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So I guess some non type rated people will be needed on the 320 soon!
I wonder what will happen to the 320 pilots who will stay in QA? will they still be jumped over by new joiners???
I wonder what will happen to the 320 pilots who will stay in QA? will they still be jumped over by new joiners???
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Only ONE should resign from the A320 fleet: That useless chief pilot you guys have there! Whats his name: H.F. aka daggerboy!
He does not give a damn about that fleet and he is only there because he bent over for the CEO a couple of years ago.
Rumour has it that SS (CP A330) last week wrote a letter to QRs most hated person of the moment (P Mc N) saying that the rosters at the moment where illegal, put unnecessary stress on the crews, where designed without any form of crew consideration and most of all, that they where a huge SAFETY hazard!
He hereby emphaisised the apalling situation the A320 pilots find themselves in at the moment!
Imagine this: The CP A330 writing a letter to the manager rostering to defend the case of the A320 pilots, just because the A320 CP has his head so far up his ass that he does not even realise that, in case one of his airplanes has an incident these days, he IS the one responsible!
Ah YES: any new airplane rotation that is demanded by the commercial dept goes through rostering and is ALWAYS presented to the CP of the fleet in question for approval. It is one of the CPs tasks to say yes or no, based on pilot availilbility and his assesment. If he feels that the rotation is not feasible or that he does not have enough pilots to the job (which both is the case on A320 right now), he rejects the demand made by comm dept and they have to look for another solution!
The daggerlover unfortunately has not got a single clue what its all about so he just accepts any request made to his fleet! In any case, he only does long day flights and European layovers so why should HE care?
I just hope something happens soon so he can be put in JAIL!
Thanks GOD I am on a different fleet these days! I suffered enough with this person in the past!
Godspeed to all A320 drivers! You will need it in the future as your fleet is leeking pilots at a high rate!
He does not give a damn about that fleet and he is only there because he bent over for the CEO a couple of years ago.
Rumour has it that SS (CP A330) last week wrote a letter to QRs most hated person of the moment (P Mc N) saying that the rosters at the moment where illegal, put unnecessary stress on the crews, where designed without any form of crew consideration and most of all, that they where a huge SAFETY hazard!
He hereby emphaisised the apalling situation the A320 pilots find themselves in at the moment!
Imagine this: The CP A330 writing a letter to the manager rostering to defend the case of the A320 pilots, just because the A320 CP has his head so far up his ass that he does not even realise that, in case one of his airplanes has an incident these days, he IS the one responsible!
Ah YES: any new airplane rotation that is demanded by the commercial dept goes through rostering and is ALWAYS presented to the CP of the fleet in question for approval. It is one of the CPs tasks to say yes or no, based on pilot availilbility and his assesment. If he feels that the rotation is not feasible or that he does not have enough pilots to the job (which both is the case on A320 right now), he rejects the demand made by comm dept and they have to look for another solution!
The daggerlover unfortunately has not got a single clue what its all about so he just accepts any request made to his fleet! In any case, he only does long day flights and European layovers so why should HE care?
I just hope something happens soon so he can be put in JAIL!
Thanks GOD I am on a different fleet these days! I suffered enough with this person in the past!
Godspeed to all A320 drivers! You will need it in the future as your fleet is leeking pilots at a high rate!
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True words Shneidertrophy, but why would the Catamite King replace his most loyal Chamber Boy? What will happen will happen, just try to make the best of it for yourself, because you can't stop what's coming.
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Very true Black Stain.
I can only try to prevent it from happening on an airplaine under my command I guess!
I have to count on the professionalism of all you guys outhere when me or my family are flying as pax! We have to count on eachother for that!
I just hope I can do that! Count on ~the others~!
I can only try to prevent it from happening on an airplaine under my command I guess!
I have to count on the professionalism of all you guys outhere when me or my family are flying as pax! We have to count on eachother for that!
I just hope I can do that! Count on ~the others~!
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I visited the 320 CP to complain about the high fatigue level produced by the horrible roster.
Do you know what did he say?? "This is the nature of the 320 operations; we have to live with it, we are also short of captains"! REALLY??
If that is so, why are you blocking the 320 pilots while hiring direct
entry on the 330/777?? why don't you hire some of those UK NTR captains on the 320??
entry on the 330/777?? why don't you hire some of those UK NTR captains on the 320??
Indeed S.S. has a vision and the will to say NO when it comes to safety, I feel sorry for H.F. I wouldn't be able to sleep well at night knowing how my pilots look down at me!!
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Did anybody expected more from H F!!!!
Served the company for 8 years never been considered or selected or even recommended to be a trainer then suddenly was chosen for the CP position for a main fleet like the 320, and off-course pushed into the training with expedited TRE, I would love to see him doing a real training flights like S/O touch and gos on the 320, or S/O early actual landings not just in the box pushing buttons and picking on others mistakes.
S S & H M are the last hopes in this managements.
by the way where is A J! busy or not interested!
Served the company for 8 years never been considered or selected or even recommended to be a trainer then suddenly was chosen for the CP position for a main fleet like the 320, and off-course pushed into the training with expedited TRE, I would love to see him doing a real training flights like S/O touch and gos on the 320, or S/O early actual landings not just in the box pushing buttons and picking on others mistakes.
S S & H M are the last hopes in this managements.
by the way where is A J! busy or not interested!
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I happen to know of a British captain who has been offered DEC on the A320, he's a line trainer too. Whether or not he will join and help with numbers and perhaps lessen your apparent fatigue remains to be discovered. After reading your posts though I doubt he will be motivated to accept the offer.
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He will join and will be very motivated, also will get a TRE on the 320 within a time record disregarding the part A or QCAA and most important stepping on all the 320 poor non B pilots as far as IM & BW are here, and a good excuse is customized for him already since the 320 is short of captains and TREs
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archenergy , Don't worry about this UK captain, he will not be offered a 320 position, he will join DEC on the 330 like IM and BW.
When you say he is hesitant to accept the 320 it means one thing: He has other options..
That is exactly what we are talking about here when we say IM and BW are creating a mess in the flt ops.
Such a situation would not arise if the seniority is respected, and the flow goes from the 320 to the wide body to avoid creating such a bottle neck on the 320 fleet.
320 captains are flying about 90- 95 flying hours per month, they are short of about 20 captains!
My question is:
Why hire DECs Non Type Rated on the 330 and 777? not on the 320? and what's the future plan for the 320 drivers?? (beside encouraging resignations?)
When you say he is hesitant to accept the 320 it means one thing: He has other options..
That is exactly what we are talking about here when we say IM and BW are creating a mess in the flt ops.
Such a situation would not arise if the seniority is respected, and the flow goes from the 320 to the wide body to avoid creating such a bottle neck on the 320 fleet.
320 captains are flying about 90- 95 flying hours per month, they are short of about 20 captains!
My question is:
Why hire DECs Non Type Rated on the 330 and 777? not on the 320? and what's the future plan for the 320 drivers?? (beside encouraging resignations?)
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"Why hired non rated guys on 330§777 and not on 320....?"
Well do you honestly think that QR has that much option?
Imagine a non rated guy coming here for interview and telling QR ," well i will only join QR if you offer me 330 or 777 rating...."
What do you think QR will answer....??
I think a lot of guys simply donīt want to come here to fly 320,itīs not worth for a lot of them..(except the "desperated " one..).
Thatīs the problem we are facing now i think..
Well do you honestly think that QR has that much option?
Imagine a non rated guy coming here for interview and telling QR ," well i will only join QR if you offer me 330 or 777 rating...."
What do you think QR will answer....??
I think a lot of guys simply donīt want to come here to fly 320,itīs not worth for a lot of them..(except the "desperated " one..).
Thatīs the problem we are facing now i think..
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It happened couple of times , guys denied the A300 & A320 job offer so next day got revised 330 offer.
and guess what even many 320 rated pilots, got the offer on the 330 even without asking, and good reason as per I.T the former recruitment manager was to bond them and keep them for a while.
It happened couple of times , guys denied the A300 & A320 job offer so next day got revised 330 offer.
and guess what even many 320 rated pilots, got the offer on the 330 even without asking, and good reason as per I.T the former recruitment manager was to bond them and keep them for a while.
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There is a real simple solution to it....
Pay the 320 fleet based on duty time and give them a clear career perspective! Nobody should be stuck on that doomed fleet for anything longer than 2 years!
But hey, that probaly would be to logical!
Pay the 320 fleet based on duty time and give them a clear career perspective! Nobody should be stuck on that doomed fleet for anything longer than 2 years!
But hey, that probaly would be to logical!
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HI There:
Looks like everybody forgot the poors F/O waiting for more than 8 months for the upgrade, , you will find more than 20 new potential capts, with all the necesary expirience that the company need to operate the 320, weell adapted to the country, Flight ops, management, eviroment.
So way they still waiting if the need is there????
Looks like everybody forgot the poors F/O waiting for more than 8 months for the upgrade, , you will find more than 20 new potential capts, with all the necesary expirience that the company need to operate the 320, weell adapted to the country, Flight ops, management, eviroment.
So way they still waiting if the need is there????
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Straight from the horses mouth(?
?):
Interviews will happen again in Jan 2009
Upgrade training will continue in feb, once the previous group has finished.
Rate will be around 2/month and so far only on A320.
Thats the latest I have heard. Only time will tell.
Last week a rather expanded group of QR A320 pilots did the assesment at EY. 1/3 failed!!!!!!!So QR might not have a shortage of pilots, they will just have a shortage of capable pilots!
?):Interviews will happen again in Jan 2009
Upgrade training will continue in feb, once the previous group has finished.
Rate will be around 2/month and so far only on A320.
Thats the latest I have heard. Only time will tell.
Last week a rather expanded group of QR A320 pilots did the assesment at EY. 1/3 failed!!!!!!!So QR might not have a shortage of pilots, they will just have a shortage of capable pilots!
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Clostermann, when you say
it still means that 2/3 passed.
When the 320 fleet is about 20 captains short, you do the math to see that when 1/3 fails it means trouble ahead!!
Of course your valid point of losing the good pilots should worry all of us here, but again it looks like a plan to push away all the good pilots and hire friends and ex-colleagues of IM and BW!
expanded group of QR A320 pilots did the assessment at EY. 1/3 failed
When the 320 fleet is about 20 captains short, you do the math to see that when 1/3 fails it means trouble ahead!!
Of course your valid point of losing the good pilots should worry all of us here, but again it looks like a plan to push away all the good pilots and hire friends and ex-colleagues of IM and BW!
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Hmmm
I think that if most (or a lot of) the QA pilots that apply to Ethihad fail the interveiw means only one thing. Look at your left or right seat, are they capable? Good luck. QA.