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Vivace, assuming the mideast remains the only option...(i don't think so but),
This will still mean a lot of option for QR pilots willing to leave for a better "treatment"or a better place to stay..(EK,EY,Air arabia, Gulf air, Bahrain Air,Fly Dubai,Jazeera..).Isn't it?
This will still mean a lot of option for QR pilots willing to leave for a better "treatment"or a better place to stay..(EK,EY,Air arabia, Gulf air, Bahrain Air,Fly Dubai,Jazeera..).Isn't it?
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Vivace,
I wonder why you are the only one talking about the "expected " reduction in job offers in many forums.....I hope you are not one of the management pilots trying to keep us grateful for working in a company with the least privileges and benefits in the Mid East.
Allow me to disagree completely with you, like loc22550 said: Air Arabia, Bahrain Air, Etihad, Emirates, NAS and others will always hire, each one of them offers a more benefits for crew, varies between one month on/one month off roster, to great provident fund, to 13 months salary, to profit sharing program...etc.
Meanwhile QA is continuously paying the high cost of training new joiners to replace the resigning pilots, but hey...they are saving on crew hotels, free days off, free STBY duty...etc.
I wonder why you are the only one talking about the "expected " reduction in job offers in many forums.....I hope you are not one of the management pilots trying to keep us grateful for working in a company with the least privileges and benefits in the Mid East.
Allow me to disagree completely with you, like loc22550 said: Air Arabia, Bahrain Air, Etihad, Emirates, NAS and others will always hire, each one of them offers a more benefits for crew, varies between one month on/one month off roster, to great provident fund, to 13 months salary, to profit sharing program...etc.
Meanwhile QA is continuously paying the high cost of training new joiners to replace the resigning pilots, but hey...they are saving on crew hotels, free days off, free STBY duty...etc.
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I'm really not sure whether the statement "0 riyal for out of base off days" is true.... coz from the last pay, I still got my out of base days off payment...
Anyhow...there's a message in the AIMS saying that there's some miscalculation regarding allowances for the previous month. Hope that's the real culprit....
It'll be a smack in the face if they really stopped it....
Anyhow...there's a message in the AIMS saying that there's some miscalculation regarding allowances for the previous month. Hope that's the real culprit....
It'll be a smack in the face if they really stopped it....
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thanx capt krunch for the correction ,regarding days off i think in part A it says 7 days off per month but doesnt specify in doha or outstation,i will try to find exactly where its mentioned .
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It is in my contract, for what ist worth!
In all honesty, what vivace is saying might be not so far of the truth after all I am afraid.
Loadfactors are reducing all over the place, and I am sure pretty soon we well get a memo from the chief pointing this all out!
I dont think its a good time to move either. Must be a realtime constant wet dream for these managers....
In all honesty, what vivace is saying might be not so far of the truth after all I am afraid.
Loadfactors are reducing all over the place, and I am sure pretty soon we well get a memo from the chief pointing this all out!
I dont think its a good time to move either. Must be a realtime constant wet dream for these managers....
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We all know about world economy going down and Qatar should be a safe place ( except if you are drunk ) reqarding economy .But still we have a lot of resignation this month 3 Capt A330 4 F/O A320 and 2 F/O330. Place must be raall bad if people still leaving .
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For your ill informed info. capt ward is not from a chartered outfit! but from a very well run scheduled carrier!
Its a tough biz in the real airline world!you are all so spoilt and out of touch with the economics of running an airline out there in the desert outback! For so long the Indian mafia have run QR with all the spies and under dealings which AAB always encouraged!
Its a tough biz in the real airline world!you are all so spoilt and out of touch with the economics of running an airline out there in the desert outback! For so long the Indian mafia have run QR with all the spies and under dealings which AAB always encouraged!
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B.W. is not from a charter airline? So why he is changing our flt ops to a low cost charter operations style?
Are we really so spoilt and out of touch with the economics? Or is BW?
Are we really so spoilt and out of touch with the economics? Or is BW?
Let him take a good look at the operator next door and see how they tie pilots to the airline with benefits (provient fund, paid STBY time and repected seniority list...etc) not with denying privileges.
I am sorry I forgot that some of us got great privileges: e.g. BMW, 140K salary (almost double the current EVAPO) a luxurious accommodation, confirmed tickets, tailored roster to match family needs.
You know what? If I get the same benefits, I will even reduce all your salaries, to please my CEO, and gat more benefits. Sorry, that is how it works because I am not out of touch with the economics!
Let me quote these pilots comments about the Indian management mafia you mentioned, just to have a feel of the public opinion in QA.
shneidertrophy wrote:
One sad record they have broken already: That one of plumetting flight ops morale to unknown depths on the shortest period of time possible!
At least the Indian Birdy Namnam management gave us all something to look foreward to (upgrades/transfers/payrise), the Nigels do not even bother doing that! On the contrary: Hotac quality goes down, pay goes down, no more transfers, upgrades big question mark!!!
But to be fair, I prefer the Indian management, at least we were not blocked on the 320 while the 330 and 777 are receiving DECs, they were clever enough to promote the 320 pilots and hire their men on the 320 assuring them to transfer on time.
P.S. I am not Indian national at all. I was type rated, no special privileges.
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And I Quote:
Crew members will:
a) not be on duty more than 7 consecutive days between days off, but may be positioned to
the usual operating base on the next day after which they will have 2 consecutive days
off, and
b) have 2 consecutive days off in any consecutive 14 days following the previous 2
consecutive days off, and
c) have a minimum of 7 days off in any consecutive 4 weeks, and
d) have an average of at least 8 days off in each consecutive 4 week period, averaged over
3 such periods.
End Quote:
please tell me where is says your days OFF must be in Doha.. it doesn't. that was once in revision 1 maybe, but in Rev 5 it's no longer. I have had many a schedule with only 5 days in home base while all the rest were out-station. not to mention, they are now deduction my salary on a monthly basis because some idiot payed us 1.5% instead of 0.5% .. so now i'm paying for something i didn't want either way.
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Krunch
Crew members will:
a) not be on duty more than 7 consecutive days between days off, but may be positioned to
the usual operating base on the next day after which they will have 2 consecutive days
off, and
b) have 2 consecutive days off in any consecutive 14 days following the previous 2
consecutive days off, and
c) have a minimum of 7 days off in any consecutive 4 weeks, and
d) have an average of at least 8 days off in each consecutive 4 week period, averaged over
3 such periods.
End Quote:
please tell me where is says your days OFF must be in Doha.. it doesn't. that was once in revision 1 maybe, but in Rev 5 it's no longer. I have had many a schedule with only 5 days in home base while all the rest were out-station. not to mention, they are now deduction my salary on a monthly basis because some idiot payed us 1.5% instead of 0.5% .. so now i'm paying for something i didn't want either way.
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Krunch
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No Joke:
Nice selfish way of thinking, everytime you and your buddies do that, one of us gets called out on our standby. Do you really think thats a solution. do you like being pulled off a standby with just a few hours to report for a 5 to 7 day trip?
Thanx allot for that one..
Nice selfish way of thinking, everytime you and your buddies do that, one of us gets called out on our standby. Do you really think thats a solution. do you like being pulled off a standby with just a few hours to report for a 5 to 7 day trip?
Thanx allot for that one..
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Hmmmmmmmm
Capt Chomp. I see your point, but what if a great deal of people went sick? As for being selfish do you not think 'fixing' rosters with bribes is not equally selfish. Do you not think reducing our pay by giving ridiculous block times, no pay for days off down route, reduced HOTAC standards etc, etc is not selfish? At the end of the day 'selfish' actions by a number of persons might get the message across. ie. the planes don't fly on thier own. Enlighten us with your selfless wisdom and give a solution. Please don't say turn the other cheek.Refuse the poison and don't compromise!
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As I said before, I have never had a month in this airline without my 7 days off in Doha!
Tha ACN used to be there but is gone, you are right about that. And OM does not mention it anymore. The last contract I signed (Loooong time back) still states this requirement, so I go by that one!
So I guess its down to personalities than, isnt it? Or demanding what is rightfully yours!
I agree with you on the going sick part, everytime you call in sick another colleague will be pulled out!
I used to believe in this in my previous airline. However, facing the fact that I am pulled out on every standby anyway here, it must be that nobody else gives a damn about this, so why should I ?
Unfortunately you are on your own overhere.....
Mike Tuck is right....the only way to change things are by making them feel the pain! ASRs and grounding airplanes by not agreeing to the pleeds of rostering "Iam sorry captain but we really have no one else to operate the flight, PPLLleeaaassee" will help us!
MAybe than the management will finally see that we DO NOT have the crews to fullfill their commercial demands and that they have been lied to by both crewing and their chief pilots!
A320 is -22 captains at the moment! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? Shouldnt there be a manager resposible for this? What about the chief pilot? Why for gods sake is he in that office when he can not even manage to handle a simple thing like adjusting crew needs to commercial demand!
A330 captains are flying barely 55hrs/month! So there we have the opposite phenomenon! Under utilisation!
A340 all of a sudden is all hands on deck, after two years of paid holliday! They released too many pilots!
B777 has 40 crews doing nothing! OK, Boeing strike has something to do with this but at the end, the 777 trng dept was lucky the strike was there otherwise they would have been to be blamed as they would never have been able to handle the training demand!
In any normal company, the managers responsible for such a waste of money and bad planning, would be fired on the spot! But not in QR!
In QR they will try to recover the money from us, the crews!
Tha ACN used to be there but is gone, you are right about that. And OM does not mention it anymore. The last contract I signed (Loooong time back) still states this requirement, so I go by that one!
So I guess its down to personalities than, isnt it? Or demanding what is rightfully yours!
I agree with you on the going sick part, everytime you call in sick another colleague will be pulled out!
I used to believe in this in my previous airline. However, facing the fact that I am pulled out on every standby anyway here, it must be that nobody else gives a damn about this, so why should I ?
Unfortunately you are on your own overhere.....
Mike Tuck is right....the only way to change things are by making them feel the pain! ASRs and grounding airplanes by not agreeing to the pleeds of rostering "Iam sorry captain but we really have no one else to operate the flight, PPLLleeaaassee" will help us!
MAybe than the management will finally see that we DO NOT have the crews to fullfill their commercial demands and that they have been lied to by both crewing and their chief pilots!
A320 is -22 captains at the moment! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? Shouldnt there be a manager resposible for this? What about the chief pilot? Why for gods sake is he in that office when he can not even manage to handle a simple thing like adjusting crew needs to commercial demand!
A330 captains are flying barely 55hrs/month! So there we have the opposite phenomenon! Under utilisation!
A340 all of a sudden is all hands on deck, after two years of paid holliday! They released too many pilots!
B777 has 40 crews doing nothing! OK, Boeing strike has something to do with this but at the end, the 777 trng dept was lucky the strike was there otherwise they would have been to be blamed as they would never have been able to handle the training demand!
In any normal company, the managers responsible for such a waste of money and bad planning, would be fired on the spot! But not in QR!
In QR they will try to recover the money from us, the crews!
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Correction
Dear Closterman,
I like your posts but in one way You should correct your nomenclature. We do not have real managers they should be called:
CHAIRHOLDERS
You may now the 3 monkeys: don't hear, don't see and don't speak.
I like your posts but in one way You should correct your nomenclature. We do not have real managers they should be called:
CHAIRHOLDERS
You may now the 3 monkeys: don't hear, don't see and don't speak.
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Managers ? What are you talking about .
A 330 we should say ok S.S.S ,H.A,M.H with roster R.P are doing good job but we have sham fleet A320 with a joke people CP he couldnt even become Inst before but since he flown with deggers to SAA he become CP and instant INST, CT litle Italian with gel in hair what a joke , roster Mhd is joke above all he dont know how to roster him self should he first wash hands or first use toilet what was first in part A or he can aske his boss P.M who is incharge of pilots who jumpship due to bad rosters on A320.
777 CP and DCP one joke after other joke no copmment .
A340 Tech pilot from Siria taking minimum fuel till he crash ( if you dont fly you cant crash right ) so he is safe .
B.W and I.M they are here to take a lot of money and type rating and run away like all others did and it will cost airline a lot .
Any of managers in Q.A has uneversety degree ? upps dont think so !
A 330 we should say ok S.S.S ,H.A,M.H with roster R.P are doing good job but we have sham fleet A320 with a joke people CP he couldnt even become Inst before but since he flown with deggers to SAA he become CP and instant INST, CT litle Italian with gel in hair what a joke , roster Mhd is joke above all he dont know how to roster him self should he first wash hands or first use toilet what was first in part A or he can aske his boss P.M who is incharge of pilots who jumpship due to bad rosters on A320.
777 CP and DCP one joke after other joke no copmment .
A340 Tech pilot from Siria taking minimum fuel till he crash ( if you dont fly you cant crash right ) so he is safe .
B.W and I.M they are here to take a lot of money and type rating and run away like all others did and it will cost airline a lot .
Any of managers in Q.A has uneversety degree ? upps dont think so !
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Degree?
While it is important that the Managers are educated, I think it is more important that they have interpersonal skills, and a REAL desire to help improve the T&Cs for the troops. This desire will directly affect the Company in a positive way, encouraging the right people to stay and the right people to join.
Why do we have to have a third rate Airline because of shoddy Management? I agree with the Dream liner man, we do have some good managers. Give decent incentives and perhaps we can attract Managers of the right caliber, not ex-RAF officers that don't have a clue!
We also need continuity, not the biennial changes that come with the existing system.
Why do we have to have a third rate Airline because of shoddy Management? I agree with the Dream liner man, we do have some good managers. Give decent incentives and perhaps we can attract Managers of the right caliber, not ex-RAF officers that don't have a clue!
We also need continuity, not the biennial changes that come with the existing system.