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Expats will find the way!! they have licences and passports to do that!! Bahrainis? God bless them !! they can not even apply for tourist visa for the rest of the world!! they destroyed their country and the airline !!
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Then you add a hundred more licenced and unemployed tamkeen graduates and that figure becomes 140 from the bottom of the 'expats only' seniority list who will join the masalaama list.
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I am sorry to interrupt your fabulation party guys but GF with 20 airplanes, 100 Tamkeen boys to fly them and 140 expats leaving... That won't happen. The guy who calls the shots up there knows how to calculate the risk associated with level of experience in an airline's pilot group.
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Those 100 guys will not join Gulf Air acc to the minister if there is simly no space/demand. I'll quote him saying "anyone who thinks they will be joning if there is no space is crazy."
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Agreed, a hundred unemployed cadet pilots will not be ready inside a year. But I'm sure there will be a great political push for it.
I think just the fact that this meeting took place where there was a clear distinction and differentiation of the local and expat group, is enough concern for some.
I think just the fact that this meeting took place where there was a clear distinction and differentiation of the local and expat group, is enough concern for some.
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I tough was a company with male management.
Manslaughter has just started.
Shooting on your back it's easy!
Upgrade at 2 different speed for local and expats.
2 different speed on everything. Now they are gonna fire expates.
This is the way they appreciate peoples loyalty. People present day and night even during the unrest.
The message is clear expats are no more wellcome!
That's the cruel reality
Manslaughter has just started.
Shooting on your back it's easy!
Upgrade at 2 different speed for local and expats.
2 different speed on everything. Now they are gonna fire expates.
This is the way they appreciate peoples loyalty. People present day and night even during the unrest.
The message is clear expats are no more wellcome!
That's the cruel reality
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Airline in move to cut costs
By Ahmed Al Omari , Posted on » Friday, December 21, 2012
EXPATS working at Bahrain's national carrier will not receive severance packages if they are made redundant, as part of the airline's plan to cut costs, it has emerged.
Officials said Bahraini pilots will not lose their jobs as a result of Gulf Air's restructuring scheme, but confirmed the airline has stopped recruitment in all departments.
It comes as around 1,800 jobs could be axed as part of a deal to secure a BD185 million government bailout.
But at least we got a christmas e-card!
By Ahmed Al Omari , Posted on » Friday, December 21, 2012
EXPATS working at Bahrain's national carrier will not receive severance packages if they are made redundant, as part of the airline's plan to cut costs, it has emerged.Officials said Bahraini pilots will not lose their jobs as a result of Gulf Air's restructuring scheme, but confirmed the airline has stopped recruitment in all departments.
It comes as around 1,800 jobs could be axed as part of a deal to secure a BD185 million government bailout.
But at least we got a christmas e-card!
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It doesn't matter how many bums on seats you have, if the price ain't right it will always be a losing battle. In this case deciding not to take any extra fuel whenever possible is pretty much useless as well as it doesn't increase the profitability of that flight/company anyway. A bit black and white but you get the point, other considerations left aside.
They haven't mentioned the fact that many passengers, if not most, transfer onto other Gulf Air flights. So it's vital to get the right yield in order not to loose money from carrying one pax on two flights.
Surely the people deciding the prices know what to ask for and it's not being controlled by external influences. (Ie goverment etc) Nowadays most revenue in the business comes from 'other services' and not the ticket fare by itself. If that's where Gulf Air is lacking it needs to be adresses quickly.
Cutting popular routes means you will take a hit twice and when people go elsewhere it's damn hard to get them back, especially with the regions competions where Gulf Air is now only a minimal player. It's a bit like my previous airline that in all their wisdom decided to sell all their a/c spare parts they had in stock because someone calculated it was cheaper to buy when needed. Not long after the items were sold this prooved flawed (obviously) and they had to buy (their own) spares back at three times the price they sold them for. Someone made a nice profit on them and it wasn't the airline...
They haven't mentioned the fact that many passengers, if not most, transfer onto other Gulf Air flights. So it's vital to get the right yield in order not to loose money from carrying one pax on two flights.
Surely the people deciding the prices know what to ask for and it's not being controlled by external influences. (Ie goverment etc) Nowadays most revenue in the business comes from 'other services' and not the ticket fare by itself. If that's where Gulf Air is lacking it needs to be adresses quickly.
The unionist also confirmed that plans were underway to slash popular routes because they were not cost-effective.
"We told the minister that there are some routes that are always full that are going to be cut, so we asked why not just increase the price on these routes," stressed Mr Mahdi.
"We told the minister that there are some routes that are always full that are going to be cut, so we asked why not just increase the price on these routes," stressed Mr Mahdi.
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Mr Mahdi showing lack of economic reasoning. Increasing prices on popular routes will drive away customers faster than Louis Hamilton at the reins ! Axing routes with low customer interest is a good move in the current climate. Buba, were the routes you mentioned popular ? JH did the right things at that time. Liquidating & making the books look good was a reasonable move. Hedging fuel prices ws brilliant but he was not allowed to do so. Cutting costs was a prime motivator but when prevented to do so by the corrupt, he started to give up ! Oh & on the severance issue; expats were never offered a package. Everyone would have left if they had ! No, again, it was for locals only & the smart ones did the math, left & now run successful small businesses up & down the King Faisal highway !
Same old. Inept management.Corruption still rife. Because of "wasta", wrong people in the best jobs.
Same old. Inept management.Corruption still rife. Because of "wasta", wrong people in the best jobs.
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Definately kabul was not popular with the pilots.. Lol.
Anyways rarely was the load anywhere near 60% on those flights on average. Given the frequency, pax load and insurance.. It makes sense to bin them.
Ps... 'makin the books look good'.. In my book is just as good as tax evasion, in the end it will bite yo ass. grounding birds cause can't get the parts we needed when needed was no fun either,spent many a nights on the tarmac waiting for parts that did'nt materialise. But aint here to drag out the past.
Anyways rarely was the load anywhere near 60% on those flights on average. Given the frequency, pax load and insurance.. It makes sense to bin them.
Ps... 'makin the books look good'.. In my book is just as good as tax evasion, in the end it will bite yo ass. grounding birds cause can't get the parts we needed when needed was no fun either,spent many a nights on the tarmac waiting for parts that did'nt materialise. But aint here to drag out the past.
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The generous Bahrain pension scheme for locals after 20 years work (as explained to me and if correct)... I feel will eventually bankrupt the country and has already done much economic and financial damage to Gulf Air.
I was told that after 20years work which puts the first fully sponsored 1970 G.F. national pilots at around age 43...it is necessary for them at this young age and at the hight of their considerable skills to resign to trigger payments of their pension.
Thus being smart... these GF fully sponsored pilots now need to resign at age 43ish get their Bahrain pension... and they soon... seek further employment and a further pension... working for ..say EK..Bahrain Air..Air Arabia...SIA etc. etc.
It does seem ludicrous that the Bahrain government which now appears to be concerned at last about Gulf Air profitability... actually sits still... and allows.. these skills it has payed through the nose for its National pilots and also Expat. training to be used against them by their competitors. I just cannot figure out why they allow this constant drain.
When the Australian government was faced with this problem of its retired at 55years old pilots in its National airline going to SIA ready trained on B747 aircraft for 5 years retirement flying on salary plus previous pension... and also using their skills for a competitor.... they reacted... I am told by canceling their pensions until they were properly retired or not working for their competitors as pilots.
Fortunately... this opened up the doors in SIA for many Gulf Air expat.pilots and also fully trained but now retired Gulf National pilots.
The loss of Gulf National pilots and Expat. pilots before retirement age 60 or 65 by Gulf Air has cost Gulf Air millions and cost many more millions as these pilots now actively fly against them for the competition.
I hardly think SIA EK and all the airlines within 1000miles of Bahrain can believe their luck.... having an endless stream of pilots,engineers,and cabin crew fully trained by Gulf Air available to hire.
I was told that after 20years work which puts the first fully sponsored 1970 G.F. national pilots at around age 43...it is necessary for them at this young age and at the hight of their considerable skills to resign to trigger payments of their pension.
Thus being smart... these GF fully sponsored pilots now need to resign at age 43ish get their Bahrain pension... and they soon... seek further employment and a further pension... working for ..say EK..Bahrain Air..Air Arabia...SIA etc. etc.
It does seem ludicrous that the Bahrain government which now appears to be concerned at last about Gulf Air profitability... actually sits still... and allows.. these skills it has payed through the nose for its National pilots and also Expat. training to be used against them by their competitors. I just cannot figure out why they allow this constant drain.
When the Australian government was faced with this problem of its retired at 55years old pilots in its National airline going to SIA ready trained on B747 aircraft for 5 years retirement flying on salary plus previous pension... and also using their skills for a competitor.... they reacted... I am told by canceling their pensions until they were properly retired or not working for their competitors as pilots.
Fortunately... this opened up the doors in SIA for many Gulf Air expat.pilots and also fully trained but now retired Gulf National pilots.
The loss of Gulf National pilots and Expat. pilots before retirement age 60 or 65 by Gulf Air has cost Gulf Air millions and cost many more millions as these pilots now actively fly against them for the competition.
I hardly think SIA EK and all the airlines within 1000miles of Bahrain can believe their luck.... having an endless stream of pilots,engineers,and cabin crew fully trained by Gulf Air available to hire.
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Wow, retiring after only 20 years of 'productivity'! My dad for instance has been going for 46 years already and has got another 7 to go before retiring. IF they don't extend the retirement age again. They would have a right old fit here, that's already a 2 person productivity rolled in one and not even there yet.
What's also not helping is that lots of local people don't bother paying debts, be it water/elec/land/mortgages etc. This is how it was explained to me. After 10 or 20 years the debt is so humongus and obviously its never going to be collected. There seems to be now law stipulating you have to repay. Then the king wipes all those debts and the money is never collected and thus never reaches the goverment depriving the country of income. Again, this is how it was explained to me and could be totally b*s. Anyway I am sidetracking now, back to Gulf Air...
What's also not helping is that lots of local people don't bother paying debts, be it water/elec/land/mortgages etc. This is how it was explained to me. After 10 or 20 years the debt is so humongus and obviously its never going to be collected. There seems to be now law stipulating you have to repay. Then the king wipes all those debts and the money is never collected and thus never reaches the goverment depriving the country of income. Again, this is how it was explained to me and could be totally b*s. Anyway I am sidetracking now, back to Gulf Air...
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40&80, those laws governing pension payments have been changed, several who took their GOSI then went to other GCC carriers found out to their disappointment,
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Yeah them laws have changed. But i bet my bottom dollar none on this forum, maself included,would mind to find themselves on a pension and a well payed job. Bet most 9 to 5ivers.. Also wished they had a house in amwaj, a fancy car and a boat to boot. Catch ma drift ya'all. C'est la vie bwana.