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I understand what you are saying but, are you being realistic ? Do you agree that the the 330 fleet has approx 230 fo's at the moment and the 777 fleet has more than 60 and growing fast. Please remember that the 777 fleet uses more crews than the 330 as they have and will get more double crew flights such as IAD, JFK and HOU, MLB, GRU, SYD etc etc. So they will and up with more than 250 fo's. That''s about 500 fo's on 777 and 330 together, do you realy think that all those fo's can be upgraded on the 320 ?
Logistically it is not possible simply because the training capacity is not there, and second, it will cost a lot of money !!! Especially for all the boeing guys going back to airbus.......why do you think EK keeps cross fleet training to a minimum ?
Just a thought for a healthy discussion..........
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I understand what you are saying but, are you being realistic ? Do you agree that the the 330 fleet has approx 230 fo's at the moment and the 777 fleet has more than 60 and growing fast. Please remember that the 777 fleet uses more crews than the 330 as they have and will get more double crew flights such as IAD, JFK and HOU, MLB, GRU, SYD etc etc. So they will and up with more than 250 fo's. That''s about 500 fo's on 777 and 330 together, do you realy think that all those fo's can be upgraded on the 320 ?
Logistically it is not possible simply because the training capacity is not there, and second, it will cost a lot of money !!! Especially for all the boeing guys going back to airbus.......why do you think EK keeps cross fleet training to a minimum ?
Just a thought for a healthy discussion..........
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EK keeps cross fleet training to a minimum
Don't forget also that EK roster bedding system allows most pilots to select few destinations of their liking every month.
All EK planes are wide body, so as a pilot you worth the same value in the international job market.
Let's take EY and GF as an example from the region, they stopped NTR capts to join directly the wide body, you have to join on the 320 fleet. I personally don't mind if I stay on the 330 fleet while QA hires pilots on the 777, but why the 320 pilots have to suffer for long years before they transfer? (if they will ever transfer).
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Why do so many people think there is such an impossibility for a Airbus pilot to fly a Boeing or Boeing to Airbus.. it's just another aircraft. different philosophies but still a aircraft.. training cost is the same, they both fly and both land. just get your head around the differences and your off.. what is the big deal, and yes i speak from experience as I HAVE flown both, as have many others within this group of bandits we call Qatar Airways Pilots
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Sorry but nobody said it's impossible, i have flown both too, that was not the point.
A330 man :
You have a valid point regarding life-style etc etc, i agree with you,...... maybe it would be in the company's advantage to create a Airbus fleet and a Boeing fleet. It would make life style, roster and pay more equal across the fleet. But then you would have the elite guys on the 330 saying that they don't want to fly 320
. I am sure the 320 guys wouldn't mind mix flying with the 330........i believe there is NO solution that would keep everybody happy, Unless they set-up a seniority system with a career progress like the major EU or American companies have. Where EVERYBODY follows a career progress, and they don't change the rules every time there is a different management.
Keep the healthy discussion going !
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Sorry but nobody said it's impossible, i have flown both too, that was not the point.
A330 man :
You have a valid point regarding life-style etc etc, i agree with you,...... maybe it would be in the company's advantage to create a Airbus fleet and a Boeing fleet. It would make life style, roster and pay more equal across the fleet. But then you would have the elite guys on the 330 saying that they don't want to fly 320
. I am sure the 320 guys wouldn't mind mix flying with the 330........i believe there is NO solution that would keep everybody happy, Unless they set-up a seniority system with a career progress like the major EU or American companies have. Where EVERYBODY follows a career progress, and they don't change the rules every time there is a different management.Keep the healthy discussion going !
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i believe there is NO solution that would keep everybody happy, Unless they set-up a seniority system with a career progress like the major EU or American companies have. Where EVERYBODY follows a career progress, and they don't change the rules every time there is a different management.
Seswa, what you just mentioned is great, that is the current policy in ALL world major airlines, unfortunately, that was QA policy also till last September when the "new management" changed the fleet transfer policy.
I believe that QA WILL eventually revert to the original fleet transfer policy with few exceptions for the type rated experienced pilots.
You also spoke the truth when you mentioned the unfair MFF policy of the 330 pilots don't want to fly 320! While 320 pilots are forced to fly both types!
It will be only useful when everyone flies both types as a completely mixed roster, or back to the sigle fleet policy (again like major airlnes cancelled it before..e.g. Lufthansa, Swiss, Etihad)
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It is cheaper to learn from other's mistakes, instead of repeating them.
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Is Brithish couple still around ? Or got a confirmed seat to UK ?
It would be big saving for QR if we send them home 140 000 + 90 000 =230 000 per /month mmmmm multiply 12 wow what a saving for QR .
It would be big saving for QR if we send them home 140 000 + 90 000 =230 000 per /month mmmmm multiply 12 wow what a saving for QR .
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Qatar A320 Questions
I have been offered an F/O job with Qatar on the A320 fleet. I have some questions that I have not found answers to elsewhere on pprune (or the information is very old), or via contacting Qatar directly (they were not very forthcoming with information).
1) What are the monthly duty/flight hours likely to be? I have read conflicting information about this on pprune.
2) Are there many stop-overs, and if so, what percentage of flights?
3) If they put me in company accommodation, what sort of property will it be, and will it be on a sharing basis?
4) People are saying on pprune that the prospects for transferring fleets onto longhaul are bad. What sort of time frame would this be?
5) Where will I be doing the type-rating? I know they have used GECAT in England in the past, but also understand they have simulators in Doha.
1) What are the monthly duty/flight hours likely to be? I have read conflicting information about this on pprune.
2) Are there many stop-overs, and if so, what percentage of flights?
3) If they put me in company accommodation, what sort of property will it be, and will it be on a sharing basis?
4) People are saying on pprune that the prospects for transferring fleets onto longhaul are bad. What sort of time frame would this be?
5) Where will I be doing the type-rating? I know they have used GECAT in England in the past, but also understand they have simulators in Doha.
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Cyclone,maybe not 100% correct but close to reality:
F/O infos:
1)monthly flight time....70....hours/Duty time....130...hours
(you are paid for the flight time (schedule block time)not the duty time.
Unstable roster&expect a lot of change&days off cancelled and postponed without asking you or advising you before:But this is something normal in Qatar Airways, as there is no consideration for crew and their private live.
2)layover..3..4.../month(most of them around 24 hours layover).
320's layovers: Calicut,Chennai,Trivandrum,Kathmandu,Colombo,Dar es salam, Nairobi,Seychelles, Berlin,Stockolm,Vienna, (Geneva from january?),Maldives.
3)As an F/O you will be entitled to a 2 or 3 bedroom flat-No sharing.
You can move out(and take the house allowance) if you want but in that case you will not be allowed to come back into the company accomodation
4) transfer...2...3 years.(but rules keep changing).
5) yes they do have 320 sim in Doha.You might do the full course here.
F/O infos:
1)monthly flight time....70....hours/Duty time....130...hours
(you are paid for the flight time (schedule block time)not the duty time.
Unstable roster&expect a lot of change&days off cancelled and postponed without asking you or advising you before:But this is something normal in Qatar Airways, as there is no consideration for crew and their private live.
2)layover..3..4.../month(most of them around 24 hours layover).
320's layovers: Calicut,Chennai,Trivandrum,Kathmandu,Colombo,Dar es salam, Nairobi,Seychelles, Berlin,Stockolm,Vienna, (Geneva from january?),Maldives.
3)As an F/O you will be entitled to a 2 or 3 bedroom flat-No sharing.
You can move out(and take the house allowance) if you want but in that case you will not be allowed to come back into the company accomodation
4) transfer...2...3 years.(but rules keep changing).
5) yes they do have 320 sim in Doha.You might do the full course here.
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Hi Guys especialy loc22550,
I was shortlisted on August, and i was not invited to interview yet. Can i expect something to next months?
I was shortlisted on August, and i was not invited to interview yet. Can i expect something to next months?
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Bizpilot...unfortunately i don't have any Crystal ball in front of me,and i'm not involved at all in the recruitment process... so hopefully somebody in a better position than me might answer you question soon...
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Twinkie,
Qatari pilots have been shut down everytime they have tried to open their mouthes. They always complained AB mistreats them, but these complaints go nowhere and come back to haunt them later.
Qatari pilots are never united, they step on each others feet. I guess everyone just cares for himself nowadays.
Qatari pilots have been shut down everytime they have tried to open their mouthes. They always complained AB mistreats them, but these complaints go nowhere and come back to haunt them later.
Qatari pilots are never united, they step on each others feet. I guess everyone just cares for himself nowadays.
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Qatar Airways Diversion Cost on New year 2009
This morning 18 Qatar Airways Flights arriving to Doha diverted to Dammam and Baharain due thick fog in Doha. This situation could have been avoided if Flights were delayed departing from orginal destination ( Bah,Kwi,Auh,Dxb,Mct,Ika),this show the present managers from Europe and Aussies are not able to handle situation since there are coming from small low cost carriers.
some of the Indian Sub-continent turn around flights are not legal to operate in case of diversion beacuse captains cannot excersice Capt discretion.
Fuel Policy as per OFP introduce CP-Technical has cost QR lot of money today with delayed departure and divsersion.
Good start on Day one of 2009
Happy New to you all Cheers
some of the Indian Sub-continent turn around flights are not legal to operate in case of diversion beacuse captains cannot excersice Capt discretion.
Fuel Policy as per OFP introduce CP-Technical has cost QR lot of money today with delayed departure and divsersion.
Good start on Day one of 2009
Happy New to you all Cheers
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Little more info / updated on questions No. 3 & 5
3. As of now until June 2009 can't request to move out of the compound.
"The Provision of Company Accommodation to employees is a benefit extended by Qatar Airways. It is therefore the prerogative and sole responsibility of the Company to decide whether to provide suitable accommodation or to pay HRA."
5. You will only get to go for training in the UK if they are really backup on
training or the simulator is broken.
3. As of now until June 2009 can't request to move out of the compound.
"The Provision of Company Accommodation to employees is a benefit extended by Qatar Airways. It is therefore the prerogative and sole responsibility of the Company to decide whether to provide suitable accommodation or to pay HRA."
5. You will only get to go for training in the UK if they are really backup on
training or the simulator is broken.
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Its even better than that....
If you would have been living in your own paid house untill now and your greedy landlord kicks you out...
And you are lucky enough to be GRANTED a house in the Ain Khaled or Markhiya Biddonvilles....
You would then have to PAY around 3000QR/month to Qatar Airways because they claim you have been saving money all these years living on your own so now its payback time!
5 star airline ran by a bunch of idiots....from all the way up to all the way down!
Keep on diverting boys!
If you would have been living in your own paid house untill now and your greedy landlord kicks you out...
And you are lucky enough to be GRANTED a house in the Ain Khaled or Markhiya Biddonvilles....
You would then have to PAY around 3000QR/month to Qatar Airways because they claim you have been saving money all these years living on your own so now its payback time!
5 star airline ran by a bunch of idiots....from all the way up to all the way down!
Keep on diverting boys!
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How comes they will substarct 3000QR/month if you take the company accomodation..assuming you might have save 3000QR/month for a while...??!!
Can't believe this!I known Q.R is turning slowly but surely to a low cost carrier when it comes to the treatment of crew but still...Is this a new indian rule in Qatar airways!
Happy new year in QR!
Can't believe this!I known Q.R is turning slowly but surely to a low cost carrier when it comes to the treatment of crew but still...Is this a new indian rule in Qatar airways!Happy new year in QR!
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Great News!
Excellent, I've been paying a few thousand more than my allowance in rent over the last few years...does that mean that if I apply for an Ain Khalid Bunker I will get 3000 Qrs extra every month!? Surely Qr being a fair company things work both ways!
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If we follow this logic ..sure they should pay you...!
There is some nice villa for rent on the west bay for only 40.000QR/month, don't worry Q.R will paid the difference one day....
but before that just make sure that thinks are working both ways here...
There is some nice villa for rent on the west bay for only 40.000QR/month, don't worry Q.R will paid the difference one day....
but before that just make sure that thinks are working both ways here...