Flight deck positions at FlyDubai Master Thread - Merged
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Thanks for your info thats really helpful. Flatcap thats interesting what you said regarding Kabul etc...I thought as much. I dont mind dropping into these places as long as I know what I'm getting into before hand. After all its still a war zone. Thanks for the thread are have a look.
Thanks for your info thats really helpful. Flatcap thats interesting what you said regarding Kabul etc...I thought as much. I dont mind dropping into these places as long as I know what I'm getting into before hand. After all its still a war zone. Thanks for the thread are have a look.
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'4. Maybe if you don't mind being home for a max of 2 days at a time, and you live in southern EU,you might get a lucky break and have a 4 or 5 day block but don't count on it. Flydubai is based in DXB it's pilots are DXB domiciled they generally expect you to be here unless your are on leave, expect no favours from crewing.'
I have a lot of friends in Fly Dubai and they are more than happy with rostering. They use AIMS and give away flights all the time, thus creating blocks of days OFF like 7, 8 or even 9 days OFF at a time. They go home all the time and almost never use their leave. I am certain about this because I talk to them every day! I don't know how this ties with what I read above!!
I have a lot of friends in Fly Dubai and they are more than happy with rostering. They use AIMS and give away flights all the time, thus creating blocks of days OFF like 7, 8 or even 9 days OFF at a time. They go home all the time and almost never use their leave. I am certain about this because I talk to them every day! I don't know how this ties with what I read above!!
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Hey fellow drivers,
Firstly I would like to thank everyone here already employed taking the time giving us real intel as usually once people get hired they forget all about forums.
Secondly i would like to know how is the atmosphere like in the cockpit? captains attitudes? autocratic? mister i know everything? or i know better than Boeing follow my SOP??
Cheers guys, talk to you soon.
Firstly I would like to thank everyone here already employed taking the time giving us real intel as usually once people get hired they forget all about forums.
Secondly i would like to know how is the atmosphere like in the cockpit? captains attitudes? autocratic? mister i know everything? or i know better than Boeing follow my SOP??
Cheers guys, talk to you soon.
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LNAV VNAV, please don't generalize. You must be on CRACK to make such statements. 7-9 days off on the trot to go home and never use their leave? I don't know of ONE that manages this type of rostering.
Troll?? Maybe?? Has to be.
Troll?? Maybe?? Has to be.
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Are you expecting me to give you their names???
They are Fly Dubai captains and First Officers. They live in Dubai and work for Fly Dubai. They all joined within the last year. Three captains and five first officers to be precise. I speak regularly with all of them and they all say that it is easy to give flights to other pilots using AIMS SWAP (or something?) and take their days OFF. So, if they have, say, two days OFF, then three flights and then three days OFF, they give away the three flights and end up with eight days OFF in a row.
I don't understand where you see a generalization and I don't like the crack comment.
They are Fly Dubai captains and First Officers. They live in Dubai and work for Fly Dubai. They all joined within the last year. Three captains and five first officers to be precise. I speak regularly with all of them and they all say that it is easy to give flights to other pilots using AIMS SWAP (or something?) and take their days OFF. So, if they have, say, two days OFF, then three flights and then three days OFF, they give away the three flights and end up with eight days OFF in a row.
I don't understand where you see a generalization and I don't like the crack comment.
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I can assure everybody on here that 5+ (heck, 3+) days off at FD is NOT the norm. Unless you're using bits of your annual leave to bump up your days off I find it hard to believe. Yes, it is possible to swap your stuff with other people - true, but when most people have schedules that are so restrictive, it's really hard to change too much as everyone else is in the same position. But try using AIMS to do any type of swap/drop is an absolute nightmare. The parameters are just so restrictive that it doesn't just allow you to drop your trips and gain so many days off on the row.
I hope your buddies at FD aren't counting their Available days and Standby days as days off.
I guess I won't justify it too much - one post on here saying FD rosters are great doesn't change what most people on here are saying.
I hope your buddies at FD aren't counting their Available days and Standby days as days off.
I guess I won't justify it too much - one post on here saying FD rosters are great doesn't change what most people on here are saying.
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Not saying clearing a block of days isn't impossible, just improbable and the higher up the seniority the better chance you stand of managing if. However as a new entry FO with sen. no. 350 you certainly couldn't attempt to build a commuting lifestyle out of it for instance. I managed to hook a 2 blocks of days off once, took me week and a fair bit of arm twisting to do it.
As for AIMS, its a bit of a curates egg, good in parts and some are more skilled in its manipulation that others. However, swapping duties that span 2 days is tricky, and a large % of FD duties go over night, swapping the Northern duties tricky because you can only swap with LVO qualified guys, and there a only about 3 of those (minor exaggeration for poetic effect but you get the idea).
If your mates are doing it regularly L-V my respects to them, for they are better men than I am Gunga Din.
That said, for me at least the most recent rosters have shown a marked improvement and I have been getting 3 and occasionally 4 days off in a row. But don't tell anyone or they will all want it.
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As for AIMS, its a bit of a curates egg, good in parts and some are more skilled in its manipulation that others. However, swapping duties that span 2 days is tricky, and a large % of FD duties go over night, swapping the Northern duties tricky because you can only swap with LVO qualified guys, and there a only about 3 of those (minor exaggeration for poetic effect but you get the idea).
If your mates are doing it regularly L-V my respects to them, for they are better men than I am Gunga Din.
That said, for me at least the most recent rosters have shown a marked improvement and I have been getting 3 and occasionally 4 days off in a row. But don't tell anyone or they will all want it.
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I would say recently (since Jan 2012) rosters have gotten a little better, but some people make out that the rosters are the best on earth. They're better than what they were before, so making an improvement isn't so hard. Sort of like being an E grade student and making an improvement to a D/C grade. So of course we're a little happier, but by no means are they 'great' - well, I'll speak for mine anyway. They're alright - but by no means great.
To a certain extent I guess it's all depended on who you've worked for in the past. If you've worked for a 2 bit airline then you'd think this place is heaven. But then again, if you're used to working for a civil airline (again, hard to come by) then this place is pants.
Wrapping things up, rosters have improved a bit - that's for sure, but more improvement is possible and an effort should be made to make sure rosters, conditions etc are continually improving.
For example, topping up insurance and coverage out of your own pocket. Errr..... no thanks. It's sort of embarrassing to know that your company values you so much that in the event of an accident, your passengers are insured for more than the crew is. Shameful I think.
To a certain extent I guess it's all depended on who you've worked for in the past. If you've worked for a 2 bit airline then you'd think this place is heaven. But then again, if you're used to working for a civil airline (again, hard to come by) then this place is pants.
Wrapping things up, rosters have improved a bit - that's for sure, but more improvement is possible and an effort should be made to make sure rosters, conditions etc are continually improving.
For example, topping up insurance and coverage out of your own pocket. Errr..... no thanks. It's sort of embarrassing to know that your company values you so much that in the event of an accident, your passengers are insured for more than the crew is. Shameful I think.
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Insurance surprise
Bit of a surprise in February, got local life insurance bill in. Last year it was AED 4200, this year AED 9140. Jumped up and down a bit and asked why, I'm not ski-ing any faster, diving any deeper or climbing any higher? Answer, er no, it's not that we just checked the destinations that you go to with Flydubai, budget that one in chaos.
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Car Bomb Attack on Camp Bastion (Flydubai destination)
Hi folks,
Don't want to stir things up, but, anyone even thinking of coming here to 'Flydangerous' should see that one of the wonderful destinations on offer (amongst Kabul and Kandahar) is the delightful Camp Bastion.
Is it really wise to be operating a civilian un-armed airliner to a War Zone?
Link here to full story.
BREAKING NEWS: Vehicle exploded on Camp Bastion runway at same time as U.S. Defence Secretary arrived | Mail Online
I have a trip coming in the not too distant future and I am not happy about going and nor are my wife and family.
Remember that if you are killed on duty here with the present sh1 life insurance policy (which is less than a passenger gets) then the family will barely get enough money to bury you and the flight home, what then for them?
However, the company, will kindly let you PAY FOR YOUR OWN 'upgraded' life insurance policy. This is not only insulting, but, absolutely disgusting considering the places these people will have you fly to.
This really is the barrel. Do not come here unless absolutely desperate to work or have no sense of danger.
Seriously, I used to read this stuff when I was in my home country and took it with a pinch of salt. But no, it is VERY REAL guys!
Sure some people say they are happy here and have no problems (so they say) and I am pleased for them, however personal risk of life is too precious when one has a family to feed and look after.
Just read this;
Car bomb attack on Camp Bastion runway just as U.S. Defence Secretary arrived for 'surprise visit'
Vehicle drove onto runway and burst into flames
Explosion happened as Leon Panetta's plane was landing
Afghan man employed at the base was driving the vehicle
Poses huge questions over security at Afghan base
Comes days after rogue U.S. soldier massacred 16 Afghans
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 15:43 GMT, 14 March 2012 | UPDATED: 19:02 GMT, 14 March 2012
U.S. Defence Secretary Leon Panetta was the apparent target of a suicide bomber at Britain's main base in Afghanistan today.
A vehicle drove onto the runway at Camp Bastion and exploded into flames at the same time as Mr Panetta's plane was landing in what looks to have been a suicide attack.
It comes just days after a rogue U.S. soldier massacred 16 civilians on a rampage - and weeks after American troops were caught burning Korans.
And it has posed massive questions over security at the base.
Read more: BREAKING NEWS: Vehicle exploded on Camp Bastion runway at same time as U.S. Defence Secretary arrived | Mail Online
Think twice before applying, that's all I'm saying.
Safe sky's
Regards
UD89
Don't want to stir things up, but, anyone even thinking of coming here to 'Flydangerous' should see that one of the wonderful destinations on offer (amongst Kabul and Kandahar) is the delightful Camp Bastion.
Is it really wise to be operating a civilian un-armed airliner to a War Zone?
Link here to full story.
BREAKING NEWS: Vehicle exploded on Camp Bastion runway at same time as U.S. Defence Secretary arrived | Mail Online
I have a trip coming in the not too distant future and I am not happy about going and nor are my wife and family.
Remember that if you are killed on duty here with the present sh1 life insurance policy (which is less than a passenger gets) then the family will barely get enough money to bury you and the flight home, what then for them?
However, the company, will kindly let you PAY FOR YOUR OWN 'upgraded' life insurance policy. This is not only insulting, but, absolutely disgusting considering the places these people will have you fly to.
This really is the barrel. Do not come here unless absolutely desperate to work or have no sense of danger.
Seriously, I used to read this stuff when I was in my home country and took it with a pinch of salt. But no, it is VERY REAL guys!
Sure some people say they are happy here and have no problems (so they say) and I am pleased for them, however personal risk of life is too precious when one has a family to feed and look after.
Just read this;
Car bomb attack on Camp Bastion runway just as U.S. Defence Secretary arrived for 'surprise visit'
Vehicle drove onto runway and burst into flames
Explosion happened as Leon Panetta's plane was landing
Afghan man employed at the base was driving the vehicle
Poses huge questions over security at Afghan base
Comes days after rogue U.S. soldier massacred 16 Afghans
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 15:43 GMT, 14 March 2012 | UPDATED: 19:02 GMT, 14 March 2012
U.S. Defence Secretary Leon Panetta was the apparent target of a suicide bomber at Britain's main base in Afghanistan today.
A vehicle drove onto the runway at Camp Bastion and exploded into flames at the same time as Mr Panetta's plane was landing in what looks to have been a suicide attack.
It comes just days after a rogue U.S. soldier massacred 16 civilians on a rampage - and weeks after American troops were caught burning Korans.
And it has posed massive questions over security at the base.
Read more: BREAKING NEWS: Vehicle exploded on Camp Bastion runway at same time as U.S. Defence Secretary arrived | Mail Online
Think twice before applying, that's all I'm saying.
Safe sky's
Regards
UD89
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The Solution, maybe?
When flying to some of our more uncouth destinations we should purchase ourselves a discounted return ticket to afford ourselves similar protection as our passengers!
This would go a little way to alleviate the stresses of worries such as Kabul, Kandahar and Baghdad. Where one may be subject to shooting, bombing or the chance of being abducted by an insurgent or imposter. Or, Chittagong or Dhaka were a dose of Dengue fever may ensue. Not to mention the untold pleasures of the new proposed destinations.
I admit that it may be a little bit of an odd solution, but in the situation in which flydubai's employees find themselves 'odd' may be the new 'normal'.
I do foresee a small issue with the companies insurers, as the crew will obviously need to change appearance and take their assigned seats in the cabin in the event of any downroute issue, in addition, a passenger discrepancy on departure would need to be accepted.
I will suggest this to my insurers in the hope of a discount to my new premium.
This would go a little way to alleviate the stresses of worries such as Kabul, Kandahar and Baghdad. Where one may be subject to shooting, bombing or the chance of being abducted by an insurgent or imposter. Or, Chittagong or Dhaka were a dose of Dengue fever may ensue. Not to mention the untold pleasures of the new proposed destinations.
I admit that it may be a little bit of an odd solution, but in the situation in which flydubai's employees find themselves 'odd' may be the new 'normal'.
I do foresee a small issue with the companies insurers, as the crew will obviously need to change appearance and take their assigned seats in the cabin in the event of any downroute issue, in addition, a passenger discrepancy on departure would need to be accepted.
I will suggest this to my insurers in the hope of a discount to my new premium.
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Not sure exactly how this would help, as the biggest issue would be an airplane going tech. If it didn't, we can fly it back as planned. 
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Return on investment.
Pax insurance pays better that proposed company insurance on return of mortal remains, corpses that is. Just maximising on investment.
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Sources
IATA general conditions of carriage, article 16.4, on the death of a passenger the sum of $75,000 shall be paid. However, death is only the beginning as they say. Quote from Julian Bray, editor of the Lloyds list 'the average payment to the relatives of a person killed in an aircraft incident is $140,000.
The sum of theses two figures is considerably more than the payment made to a staff member who dies in the course of their duties based on a multiple of annual basic salary. This is especially important with low cost operations, as the basic salaries are often very low.
Another factor to consider, the crew may be determined to be jointly and severally liable for the loss, for many, once dead this is not much of a factor. However, the estate of the deceased could come under threat.
The sum of theses two figures is considerably more than the payment made to a staff member who dies in the course of their duties based on a multiple of annual basic salary. This is especially important with low cost operations, as the basic salaries are often very low.
Another factor to consider, the crew may be determined to be jointly and severally liable for the loss, for many, once dead this is not much of a factor. However, the estate of the deceased could come under threat.