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The problem is simple!
The last time GF considered flying into Iraq they hired a British security company to design a plan. I know one GF captain who was involved. In short they said forces would fan out 1 hour prior to arr. in a 3 km circle (maybe 5km).
When asked about the range of attacks possible by various weapons currently in use in Iraq by insurgents they were told that thye had ranges well in excess of 5 km! The security team had no other answers. Needless to say the pilots were not accepting it.
If GF can't secure the saftey of its crews then either they should not fly into the airport or they should offer the crews the CHOICE as to whether or not they operate.
The last time GF considered flying into Iraq they hired a British security company to design a plan. I know one GF captain who was involved. In short they said forces would fan out 1 hour prior to arr. in a 3 km circle (maybe 5km).
When asked about the range of attacks possible by various weapons currently in use in Iraq by insurgents they were told that thye had ranges well in excess of 5 km! The security team had no other answers. Needless to say the pilots were not accepting it.
If GF can't secure the saftey of its crews then either they should not fly into the airport or they should offer the crews the CHOICE as to whether or not they operate.
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why the British army? whats wrong with the American army? I know that every one of you is concerned in starting the flights to iraq.Hopefully ,its the right decision.If they dump the plan now,the airline would make further losses as they would have to answer hundreds of people who already bought the tickets.. As i said if RJ is safe in flying to Iraq then why isnt GF?
I wouldn't worry because i know that the airline has taken extra safety precautions
I wouldn't worry because i know that the airline has taken extra safety precautions
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Bahrain Air to commence flights to Baghdad, Najaf
Staff Report
Published: August 11, 2009, 17:33
Dubai: Bahrain Air, announced Tuesday that it has taken the necessary preparations to commence direct commercial flights from Bahrain to the Republic of Iraq, Baghdad and Najaf, International Airports at a total of seven flights a week, where by two weekly flights to Baghdad International Airport, and five weekly flights to Najaf International Airport, starting from August 28, 2009
Published: August 11, 2009, 17:33
Dubai: Bahrain Air, announced Tuesday that it has taken the necessary preparations to commence direct commercial flights from Bahrain to the Republic of Iraq, Baghdad and Najaf, International Airports at a total of seven flights a week, where by two weekly flights to Baghdad International Airport, and five weekly flights to Najaf International Airport, starting from August 28, 2009
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good work GF!
hopefully the the destination would not be any trouble. Its nice to see that GF thinks outside the box.The other gulf carriers are flying to the US but GF is thinking in flying to Iraq! I guess the planes will be filled with journalists/reporters and the pilgrims. I guess the airline might get into history books for that because it will make a significant statement that the situation in Iraq is improving.
for some reason my spell checker is not working for some odd reason so don't mind the typos.
for some reason my spell checker is not working for some odd reason so don't mind the typos.
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hopefully the the destination would not be any trouble.
Its nice to see that GF thinks outside the box.
I guess the planes will be filled with journalists/reporters and the pilgrims.
I guess the airline might get into history books for that because it will make a significant statement that the situation in Iraq is improving.
regarding the underlined, YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING!!!!!!! it is morons like you with their heads up their sphincters that are the major problem in the gulf.
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open your eyes. reading the paper now 20 dead 30 injured in suicide bomb in iraq. goes on to say one of many in the last week. tristar be realistic this is not a regional pride issue and u are starting to sound totally illogical and borderline crazy. the more i think of this the more i wonder how long many of us will be at GF. sad to say
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Gulf Daily News » Local News » Airline vows skills plan for Bahrainis
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....bahrainisation features a lot nowadays. together with 'loyalty', maybe this is gfs new way of weeding out 'disloyal' expats who refuse to fly to iraq and therefore push further the bahrainisation agenda of gf.
is this the same competence displayed by the likes of tristarfivestar, wingsman and uglyraed?
in particular:
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....On the contrary, the national carrier with its new administration intends to continue upgrading human resources and increasing the rate of Bahrainisation out of a belief in the competence and loyalty of Bahraini workers to their company, he said.
is this the same competence displayed by the likes of tristarfivestar, wingsman and uglyraed?
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......the silence is deafening.
no one has a good answer for that one. because there is no good answer. silence means that you are right and whoever is for this venture is hoping you will just go away.
bastards.
no one has a good answer for that one. because there is no good answer. silence means that you are right and whoever is for this venture is hoping you will just go away.
bastards.
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maybe this is gfs new way of weeding out 'disloyal' expats who refuse to fly to iraq and therefore push further the bahrainisation agenda of gf.
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Well that's interesting! Care to expand on the subject?
Culture 'A': Sweeping negative news under the carpet, hunting down whistle blowers, passing on responsibility, and masking failure.
Allowing the societal characteristics of culture 'A' to seep into and become the corporate culture of an organization such as an airline where safety is paramount is a recipe for disaster.
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i would take my family to Iraq as long as we stay in the plane and dont get out of the terminal. I have heard that even Pakistan had some tough times with the terrorist/bombs and the assassination but GF used to fly there anyways. I dont see the political difference in the two places. I hope every one remembers that GF used to fly even in the gulf war. E|ven when the yemen air was shot down for some reason.So whats wrong with iraq? If it isnt safe for GF to fly to Iraq then why is it safe for GF to fly Pakistan?
And please try to answer my question
And please try to answer my question
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while we're at it, why don't we commence services to kabul and kandahar?
get where i'm getting at?
by the way, iraq is officially a war zone. pakistan is not.
let me reiterate what i said before.
Bomb attacks targeting Shia pilgrims kill at least 37 in Iraq - The Irish Times - Sat, Aug 08, 2009
a lot of shiite from bahrain will be interested in going to baghdad because of the holy sites. apart from those places, the only other concentration of these shiites will be at the airport, making airports easy targets.
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flying to iraq is not safe. nothing can prevent someone launching a missile from a shoulder launcher at you on approach and departure. this has been proven by the shooting of the dhl a300. things have NOT improved since then.
come on!!!! pull your head out of your ring, buddy. if you are a gf manager which i think you are, woe to all of us!!
is that question meant to make iraq look safe?
to educate you, risk increases when exposure increases. like the roads in bahrain....spend enough time on them, you're bound to have a prang with some idiot who is on the mobile while balancing a baby on one knee and scratching his gonads with the other hand. you keep insisting on going to dangerous places, you increase the chances of getting caught. it is called risk management. you minimise risk, not subject yourself to more of it. not in this industry. and don't you dare say the little book on the dash will protect us all.
get where i'm getting at?
by the way, iraq is officially a war zone. pakistan is not.
let me reiterate what i said before.
Bomb attacks targeting Shia pilgrims kill at least 37 in Iraq - The Irish Times - Sat, Aug 08, 2009
a lot of shiite from bahrain will be interested in going to baghdad because of the holy sites. apart from those places, the only other concentration of these shiites will be at the airport, making airports easy targets.
i
would take my family to Iraq as long as we stay in the plane and dont get out of the terminal.
So whats wrong with iraq?
If it isnt safe for GF to fly to Iraq then why is it safe for GF to fly Pakistan?
to educate you, risk increases when exposure increases. like the roads in bahrain....spend enough time on them, you're bound to have a prang with some idiot who is on the mobile while balancing a baby on one knee and scratching his gonads with the other hand. you keep insisting on going to dangerous places, you increase the chances of getting caught. it is called risk management. you minimise risk, not subject yourself to more of it. not in this industry. and don't you dare say the little book on the dash will protect us all.
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1. Pakistan is not currently a war zone.
2. Changing Military control in Iraq. Americans are currently in process of changing over responsibility to Iraqi control. Unfortunately no one knows what the outcome will be and like it or not until this situation is stable and proves it has sustainability no one can assure safety.
3. Read the paper!!!!! I have skipped through monthly number on civilian deaths over the past 6 months in Iraq. Causes are various. Suicide bombs, car bombs, IED's. These are happening at a rate that is unsafe for civilian expats to even consider visiting.
4. No ability to overnight. Fact is is something ever did happen what is the crews options? Stay in aircraft
Try to convince someone that it is safe when they can not leave the terminal for fear of death!!!\
5. Life insurance is not awarded in case of death inside a war zone. The reason these companies have clauses is because if u are in a internationally recognized war zone chance of death is greatly increased. (not sure but i think it is very obvious)
Tristar: I can go on but, I am getting bored of trying to explain something that you have no interest in even considering. Facts are all neutral governments, including mine, clearly state not to travel at all to Iraq. It is too early to consider civilian aircraft operations in Iraq. I know it will happen eventually and that is a positive step. Honestly though I came here to fly aircraft in a safe, professional environment not to be told to fly into a war zone where there have been over 2200 deaths in the last 6 months or so. Some may laugh and hate GF but overall it has been great. This is just something I can not overlook due to many factors. It is just sad that Gf has to be the testing grounds cause we have fallen so far behind. End of the day you can go there if you want but I am taking care of me first. My arse is not gonna go until I feel 100percent so sit back and say what u want.!!!
2. Changing Military control in Iraq. Americans are currently in process of changing over responsibility to Iraqi control. Unfortunately no one knows what the outcome will be and like it or not until this situation is stable and proves it has sustainability no one can assure safety.
3. Read the paper!!!!! I have skipped through monthly number on civilian deaths over the past 6 months in Iraq. Causes are various. Suicide bombs, car bombs, IED's. These are happening at a rate that is unsafe for civilian expats to even consider visiting.
4. No ability to overnight. Fact is is something ever did happen what is the crews options? Stay in aircraft
Try to convince someone that it is safe when they can not leave the terminal for fear of death!!!\5. Life insurance is not awarded in case of death inside a war zone. The reason these companies have clauses is because if u are in a internationally recognized war zone chance of death is greatly increased. (not sure but i think it is very obvious)
Tristar: I can go on but, I am getting bored of trying to explain something that you have no interest in even considering. Facts are all neutral governments, including mine, clearly state not to travel at all to Iraq. It is too early to consider civilian aircraft operations in Iraq. I know it will happen eventually and that is a positive step. Honestly though I came here to fly aircraft in a safe, professional environment not to be told to fly into a war zone where there have been over 2200 deaths in the last 6 months or so. Some may laugh and hate GF but overall it has been great. This is just something I can not overlook due to many factors. It is just sad that Gf has to be the testing grounds cause we have fallen so far behind. End of the day you can go there if you want but I am taking care of me first. My arse is not gonna go until I feel 100percent so sit back and say what u want.!!!
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so I take it you do not fly as a passenger when the flightdeck crew is of "Culture A?
Nine years ago when GF 072 was driven into the ground, the accident reports showed that the pathological culture I described earlier was indeed a contributing factor to the chain of errors that that took place on that evening.
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Mike.Fart, firstly you seem to have great insight into the GF072 crash which in itself is amazing since you must have been been 13 yrs old when it happened!!! Secondly, going on about culture A & culture B you really do sound like one of the annoying f/os I fly with that talk crap for hours with very little substance except trying to show why they should be given commands here. Do us all a favor & wind your neck in.