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GF are operating extra flights today and tomorrow to LHR/KTM/FRA and CDG.
Did you all hear about the A320 bound to Doha today which burst a tire on takeoff? It closed the airport for sometime and many of the arrivals had to divert and some even cancelled their flights.
Did you all hear about the A320 bound to Doha today which burst a tire on takeoff? It closed the airport for sometime and many of the arrivals had to divert and some even cancelled their flights.
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All I can tell you about the delays on the Embraer, is the same situation each time. Nil spares due to credit/stores/gf supply issues. Nothing out of the norm so far on the aircraft them selves, just a lack of support and acknowledgement from GF...allthe reports this aside so far are very positive...2 x190 on the way later in the year...
Still at least you will be able to compete with the other regions operators now.gf,saudi air,nas, Oman, egypt, royal Jord...Jungle jets are flooding in on orders over the next 3 years.
Still at least you will be able to compete with the other regions operators now.gf,saudi air,nas, Oman, egypt, royal Jord...Jungle jets are flooding in on orders over the next 3 years.
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i heard nas and saudi are getting rid of their jungle jets because they are not SUITABLE for this region;i.e
ayload restrictions! and cargo pellet size..a318 would have been better,me thinks..same rating,nearly same spare parts,fleet commonalilty and all that stuff...flights on the a320 are always 80% full with cargo as well...so i dont see a reason to introduce a new type which is not suitable even from a passengers point of view and smaller just because the operating cost is 30%lower..genius sami has incurred more cost by continously changing interiors,changing the falcon to a chicken and giving out bonuses and expensive advertising,when all of this money spent could have been channelled in to a major rehaul of the current fleet to bring it on par with other gcc carriers who are light years ahead...
ayload restrictions! and cargo pellet size..a318 would have been better,me thinks..same rating,nearly same spare parts,fleet commonalilty and all that stuff...flights on the a320 are always 80% full with cargo as well...so i dont see a reason to introduce a new type which is not suitable even from a passengers point of view and smaller just because the operating cost is 30%lower..genius sami has incurred more cost by continously changing interiors,changing the falcon to a chicken and giving out bonuses and expensive advertising,when all of this money spent could have been channelled in to a major rehaul of the current fleet to bring it on par with other gcc carriers who are light years ahead...
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The only impression I get when I try to figure out the big picture is that Mr. Majaly is trying to make GF look like a "premium" LCC", or may be is trying to put the company in a gray zone between a fully capable national carrier and an LCC! If that is the case, then I would recommend him, as well as his marketeers and advisors, to go for some kind of a brush up course about Product Positioning and Market Segmentation! Although he didn't officially stated such intentions, I can't assume any better scenario for a vague future.
When you put your employees and the public in this area of confusion, then that should only make us think "fraud again"!! A typical rich media for plans behind the scene, isn't it?
Good luck
When you put your employees and the public in this area of confusion, then that should only make us think "fraud again"!! A typical rich media for plans behind the scene, isn't it?
Good luck
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Just heard on the jungle drums that the Embraer's are on hold as a review takes place. The major problem, as indicated by many, is luggage space. This aircraft is designed for commuter routes and passengers with briefcases whereas GF in their wisdom has put it on holiday routes where passengers take suitcases.
You know, you'd think that someone with all that airline experience coulda worked that out before
You know, you'd think that someone with all that airline experience coulda worked that out before
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Just heard on the jungle drums that the Embraer's are on hold as a review takes place. The major problem, as indicated by many, is luggage space
Hogan's Heros checked out these aircraft in 2004 and decided that they were not for GF because they could not carry the luggage, full stop. Indeed the study is probably still sitting in a filing cabinet in the Pink Palace.
I seem to remember that they even had an aircraft here on demo, so where are we going with this...?
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straight to the bank.....pretty simple. someone gets some backhanders as always.... plane looks good on paper as it is half the cost of 319. small baggage issues seem to go to wayside when big wigs see dollar signs ahead of everything else
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From the pink to the think.
Good morning you all,
I'm new on PPrune, but I'm not new in Gulf Air.
I absolutely respect all the comments about the business Plan, the CEO, the Embraer, etc.
I'm sure that most of the comment are from people who absolutely love to stay in GF and living in Bahrain.
What I'd like to say and see is a different approach to our problems.
Embraer is not our aircraft, T7 is our aircraft, and I think everybody agree.
But for the time being we have to think about the real problems of the flight deck and cabin crew of our airline.
Why our roster are always published with many delays, why we speak a lot about CRM and we have different roster with cabin crews, why we're looking forward to have only turn around and minimum rest?
Why 90% of our roster are scheduled to request a Captain discretion, and worst thing, why all of us go on discretion?
We are Pilots, all of us, everyday (local, expat, muslim, buddhist, jewish, captain, copilot, cadet, etc) complain about rostering, but nobody do anything to change this.
Is really Majali a problem for us? I don't think so. We are the problem.
Everyday I fly with a copilot called from a day off. Sometimes I fly with a Captain on the right seat called from a day off.
Is the Embraer the real problem?
Next month we're starting to have all turn around on 320, 330 & 340 to India, Nepal, and Pakistan flights.
Stop complaining about the business plan (we don't have the power and the knowledge to fight against it) and focus on our life.
2 days off, 1 day stand by, 2 days off in a row. . . this is a problem!
2 pilots in the Hotel, 8 Cabin Crew turn around is a problem.
Complain about the Jordan, but kick the lebanese in the ass (ok, I know he likes, but was a saying).
Greetings from Pink Palace.
I'm new on PPrune, but I'm not new in Gulf Air.
I absolutely respect all the comments about the business Plan, the CEO, the Embraer, etc.
I'm sure that most of the comment are from people who absolutely love to stay in GF and living in Bahrain.
What I'd like to say and see is a different approach to our problems.
Embraer is not our aircraft, T7 is our aircraft, and I think everybody agree.
But for the time being we have to think about the real problems of the flight deck and cabin crew of our airline.
Why our roster are always published with many delays, why we speak a lot about CRM and we have different roster with cabin crews, why we're looking forward to have only turn around and minimum rest?
Why 90% of our roster are scheduled to request a Captain discretion, and worst thing, why all of us go on discretion?
We are Pilots, all of us, everyday (local, expat, muslim, buddhist, jewish, captain, copilot, cadet, etc) complain about rostering, but nobody do anything to change this.
Is really Majali a problem for us? I don't think so. We are the problem.
Everyday I fly with a copilot called from a day off. Sometimes I fly with a Captain on the right seat called from a day off.
Is the Embraer the real problem?
Next month we're starting to have all turn around on 320, 330 & 340 to India, Nepal, and Pakistan flights.
Stop complaining about the business plan (we don't have the power and the knowledge to fight against it) and focus on our life.
2 days off, 1 day stand by, 2 days off in a row. . . this is a problem!
2 pilots in the Hotel, 8 Cabin Crew turn around is a problem.
Complain about the Jordan, but kick the lebanese in the ass (ok, I know he likes, but was a saying).
Greetings from Pink Palace.
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Totally agree with Pink Palace.Pls fix the roster.Why only two days off?Why flying on your days off? Etc....Unite together.I don't think Majali is a problem.
Bravo Pink Palace!!
Bravo Pink Palace!!
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greetings pink palace,itotally agree with you on most of the points you mentioned..2years ago we implemented no flying on days off for a while on the a320fleet...alot of local captains and fos were involved,it had such a positive effect,that management called an unofficial meeting to listen to our demands and promised positive changes in the coming months about issues like i.e.rosters,leave,blocks,turnarounds,career progression,fleet transfer but as usual nothing happened..
if you want to stop flying on your days off i am sure all of us are in to it..but make sure that everyone or at least 90% of the pilots are involved and you cant get fired for not flying on your days off! the guys that have submitted their resignation are due to leave in may and the coming months,its summer,lots of flights,they are short on the a320 and 330/340 fleet,perfect timing..hit em hard! let mr.abboud and sami deal with the mess that will ensue..they have made everyones life miserable..
if you want to stop flying on your days off i am sure all of us are in to it..but make sure that everyone or at least 90% of the pilots are involved and you cant get fired for not flying on your days off! the guys that have submitted their resignation are due to leave in may and the coming months,its summer,lots of flights,they are short on the a320 and 330/340 fleet,perfect timing..hit em hard! let mr.abboud and sami deal with the mess that will ensue..they have made everyones life miserable..
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Not so long ago the ATPL allowance was removed. No one said a word. That was just the start of what came. Loss of competent Flight Attendants, while the lazy ones are still working. Then loss of over 60's. Omanis running for better secured jobs. Almost makes me think it was planned... Months later bahrainis recieve 80 or 180 BHD extra.
We pilots have no real idea of what the near or far future holds. I doubt the management does either. Most of us love living here. But to be shafted as we have seen others so many times before. To stay... Very loyal or very stupid.
You decide.
We pilots have no real idea of what the near or far future holds. I doubt the management does either. Most of us love living here. But to be shafted as we have seen others so many times before. To stay... Very loyal or very stupid.
You decide.
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i heard that Saudi are getting rid of their jungle jets as they are completely unsuitable for the region
The aircraft makes money whereas an A318 would be commercially unviable.
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And how much cargo is carried on the domestic route structure? You cant compare the A320 and E170, they have completely different route structures and mission profiles.
Within Saudi Arabia, there are airports which must be served as part of a public service obligation (PSO), SAMA and NAS got their licences on the premise that they would operate some of these routes. Unfortunately for them they chose the B737 and A320 as their initial aircraft, neither of which are suited to operate most of these PSO routes. Hence the reason NAS got the E190 and SAMA started operating a Jetstream 41, both airlines have since dropped the PSO routes due to their economics......
We looked very closely at the 737 and A318/9 before buying the E170. The new A320/1 fleets were never intended to replace the E170, rather its intended to replace the MD90 entirely and the B777 on certain routes. The fleet commonalities of the A318/9 still wouldn't justify putting them on the PSO routes.
However, SVA have a significant domestic route structure.... GF has none! Hence the passengers have completely different requirements regarding luggage.
Mutt
Within Saudi Arabia, there are airports which must be served as part of a public service obligation (PSO), SAMA and NAS got their licences on the premise that they would operate some of these routes. Unfortunately for them they chose the B737 and A320 as their initial aircraft, neither of which are suited to operate most of these PSO routes. Hence the reason NAS got the E190 and SAMA started operating a Jetstream 41, both airlines have since dropped the PSO routes due to their economics......
We looked very closely at the 737 and A318/9 before buying the E170. The new A320/1 fleets were never intended to replace the E170, rather its intended to replace the MD90 entirely and the B777 on certain routes. The fleet commonalities of the A318/9 still wouldn't justify putting them on the PSO routes.
However, SVA have a significant domestic route structure.... GF has none! Hence the passengers have completely different requirements regarding luggage.
Mutt