Flight deck positions at FlyDubai Master Thread - Merged
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Why would an airline consider you if you can't even be ar5ed to turn up at the interview under you own steam?
This isn't popping into the local hamburger joint to apply for a job. This is an airline looking for EXPATRIATES because they do not have a local population of professional pilots to meet their needs. They should FULLY cover those costs as part of doing business.
Then again, by the tone of your post, I'm afraid they are scraping the bottom of the PROFESSIONAL pilot's barrel for stock. As long as there are shady flying schools who will do anything for a buck, there will always be enough licensed individuals more than willing to race to the bottom.
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(apart from Kylie Minogues @rse)
But I'm not sure about your "supply and demand" theory. When I applied to green brush-wing airlines, they had a stack of resumes and even though I was in a group of 30 guys or so, I only saw a handful of them later. We all had loads of experience and I had some friends with even more hours than me who didn't even get a bite. Yet I came off the interview making money (I didn't spend all the allowance they paid me while in Hongkers for the 4 days).
So I don't think it is a supply issue. Major airlines will never have a shortage of applicants. That is what regional airlines are for. But the minimums have changed and gone considerably south, and I think that is why they can get away with some of the stunts they are pulling now. Some new guy with a few hundred hours is much more likely to sacrifice if he can get his foot in the door. The airlines know this, and they are very much aware that "you get what you pay for".
I just wish someone would be held accountable when everybody starts asking "how could they do that?" after someone augers one in good. Then all these HR people scurry off to the rocks they crawled out from and look for others to take the blame. Funny how their HR skills don't seem to work to isolate the problem then.
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At least this time , don't blame the company but the first officer who was smart and selfish enough to take the upgrade and then resign...
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Dubaigong,
"At least this time, don't blame the company but the first officer who was smart and selfish enough to take the upgrade and then resign..."
Maybe its one getting a little back from being bonded in the first place as a type rated joiner. Disrespect and bullying of employees will result in similar actions.
Treating employees with respect for the professional jobs they undertake will result in loyalty and respect and bonds would not have to exist!!!
Unfortunately that is the minority of workplaces these days, so expect more of the same.
"At least this time, don't blame the company but the first officer who was smart and selfish enough to take the upgrade and then resign..."
Maybe its one getting a little back from being bonded in the first place as a type rated joiner. Disrespect and bullying of employees will result in similar actions.
Treating employees with respect for the professional jobs they undertake will result in loyalty and respect and bonds would not have to exist!!!
Unfortunately that is the minority of workplaces these days, so expect more of the same.
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Zman,
There used to be a lot of info in a different thread (interview, jobs&sponsorship)
Unfortunately most of that is gone..
Would be nice if a few people would post their recent experience in detail.
There used to be a lot of info in a different thread (interview, jobs&sponsorship)
Unfortunately most of that is gone..
Would be nice if a few people would post their recent experience in detail.
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Tothepoint,
I respect your view BUT I don't agree with you.
I don't understand why being bonded when joining ( which , by the way was well known to everybody before signing the contract ) can be seen as a good reason to accept as a fair behaviour the resignation of a first officer 2 months after being upgraded to the left seat ?
On top of that , even the company does not respect you as you think you should be , does it mean that you have to act the same way ?
I am maybe old fashioned but that's not the way I have being raised and educated.
If you want to be treated as professional you should act as a professional...
I respect your view BUT I don't agree with you.
I don't understand why being bonded when joining ( which , by the way was well known to everybody before signing the contract ) can be seen as a good reason to accept as a fair behaviour the resignation of a first officer 2 months after being upgraded to the left seat ?
On top of that , even the company does not respect you as you think you should be , does it mean that you have to act the same way ?
I am maybe old fashioned but that's not the way I have being raised and educated.
If you want to be treated as professional you should act as a professional...
dugong,
It's simple business. If you have a problem keeping qualified staff, offer incentives for them to stay.
Training an employee to do a job required for your business is not doing them a favour, it is what you need to do to stay in business. That employee does not then owe you anything.
Do you think the managers making these decisions are bonded into their jobs, or get paid sufficiently to not want to leave?
It's simple business. If you have a problem keeping qualified staff, offer incentives for them to stay.
Training an employee to do a job required for your business is not doing them a favour, it is what you need to do to stay in business. That employee does not then owe you anything.
Do you think the managers making these decisions are bonded into their jobs, or get paid sufficiently to not want to leave?
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gong,
I don't disagree with your principals and ethics. just calling it as it is.
A place that is finding it hard to recruit crew will continue to do so unless the small items, such as pay, bonding and other such things mentioned are fixed to entice professionals to join.
Without a representative body to deal with these issues, such actions taken (being unprofessional), cast light on certain areas.
The reaction to further bond (if that is true) an upgrade candidate as a result of the resignation gives you an insight, react now think later method, which is detrimental to the encouragement of good crew applying for an upgrade.
Its a 2 way street.
I don't disagree with your principals and ethics. just calling it as it is.
A place that is finding it hard to recruit crew will continue to do so unless the small items, such as pay, bonding and other such things mentioned are fixed to entice professionals to join.
Without a representative body to deal with these issues, such actions taken (being unprofessional), cast light on certain areas.
The reaction to further bond (if that is true) an upgrade candidate as a result of the resignation gives you an insight, react now think later method, which is detrimental to the encouragement of good crew applying for an upgrade.
Its a 2 way street.
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Forget about commuting for the time being , it is not a commuting contract that you have on offer here.
For the time being you can expect between 1 and 3 ( if you are very lucky ) days off in a row maximum.
Then if you manage to swap some of your flights with days off from fellow pilots , then you will be able to increase this number and try to get home for a few days...
For the time being you can expect between 1 and 3 ( if you are very lucky ) days off in a row maximum.
Then if you manage to swap some of your flights with days off from fellow pilots , then you will be able to increase this number and try to get home for a few days...
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John Dooley is the F@cker i ran away from and joined FZ for .. and now it seems like he is following me here.. i guess i've just started to regret leaving RYR in the first place.. i have not seen any of the things ive been promised by this company.. i thought the HR dept in RYR was bad , boy was i in for a treat.. guys if you have the hours then join EK... at the time i didnt so now im stuck here and bonded for 3years.....
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@ Spanishfly69
Well, yes, my bad for not looking at every single airport they fly into. I just assumed that hardly anyone flies there and made an a%% out of u and me. tsk tsk tsk.
I was not bad-mouthing the establishment, I was just stating a fact, and I will say it again... let it be known that Afghanistan can be very dangerous and also you will not be covered under the current life insurance policy when you fly there.
Regards,
Miss A.
I was not bad-mouthing the establishment, I was just stating a fact, and I will say it again... let it be known that Afghanistan can be very dangerous and also you will not be covered under the current life insurance policy when you fly there.
Regards,
Miss A.
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John Dooley isn't the new chief pilot,, he is not a pilot full stop, he is taking up a role in the management part of FZ. i really think this airline is going to be the new RYR of the middle east. btw the guy you are thinking of is Gerry Conway ! and yes he is also coming .