The younger one managed to get a right to left seat upgrade (1 of the 7 EVER!) on A330, although his previous experience is almost neglectable!
Pakistani Americans deploying British tactics: Not a bright idea!
One left over from this era: the cardboard cups with plastic covers we all drink from every day. Check the manufacturer and guess who is a main shareholder overthere....
2003-2006 --> M.Shayeb and his younger brother A.Shayeb! Sweet talkers talked there way into management (M did anyway), but once in they rapidly fell from their throne due to incompetence and politics!
M crashlanded an A320 in ALY after which he basically was kicked out! He is now flying an A330 in EY, on a very VERY low profile. The younger one managed to get a right to left seat upgrade (1 of the 7 EVER!) on A330, although his previous experience is almost neglectable!
Pakistani Americans deploying British tactics: Not a bright idea!
One left over from this era: the cardboard cups with plastic covers we all drink from every day. Check the manufacturer and guess who is a main shareholder overthere....
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let me add how was A S accepted in QA.
younger brother M S had him in the 320 SIM in Dubai for 01h10min ALONE for practice for his acceptance ride, and guess what the SIM RIDE was payed by QA. well no problem since he came from 727 cargo with no glass cockpit experience
Now we have a 3rd Shayeb brother as I have heard on the 777, wont be surprised sooner or later to know that the 2 remaining Shayeb brothers would join their mid brother after taking all the advantage from QA.
Conclusion: lots of people really know how to abuses QA for their personal goals and they are 1st to leave.
NOTE: I know non of the 3 brothers, so not personal @ all just few facts from history
younger brother M S had him in the 320 SIM in Dubai for 01h10min ALONE for practice for his acceptance ride, and guess what the SIM RIDE was payed by QA. well no problem since he came from 727 cargo with no glass cockpit experience
Now we have a 3rd Shayeb brother as I have heard on the 777, wont be surprised sooner or later to know that the 2 remaining Shayeb brothers would join their mid brother after taking all the advantage from QA.
Conclusion: lots of people really know how to abuses QA for their personal goals and they are 1st to leave.
NOTE: I know non of the 3 brothers, so not personal @ all just few facts from history
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Every truthful negative post A320 Man is another brick laid on the path to destruction. Keep it up lads. They cannot stop what's coming.
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If out of 100 Qatari pilots CEO cant find 2 with good management skills? That tell us a lot about what he think about locals.
B.W and I.M ETD 120 days but in 120 days a lot of damage can be done .
B.W and I.M ETD 120 days but in 120 days a lot of damage can be done .