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The contracts here mean absolutely nothing. They can be changed to just about anything management desires. It is truly amazing how phucked up this place has become in the last few months.
Fred (gay), the recruiter, is probably the most useless person I have ever met. Well, maybe Kostov (DFO) is just as bad. But anyways don't trust a word he says and certainly don't pay your own money to attend an interview.
We have FO's here (Saudi of course) who have needed 25+ sim sessions to barely scrape by and pass their checkrides. They will not fire them, so you can expect to fly with many of these highly skilled aviators if you come here.
Recommendation: Look elsewhere for employment and if this is all you end up with, then maybe come here for a little while and collect a few pay checks. But this is by no means a long term job.
Good luck to all those seeking a job here, you've all been warned.....MEOW
Fred (gay), the recruiter, is probably the most useless person I have ever met. Well, maybe Kostov (DFO) is just as bad. But anyways don't trust a word he says and certainly don't pay your own money to attend an interview.
We have FO's here (Saudi of course) who have needed 25+ sim sessions to barely scrape by and pass their checkrides. They will not fire them, so you can expect to fly with many of these highly skilled aviators if you come here.
Recommendation: Look elsewhere for employment and if this is all you end up with, then maybe come here for a little while and collect a few pay checks. But this is by no means a long term job.
Good luck to all those seeking a job here, you've all been warned.....MEOW
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How about the fact that the latest batch of Saudi FO's all ex RSAF all, bar one, failed the AIRBUS conversion course.
The guy who passed has flown 45 hours line training and still they have a safety pilot on jump seat.!!!
But he is Saudi, and they are the best pilots in the world!! It says so in the Arab News
The guy who passed has flown 45 hours line training and still they have a safety pilot on jump seat.!!!
But he is Saudi, and they are the best pilots in the world!! It says so in the Arab News
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So whats happening with all the new intakes ? I hear lots of new hires are awaiting visas, so cant be that bad if so many are joining. So whos who in NAS Air thats causing the problems ?
When are they going to recruit FO's ?
Uni
When are they going to recruit FO's ?
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Awaiting visas means the haven't arrived in country yet. So they have no idea what NAS is really like just yet.
Lot's of people with important sounding titles drinking coffee, smoking cigarettes, and writing memos such as copier machine training schedules.
Let me give you an example of a typical office visit for an expat pilot:
Situation: You need a leave request document (CTA).
First go visit Crew Scheduling (wait for door to open and sneak in). After receiving a list of your OFF days, you leave and head to Flight Ops to visit Arshad or the other kid with braces. These are the only 2 people in the building who do any actual work by the way. One of them will fill out your leave request form on the computer which can take upwards of 20 minutes. He will then leave the room to get your request form from the printer, which by the way is in another part of the building even though there are fifteen other printers in the room.
Next, you are off to your Fleet Manager if you can find him, and if not come back another day. If you are so lucky to locate your Fleet Manager, he will then inform you that something needs to be accomplished before he will sign (Medical renewal, GACA license renewal, visa renewal, etc..). This could potentially mean missing days from your OFF rotation, and you are SOL.
If you make it past this phase, you must go visit the training department. No problem you say, this will only take a second. Well it might if only you could find the Manager of Training or you are not even sure IF there is a Manager of Training any longer. The have fired so many in the past year. If you are incredibly lucky (might also want to get some lotto tickets), you get the required signature.
Well this takes us to 3 out of the 5 required signatures needed. We're on the home stretch now! Next up, head to GR (government relations) where you will stand at a big counter and wait for the wonderful folks to help you. Better bring a book to read. Hey is that Fred Al- Scuzzy that just walked by? Why is his desk in GR? Anyways, you finally get the signature and off you go to the last signature on the list, Director of Operations.
As you walk into the DFO's office you notice he's not around. Where is the DFO you ask anyone that might be around. He's in a meeting they reply. No problem, just wait for the meeting to end and go back. You go back a little while later and and he's still not there. You ask the same person who told you he's in a meeting earlier and with a completely straight face they tell you "He's been in Jeddah for the past few days." Arrrgghhhhhh!!!!!
Lot's of people with important sounding titles drinking coffee, smoking cigarettes, and writing memos such as copier machine training schedules.
Let me give you an example of a typical office visit for an expat pilot:
Situation: You need a leave request document (CTA).
First go visit Crew Scheduling (wait for door to open and sneak in). After receiving a list of your OFF days, you leave and head to Flight Ops to visit Arshad or the other kid with braces. These are the only 2 people in the building who do any actual work by the way. One of them will fill out your leave request form on the computer which can take upwards of 20 minutes. He will then leave the room to get your request form from the printer, which by the way is in another part of the building even though there are fifteen other printers in the room.
Next, you are off to your Fleet Manager if you can find him, and if not come back another day. If you are so lucky to locate your Fleet Manager, he will then inform you that something needs to be accomplished before he will sign (Medical renewal, GACA license renewal, visa renewal, etc..). This could potentially mean missing days from your OFF rotation, and you are SOL.
If you make it past this phase, you must go visit the training department. No problem you say, this will only take a second. Well it might if only you could find the Manager of Training or you are not even sure IF there is a Manager of Training any longer. The have fired so many in the past year. If you are incredibly lucky (might also want to get some lotto tickets), you get the required signature.
Well this takes us to 3 out of the 5 required signatures needed. We're on the home stretch now! Next up, head to GR (government relations) where you will stand at a big counter and wait for the wonderful folks to help you. Better bring a book to read. Hey is that Fred Al- Scuzzy that just walked by? Why is his desk in GR? Anyways, you finally get the signature and off you go to the last signature on the list, Director of Operations.
As you walk into the DFO's office you notice he's not around. Where is the DFO you ask anyone that might be around. He's in a meeting they reply. No problem, just wait for the meeting to end and go back. You go back a little while later and and he's still not there. You ask the same person who told you he's in a meeting earlier and with a completely straight face they tell you "He's been in Jeddah for the past few days." Arrrgghhhhhh!!!!!
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Hi, still on here??
Hi , My name is Brett Krueger. . I saw your post, I think from a couple years ago?
Are you still there? Or where? I am brand new to this site, also. So, Not totally sure what I am doing. Will this show up in the public fourm Or just to you?
Do you know of anyone hiring??
Would love to hear from you...
Thanks!!
Brett
Are you still there? Or where? I am brand new to this site, also. So, Not totally sure what I am doing. Will this show up in the public fourm Or just to you?
Do you know of anyone hiring??
Would love to hear from you...
Thanks!!
Brett
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Bukkake,
You missed the intials from, idiot training planner before, training manager signs.
Also the fact that you can't plan your leave as he can't plan more than 4 weeks in advance, sometimes you find out your traing dates, in your time, only 2 weeks ahead!!
Or like some, he signs forms then rosters you and when on your off time you get an email from him telling you that you need to return early for training.
You missed the intials from, idiot training planner before, training manager signs.
Also the fact that you can't plan your leave as he can't plan more than 4 weeks in advance, sometimes you find out your traing dates, in your time, only 2 weeks ahead!!
Or like some, he signs forms then rosters you and when on your off time you get an email from him telling you that you need to return early for training.
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It's wonderful to see that this rubbish is still going..................the thread i mean, not the company
I however now have seen the light, and now i am truly a company man. No more complaing, bitching or dread in the pit of my stomache when i look on my roster and find that i am flying with al somebody. You know, it's funny how i now look on the company in a new light - especially when i just recently found out from my esteemed colleague in the safety department that the man from the KGB reads pprune...............Marvelous
Now then Mr K, about the command upgrade course.....................
Please remember to Fly Ginger.
I however now have seen the light, and now i am truly a company man. No more complaing, bitching or dread in the pit of my stomache when i look on my roster and find that i am flying with al somebody. You know, it's funny how i now look on the company in a new light - especially when i just recently found out from my esteemed colleague in the safety department that the man from the KGB reads pprune...............Marvelous
Now then Mr K, about the command upgrade course.....................
Please remember to Fly Ginger.
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By the sounds of it I dont think NAS Air will ever change, so I guess all you guys can do is just wait until another job comes along. Or, just vote with your feet and leave on mass, but the chances of that happening I guess are Zero.
So how many crews are they short off ?
Uni
So how many crews are they short off ?
Uni
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Hello Everyone,
Greetings from a long time reader, first time poster...
First off, I am and have been employed by my Global carrier for last 18 years and have no plans for leaving....so, NO sour grapes here...just the facts and intelligence report..!!
I couldn't help but to pass along some info and chine in the subject of NAS since I just heard about them from a middle astern friend who came a cross of this sorry of an excuse for an airline and the SCUM BAGS who run the outfit.
First, NAS needs and relies heavily on the subsidized jet fuel that has been available to SAA and was extended to NAS through connections.
If and when this courtesy taken away due to whatever reason, NAS will not be able to continue as planned.
Insiders and Those who are familiar with the daily operations convey a chaotic picture of operations, totally mismanaged by a hodge podge of management who have no business of running a candy shop let alone an Airline with tons of employees and extended dependent families...
This can not continue as is and don't plan on it to do so unless there is a drastic change to the composition of the management from top to down, which as you guessed, is not on plans...(End of Part I)
Greetings from a long time reader, first time poster...
First off, I am and have been employed by my Global carrier for last 18 years and have no plans for leaving....so, NO sour grapes here...just the facts and intelligence report..!!
I couldn't help but to pass along some info and chine in the subject of NAS since I just heard about them from a middle astern friend who came a cross of this sorry of an excuse for an airline and the SCUM BAGS who run the outfit.
First, NAS needs and relies heavily on the subsidized jet fuel that has been available to SAA and was extended to NAS through connections.
If and when this courtesy taken away due to whatever reason, NAS will not be able to continue as planned.
Insiders and Those who are familiar with the daily operations convey a chaotic picture of operations, totally mismanaged by a hodge podge of management who have no business of running a candy shop let alone an Airline with tons of employees and extended dependent families...
This can not continue as is and don't plan on it to do so unless there is a drastic change to the composition of the management from top to down, which as you guessed, is not on plans...(End of Part I)
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This is very true. There are a massive problem managing this company. in short words i can describe this company are in short of proffissional and experince managers. all the managment are lacking of basic managment expereince and are holding in there positions and afraid to be cicked out and struggle to find another job.
look back in the hestory of this company all the good people left and the bad are still there enjoying the status quo.
look back in the hestory of this company all the good people left and the bad are still there enjoying the status quo.
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Avland,
The cheap fuel is only on Domestic routes, as our previous CEO said he could fill every aircraft on a Domestic flight and still not make money due to the fact that the Saudi Gov't cap the internal fares.
Hence we only really make money in International flights where no fare is capped.
As for the management, SPOT ON.
A banker and HR man who know nothing about airlines and a management team that do nothing except take the salary and rearrange the offices.
Company would be even worse except for Direc Safety who holds it togther, I take my hat off to him.
The cheap fuel is only on Domestic routes, as our previous CEO said he could fill every aircraft on a Domestic flight and still not make money due to the fact that the Saudi Gov't cap the internal fares.
Hence we only really make money in International flights where no fare is capped.
As for the management, SPOT ON.
A banker and HR man who know nothing about airlines and a management team that do nothing except take the salary and rearrange the offices.
Company would be even worse except for Direc Safety who holds it togther, I take my hat off to him.
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(Part II)
Clowns who run the show in NAS as of now were recently seen in AMM discussing company and operational matters (Within earshot of my friend, a Jordanian, who was to his shock, unknowingly was sitting next to them in the bar lounge)...even arguing each other aloud in public bar which at one point lead to one leaving the others in disgust and one more later leaving the others in the bar ...among the company matters discussed and heard by others in the bar were, how disappointed there were in their recent trip to MAD where they were supposed to meet around 50 qualified "BUS DRIVERS" but less than 10 just showed up and hopefully there were going to have a better turn out the next morning....
One dude was assuring the others of a great attendance expected according to the number of emails he had received from poor SOBs who were willing to pay for their own airfare, hotel accommodations, meals, Cab ride, etc...etc... just to get a shot at employment with this crappy outfit...
Well, the turn out was not anywhere close to what they were expecting...a tribute to their scuzzy reputation of NAS, Dim future, and famous crappy treatment of pilots..... only desperadoes have stamina enough to bear the stench...!!!!..
According to my source, Many pilots who had been invited by emails, to AMM by Fahad and his side kick, were rejected due to lack required experience and not meeting the requiremnet....leaving them empty handed and out of hundreds of euro they spent to get there.!!!!!
Conclusion, .....By all means, Stay away from this piece of crap, my friends....If you can!!!
If not, I understand the harsh realities of the world we live in and need for pay cheque, wish you best of luck and a thick skin....sounds like you will need it..!!!..
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Clowns who run the show in NAS as of now were recently seen in AMM discussing company and operational matters (Within earshot of my friend, a Jordanian, who was to his shock, unknowingly was sitting next to them in the bar lounge)...even arguing each other aloud in public bar which at one point lead to one leaving the others in disgust and one more later leaving the others in the bar ...among the company matters discussed and heard by others in the bar were, how disappointed there were in their recent trip to MAD where they were supposed to meet around 50 qualified "BUS DRIVERS" but less than 10 just showed up and hopefully there were going to have a better turn out the next morning....
One dude was assuring the others of a great attendance expected according to the number of emails he had received from poor SOBs who were willing to pay for their own airfare, hotel accommodations, meals, Cab ride, etc...etc... just to get a shot at employment with this crappy outfit...
Well, the turn out was not anywhere close to what they were expecting...a tribute to their scuzzy reputation of NAS, Dim future, and famous crappy treatment of pilots..... only desperadoes have stamina enough to bear the stench...!!!!..
According to my source, Many pilots who had been invited by emails, to AMM by Fahad and his side kick, were rejected due to lack required experience and not meeting the requiremnet....leaving them empty handed and out of hundreds of euro they spent to get there.!!!!!
Conclusion, .....By all means, Stay away from this piece of crap, my friends....If you can!!!
If not, I understand the harsh realities of the world we live in and need for pay cheque, wish you best of luck and a thick skin....sounds like you will need it..!!!..
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Not wanting to upset anyone, but, is it pilots staying away because of the reputation of NAS Air or more like that the requirements are too high ?
Perhaps NAS is NOT looking at the cross section of skills or experience and hours. Therefore, they will never get anyone employed, unless the they lower the requirements.
Ive heard this story 12 months ago, but NAS like many other companies seem to be hell bent on hours hours hours.
Who is it thats setting the bench mark ? And how many co pilots do they have ? if they have experienced co pilots why not upgrade then take on board lower hour crews?
Whos to blame ?
Uni
Perhaps NAS is NOT looking at the cross section of skills or experience and hours. Therefore, they will never get anyone employed, unless the they lower the requirements.
Ive heard this story 12 months ago, but NAS like many other companies seem to be hell bent on hours hours hours.
Who is it thats setting the bench mark ? And how many co pilots do they have ? if they have experienced co pilots why not upgrade then take on board lower hour crews?
Whos to blame ?
Uni
