NinER fIveR

I couldn't give you a definitive answer on that one buddy. 6 months seems to be on the high side, but that's just a "feeling". If I were in your position, I would wait until I was in the region of 2 months away from my target and then apply. Once you apply online and get through screening, you could always give yourself an extra few weeks by choosing a delayed assessment date. Whatever you do, don't go to the assessment if you don't feel ready for it because they can tell when you are not, and they will only give you a second chance after 6 months.

NGFellow

I stand by my earlier recommendation about not entering qualifications on your application you don't currently possess. Whether it meets the true definition of fraud or not is subject to interpretation. It's one thing to have the hours on a CV with a statement that you expect to have the hours by XXX. However, when you put it on an online application and state that you certify these hours to be true, it may cause problems as the apps are dated and if someone chooses to cross check, the truth will be very evident. Now, how they deal with it is up to the company if it is an issue. If you are fudging stuff now, what else will you fudge in the future?

In the end, it's up to the individual. Some airlines will actually clearly state that you may apply when you are within certain hours of their required minimums. Others will instruct you otherwise.

On a similar note concerning fraud, a few B737NG F/O's from a Brand X fudged their time to indicate the were Capts on the NG. During their sim evaluation it became evident that they could barely find stuff and fly from the left seat with a command presence. Now that's clear intent to commit fraud.

Piloto2011

Thank you guys. Your replies are much appreciated.

skysod

The derisory pay increase is an indication of how FD feels about their pilots.........don't think it will do much to encourage any new recruits!!

lol777

Has anybody got any info on the south african assessment. When FD are coming and so on. I know of a lot of guys and girls that applied and we all got the same email and now its quite.

what-to-do

Skysod,

At least we get to complete the FZ HR survey in May...... Impeccable timing .

Iver

Just curious. Do you ever see EK pilots leaving for FD? Sounds like EK is having a melt down and would not surprise me if some departed the company but wanted to stay in the area...

what-to-do

To my knowledge, no emirates pilot has been stupid enough to exchange one set of clowns for another more incompetent bunch of clowns in 6 years.

Emirates is indeed in a meltdown, but they still have a better package than FZ. Profit share, better end of service benefit, staff travel & a provident fund..... just a few perks off the top of my head that we don't have or don't have to the same level.

An Emirates FO has a better basic salary than a captain at FZ. For a direct comparison, an FO at Emirates has a basic of around 27,000 AED. In contrast, an FO at FZ has a basic of 19,000 AED. End of service benefit for an FO at FZ after 10 years is 80,000 AED less. Factor into that the provident fund aspect at Emirates and this figure would be much more.

Staff travel for Emirates pilots blows FZ staff travel out of the water. FZ pilots can use Emirates staff travel, but an Emirates cleaner will have greater priority and you'll have to wait until just before boarding to see if you're lucky enough to get a seat....... very stressful, especially with children and going on vacation.

Trust me, compared to FZ, Emirates is a well oiled machine. FZ is years behind Emirates in many ways. FZ management have insisted on re-inventing the wheel and as such, things here at FZ are extremely frustrating.

In my honest opinion, a meltdown might not be too far off on the other side of the airport too. Pilot retention at FZ is appalling. The fact that so many European carriers have gone under, FZ has been underpinned by a steady influx of mainly non-rated guys and girls. This source of pilots has now dried up and FZ is finding pilot recruitment difficult...... especially for those of a decent calibre.

Would you leave Emirates for FZ...... I wouldn't.

too_much

I think you will find that I terms of bottom line a Flydubai FO will take home around 42,000 per month

Emirates FO around 39,000

It's just the way the different benefits are split up.

On the whole I can't see why anyone from Emirates would not want to move across....

If you enjoy watching paint dry and have lots of fun apps on your iPad EK may well be the job for you.

Flydubai on the B738 with more than 1 sector to fly would be much more interesting in my view...

what-to-do

Too Much,

An Emirates FO has accommodation thrown in (unless he/she opts out), and with flight pay takes home a little over 30,000 AED. As I mentioned previously, their basic is much higher than an FZ FO.

An FO at FZ would take home 42,000 AED after 85 hours. Not everyone achieves 85 hours in a month. Subtract from that the housing allowance and the two salaries are comparable.

However, as i understand it, Emirates pilots don't pay cooling fees or DEWA, which can actually be quite high, especially in the summer. In addition, they do not have to deal with unscrupulous landlords, ever.

Whether you want to fly a 737 on multiple sectors or a 777/ A380 on a long single sector is for the individual to decide.

Unfortunately, the proof is in the pudding. As I am aware, not one Emirates pilot has made the walk from the other side of the the airport. I'm happy to be corrected on this but the facts appear to speak for themselves. In contrast, a number of FZ pilots have crossed over to Emirates.......

Saltaire

I think you've had TOO MUCH to drink. You're numbers are off and the reality of what WHAT TO DO has to say is true. There has been no EK pilots moving over to FD, but several in the other direction ( many more applied ) I'm sure most at FD enjoy their job very much but as i'm enjoying a lager in Munich after one sector, would you not say that is also INTERESTING

skysod

And don't forget the profit share......or rather lack of it in FD and no pay rise worth mentioning!!

BritishGuy

Not to take a stab at anyone here, but the sums mentioned above seem very, very short sighted.

Do the sums on the End of Service Benefit after 10 years at FZ vs 10 years at EK and it separates the men from the boys. Without getting into the fact that the Provident Fund that EK get will probably out perform their EOSB. True to say that FZ does NOT even compare.

Someone also rightfully mentioned the bonus that EK folk get on a fairly regular basis. Beats the 'Bone-Us' we get over at FZ.

pole shift

Was listening today to EK pilots talking to ATC and you could 'see' their smile on their faces. But for us FZ pilots disappointment was all around. Where is the appreciation, the recognition and the respect from a company that we give them 101%? It really makes you feel
The only positive note: everyone feels the frustration, not only the guys flying deep nights with 8 days off per month
Maybe we become a team again...

skysod

Will be interesting to see just how many will be willing to work on their day off or "go that extra mile" after the next sandstorm!!

ABBOT

I think quite a few people are going the extra mile or so. In fact many extra miles, some as far as seven thousand or so.

ABBOT

I think quite a few people are going the extra mile or so. In fact many extra miles, some as far as seven thousand or so.

Vortex Thing

It's not often I agree with skysod but I think he has hit the nail on the head.

It would almost have been better to give us no pay rise than 10AED per hr.

In essence the princely sum of just under 1000AED per month increase for the hard work put into keeping the firm ticking over for the last year.

It is almost worth staying just to see if it is a loyalty test? The thinking must be. Perhaps if we give them a derisory increase they will think we are omnipotent and yield to our leadership prowess. Then once we have broken them all we can allow them to rise phoenix like from the ashes with a bonus inversely proportional to the chief pilots ability to answer a question openly and truthfully at the monthly lunch.

Or perhaps we just don't matter as much as we would likely think we do? Sadly the latter appears to be the real case here!

henriksch

Thanks for your replies. I am going as DEC, starting on june 14th.

Know the city and area quite well, but the company not so much, and learning alot from reading here.

Looks like I will need to become a roster bidding god

what-to-do

Becoming a "Roster God" won't help you my friend. You'll join at the very bottom of the seniority and will struggle to get much of what you ask for, if at all anything.

The fact is, we're short of captains and even long time servants here at FZ are struggling to get a decent or stable roster.

Say goodbye to the sun and hello to the moon