Gulf Air Developments

[T O G A Boy]

ironbutt do u seriously think skybed is a pilot. with that attitude that u wont touch with a barge pole.. huh
Thank God, i have him along with his alias names, uglyraed etc on my ignore list...
Regarding the DEC.s it was on our mail not long ago that the upgrade program is going as planned and i personally believe it is, cause of the guys i have seen training recently...

[DesertHawk]

ironbutt: looked on my email and yes they have sent some comms....but GF has always lacked in clear communications. When they have a plan on what will happen for the next little while they should comm with us. I mean really comm not just a 2 para letter. exact details on our lives for the next 2-3 years. it is not rocket science and GF has always been very poor at comm with anyone. I expect this will never happen but heres to dreaming!!!
a few examples on things people need to know;

1. Details on the process to move from 330/340 to 320 or EMB(nu,bers required and timeframe)
2. Upgrade program and if/when will happen on EMB and if required time on type!!!
3. if we will ever get a proper rostering system

i can go on but these are 3 basic things that everyone know!!! i can not imagine that giving us an idea is that difficult. but hey i guess they need to ask AA how to do it as he seems to be the expert at everything!

[Duh]

You can wish and hope and pray and rationalize all you want, and hope what will happen and think what should happen and and and................be the last in line at your next airline. Yea, but I think your right guys. Hold out to the very day and minute. And just keep thinking positive thoughts, that will make it better

[DesertHawk]

u know for some of us it is not about being at the best or biggest. it is about getting what we want out of life and our LIMITED time we choose to spend ever here. so if GF matches up with our PLAN then why should we leave if we enjoy bahrain??? constructive thoughts and criticism is always a good thing when u either want to make things better or actually understand why u are here. i tottally get why some guys are wanting out but please dont act like everyone needs to accept were all doomed.

[Panama Jack]

DesertHawk

As it is, the following sentiments are common in our industry:

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I guess it's integral to human nature. It further explains why, in spite of the poor reputation of the working and living environment at certain airlines in the region, so many pilots continue to be attracted to them (we know which ones I mean).



That large fleet of big, new, shiny jets looks sooooo irresistable!

[brassplate]

duh must be one of those guys. only in it to fly new metal.

[ironbutt57]

I guess if you live for your job, then chasing shiny long-haul metal is your thing,if thats your thing, then more power to you..i work so I can enjoy life...size and smell of the metal not that important..yes the comms could be a bit more detailed, I sure as the plan finalizes, operations will be communicating with us further and in more detail..

[Skybeds]

from what i heard.. GF will basically go all economy class. as some of most of the airline which have the emb have fully Y class configuration. The only J class aircraft will be the 320s and the 5 330s which GF will receive (hopefully)

[ironbutt57]

The 330's and 320 family will comprise the vast majority of the fleet

[Skybeds]

The 330's and 320 family will comprise the vast majority of the fleet

i hope that your right . i heard that GF would greatly decrease the orders of the 330s. as they said that they would "review" their orders with airbus.in other words reduce number of wide body aircraft from their fleet. And it was clearly stated that the fleet would primarily consist of narrow body aircraft.

[ShirleyNot]

The know what will happen at GF the best thing to do is probably look at Royal Jordanian.

[Skybeds]

The know what will happen at GF the best thing to do is probably look at Royal Jordanian.

well said..
from what i know the aviation sector in gulf region had a total loss of 1.3 billion.. surprisingly most of the money lost was from GF.. imagine that the airline with a fleet consisting of 30 aircraft is losing more than the airlines which has 100 plus aircraft.
no plan for GF will be successful until or unless those blood sucking upper management would leave.

[boiler]

surprisingly most of the money lost was from GF

IMHO, QR and EY are also losing, but they do not publish their results as far as I know. So the losses are far greater for the region than what IATA says.

[Panama Jack]

IMHO, QR and EY are also losing, but they do not publish their results as far as I know. So the losses are far greater for the region than what IATA says.

You hit the nail on the head. Even if financial results were published, their accuracy would be questionable because of the numerous combination of ways in which financials can be calculated. GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) do not exist in the region. Generally speaking, there are two reasons why financials are published-- 1) for the stockholders (none in the region-- wholy owned by the Governments) or 2) because the Government taxman requires it (again, not here).

I suspect that the other major airlines (including Emirates) have at least the amount of losses that Gulf Air suffers, the difference being that these governments have deeper pockets and other priorities.

[Skybeds]

ok if December ends without any announcements of the cancellations of the airbus orders, that means that we are getting the 20 330s.from what i know, this is the last month in which GF has a chance to change their orders.

[Panama Jack]

Maybe.

Airlines have a way of selling their aircraft before they are delivered too.

[Noahs Arc]

Hot News

I just received lattest news they are looking for 14 F/Os and 14 Capts for the first two Embraer the selection at this time is on its way,the type rating will be conducted at Oxford flying school for six weeks,no worries guys there is a chinese take away fried rice for 6 pounds.No command upgrade will be done in this fleet.you volunteer you go still by senority basis.So E.Ts its time to go home.

[ironbutt57]

Mmmm didn't see that webmail....interesting...

[Mephistopheles]

Well there still no proper & meaningful communication from Sami & Nasser. Most probably since neither of them know what the hell to say to us. Nasser(& many others) already has his back up plan & of course Sami doesn't give a rats when we go under since he can run back to Jordan with his ill gotten gains. The resignation rate is slowly picking up ut one thing in GFs favor is that most gulf airlines are not giving jobs until the middle to 3rd quarter of 2010. By then I am sure the flood gates will will wide open & the question will not be IF you are leaving but WHEN are you leaving. Also guys do not listen to blind optimism of the instructors since a majority of them have been offered contracts with Mumtalakat/GAAC so they are all sitting pretty safe at the moment & don't want to rock the boat. Guys keep your eyes open for any desent jobs that come up & do not let your misguided feelings of loyalty prevent you from securing you & your families futures. This is of extreme importance since both the chairman of the board & the CEO say this IS the LAST chance for GF-so what happens when it all turns to s***??? Do you really want to gamble & be around to find out??? Good luck all.

[Panama Jack]

Soooo . . . .

Anybody care to guess a date for when we hear something definite about the new "regional jet" aircraft type and numbers?