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dubaigong,
possibly you have been flying with f/o's needing to fly those hours to make up the income they thought they were going to receive. Possibly not making as much as they thought and bitten off more than they can chew. (Dubai isn't cheap).
or
picking up extra work to gain hours for the command requirements.
I would assume that the f/o's doing 80+ hours per months on a roster issued by crewing would be very rare.
possibly you have been flying with f/o's needing to fly those hours to make up the income they thought they were going to receive. Possibly not making as much as they thought and bitten off more than they can chew. (Dubai isn't cheap).
or
picking up extra work to gain hours for the command requirements.
I would assume that the f/o's doing 80+ hours per months on a roster issued by crewing would be very rare.
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I am a turboprob FO and I have applied to join flydubai.
Could someone tell me if it is possible to do a flydubai 'Assessment Preparation Course' for with CTC, so that actual assessment day is easier to pass?
Can somebody post details of this 'Assessment Preparation Course' or can PM details of same to me please?
Could someone tell me if it is possible to do a flydubai 'Assessment Preparation Course' for with CTC, so that actual assessment day is easier to pass?
Can somebody post details of this 'Assessment Preparation Course' or can PM details of same to me please?
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Something is amazing....
Are we talking about the same company ?
Some posters say that in Flydubai pilots are leaving and the company is struggling to find pilots to man their aircraft...
And others say that copilots are not flying more than 50 to 60 hours per months...
Right , somebody must be wrong because it is not possible to have at the same time the majority of the pilots not flying more than 50 , 60 hours and not having enough pilots to man the fleet !!!!
Are we talking about the same company ?
Some posters say that in Flydubai pilots are leaving and the company is struggling to find pilots to man their aircraft...
And others say that copilots are not flying more than 50 to 60 hours per months...
Right , somebody must be wrong because it is not possible to have at the same time the majority of the pilots not flying more than 50 , 60 hours and not having enough pilots to man the fleet !!!!
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dubaigong,
its not amazing at all...
some people pick up extra work and fly the hours, other give away work and fly less hours so its varies alot as everyone has different motives.
as for not enough pilots - well that is dependent on the routes that FZ gain access to. I would say they are struggling to find routes for the impending a/c arriving rather than struggling to find pilots.
but then again in 6 months time the ball could be bouncing in a different court and FZ may have the routes not the pilots - enjoy the merri-go-round of balancing enough pilots with enough routes for the fleet.
its not amazing at all...
some people pick up extra work and fly the hours, other give away work and fly less hours so its varies alot as everyone has different motives.
as for not enough pilots - well that is dependent on the routes that FZ gain access to. I would say they are struggling to find routes for the impending a/c arriving rather than struggling to find pilots.
but then again in 6 months time the ball could be bouncing in a different court and FZ may have the routes not the pilots - enjoy the merri-go-round of balancing enough pilots with enough routes for the fleet.
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FO figures for me work out at approx. (these are my own personal numbers so there might be some variation, over the last 12 months)
60 hrs a month (which is just fine for me)
Take home each month is about 35-36000 Dh
3 bed villa 10400/month
phone/tv 400/mo
DEWA 800/mo (i have a irrigated garden).
I find it fairly comfortable to support a family of 3 and save some cash, and I'm still paying a UK mortgage too.
Hope it helps
F-C
60 hrs a month (which is just fine for me)
Take home each month is about 35-36000 Dh
3 bed villa 10400/month
phone/tv 400/mo
DEWA 800/mo (i have a irrigated garden).
I find it fairly comfortable to support a family of 3 and save some cash, and I'm still paying a UK mortgage too.
Hope it helps
F-C
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You are totally wrong , I am not taking criticism against the company personally and if you were reading all my posts you would see that I am very critical about the company when I feel it is necessary ( look at the Kandahar post ) and also when it comes to training , safety issues and rostering for example...
But it is true , I am not talking with ALL the pilots here but the group I know are flying more than the numbers you were giving so I just wanted to balance your numbers which even if they are correct are not reflecting the numbers for all the pilots as far as I can see.
We all know that the rostering is not the best and that's perhaps where the difference comes from BUT for sure it is not correct to say that all F/Os are flying 60 hours per month even if it is your situation , that's all I am saying , nothing more.
And there there is even a post from Flat Cap who seems to be happy with his situation even if he is also flying around 60 hours a month.
But it is true , I am not talking with ALL the pilots here but the group I know are flying more than the numbers you were giving so I just wanted to balance your numbers which even if they are correct are not reflecting the numbers for all the pilots as far as I can see.
We all know that the rostering is not the best and that's perhaps where the difference comes from BUT for sure it is not correct to say that all F/Os are flying 60 hours per month even if it is your situation , that's all I am saying , nothing more.
And there there is even a post from Flat Cap who seems to be happy with his situation even if he is also flying around 60 hours a month.
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Hours
The reason that many pilots are doing 60-70 hours per month is that FDB operates to the GCAA FTL scheme, which is in effect copied from the UK FTL scheme.
This only allows 3 night flights in a row. As FDB have flights right through the night, you can expect to do a few days starting at one time have 1 or 2 days off & then be reporting at a completely different time.
The general comments in the FTL about circadian rhythms are ignored - expect to hear "well, it's legal"!!!!
This only allows 3 night flights in a row. As FDB have flights right through the night, you can expect to do a few days starting at one time have 1 or 2 days off & then be reporting at a completely different time.
The general comments in the FTL about circadian rhythms are ignored - expect to hear "well, it's legal"!!!!
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Please forgive if my English is not so good.
I turboprob FO and I apply to join flydubai.
Someone tells me CTC do 'Pre-assessment Preparation Course' to make flydubai assessment easier to pass?
Anybody here have any details of this 'Pre-assessment' course? How long does course last and what is it cost?
I turboprob FO and I apply to join flydubai.
Someone tells me CTC do 'Pre-assessment Preparation Course' to make flydubai assessment easier to pass?
Anybody here have any details of this 'Pre-assessment' course? How long does course last and what is it cost?
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Jet transition course
Son of the soil.....yes they do a jet transition course but sadly it is very expensive. You will get the training from FD anyway. I suggest you simply study for the typical questions....rvsm, non-rvsm, RNP, holding speeds, approach requirements, alternates, O2 requirements, mora, moca, approach ban. Study the systems of your current aircraft, know your current memory items especially windshear escape.
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Exodus!
A well-connected source, inside Etihad, informs me that 47 pilots from flydubai (which presently represents 20% of flydubai's total number of pilots) have applied to join Etihad... and that Etihad are interviewing them just as fast as they can!
As Emirates Airlines and flydubai have implemented a 'no poaching' agreement, the alternative local airline-of-choice has to be Etihad, given that there is no such 'no-poaching' agreement in place with them, and nor is there ever likely to be!
If flydubai is such a fabulous place to work, you might ask yourself why such a significant number of its pilots are actively looking to leave, even if that means paying-off their outstanding 'bond' to do so, and where lies the blame for this impending 'exodus' ?!
As Emirates Airlines and flydubai have implemented a 'no poaching' agreement, the alternative local airline-of-choice has to be Etihad, given that there is no such 'no-poaching' agreement in place with them, and nor is there ever likely to be!
If flydubai is such a fabulous place to work, you might ask yourself why such a significant number of its pilots are actively looking to leave, even if that means paying-off their outstanding 'bond' to do so, and where lies the blame for this impending 'exodus' ?!
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I have been at FZ for almost 2 years and have seen many changes. Many for the better, but some definately for the worse.
For me many of the usual gripes (see above) apply. Yes, the rostering has improved, but it fails miserably to account for sleep patterens and inefficient. The medical cover has improved in some areas, but in most it fails to deliver what most westerners would regard as decent normal cover. I could go on.
This latest move is unacceptable. I joined a low cost airline, and did not expect to be flying charters to war torn country that hits the headlines every few days.
From the employees perspective it has been badly mismanaged and poorly handled. We now have guys discovering that their life and mortgage insurance is invalidated whilst flying in Afghanistan. The company insurance is 3 times basic salary. Should the worse happen It would barley cover repatriation costs, let alone anything else.
The company believes that Afghanistan is not war zone and poses little more risk than a scheduled flight to Bahrain. How can this be in light of a security brief that contains information on how to deal with rocket attacks, and foreign commonwealth office advice that Kandahar is very dangerous and travel is not advised.
Morale has taken a hit since this announcement many will eventually vote with their feet.
Dubaigong, close the door on the way out as you'll be the only guy left...
and by the way the number of applicants to Etihad has just risen to 48 !
For me many of the usual gripes (see above) apply. Yes, the rostering has improved, but it fails miserably to account for sleep patterens and inefficient. The medical cover has improved in some areas, but in most it fails to deliver what most westerners would regard as decent normal cover. I could go on.
This latest move is unacceptable. I joined a low cost airline, and did not expect to be flying charters to war torn country that hits the headlines every few days.
From the employees perspective it has been badly mismanaged and poorly handled. We now have guys discovering that their life and mortgage insurance is invalidated whilst flying in Afghanistan. The company insurance is 3 times basic salary. Should the worse happen It would barley cover repatriation costs, let alone anything else.
The company believes that Afghanistan is not war zone and poses little more risk than a scheduled flight to Bahrain. How can this be in light of a security brief that contains information on how to deal with rocket attacks, and foreign commonwealth office advice that Kandahar is very dangerous and travel is not advised.
Morale has taken a hit since this announcement many will eventually vote with their feet.
Dubaigong, close the door on the way out as you'll be the only guy left...
and by the way the number of applicants to Etihad has just risen to 48 !
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Severely tempted to make it 49!
Guided accordingly (great handle btw! )
Albeit a small and / or arbitrary point, though for the purposes of being factually correct (and assuming your Contract of Employment is basically the same as mine?), I'm not sure that what you've said is correct, i.e. that 'The company insurance is 3 times basic salary'... as my contract states that it's less than that, i.e. being just 2 years (24 months) worth of basic salary:
I must say that the rumoured / suggested number of applications to Etihad (as reported by ex-XL) makes for very interesting reading, if only because if what he / she says is true, then (based upon empirical rates of successful applicants vs failures), to replace 48 pilots, flydubai / CTC would have to assess more than 4 or 5 or 6 times that many (depending upon how close to the bottom of the barrel they're now scraping for crews?!)... to say nothing of the ongoing recruitment required just to keep up with filling the front seats of an ever expanding fleet!
And / or putting it another way; If flydubai struggles to replace the suggested 'exodus' (i.e. of those who might be take-on by Etihad), those departees (to Etihad alone) might be translated into 4 flydubai aircraft being grounded due to a lack of FlightCrew!
To use a Biblical metaphore (as it somehow seems so apt; 'Exodus' indeed! ) is it veritably a case that "As ye sow, so shall ye reap"?!
Being 'Low Cost' is not meant to be translated into an excuse to treat your crews & staff like **** (be it "Legal" or otherwise), and in fact it should be just the opposite ! (just look at 'Southwest's organisational culture' to see the point and / or read 'Nuts!' to really 'get it' ! )
Albeit a small and / or arbitrary point, though for the purposes of being factually correct (and assuming your Contract of Employment is basically the same as mine?), I'm not sure that what you've said is correct, i.e. that 'The company insurance is 3 times basic salary'... as my contract states that it's less than that, i.e. being just 2 years (24 months) worth of basic salary:
PERSONAL ACCIDENT & LIFE INSURANCE (Employee only)
The Company will insure you under the Personal Accident and Life Insurance Schemes and will pay the premium on your behalf. The sum insured is 24 months basic salary for Life Insurance and 24 months basic salary for Accident Insurance.
LOSS OF LICENCE INSURANCE
The company will provide you with a Loss of License Insurance for up to 24 months of basic salary until the age of 62 years, at which point this reduces to 12 months until the age of 63 at which point this ceases.
The Company will insure you under the Personal Accident and Life Insurance Schemes and will pay the premium on your behalf. The sum insured is 24 months basic salary for Life Insurance and 24 months basic salary for Accident Insurance.
LOSS OF LICENCE INSURANCE
The company will provide you with a Loss of License Insurance for up to 24 months of basic salary until the age of 62 years, at which point this reduces to 12 months until the age of 63 at which point this ceases.
And / or putting it another way; If flydubai struggles to replace the suggested 'exodus' (i.e. of those who might be take-on by Etihad), those departees (to Etihad alone) might be translated into 4 flydubai aircraft being grounded due to a lack of FlightCrew!
To use a Biblical metaphore (as it somehow seems so apt; 'Exodus' indeed! ) is it veritably a case that "As ye sow, so shall ye reap"?!
Being 'Low Cost' is not meant to be translated into an excuse to treat your crews & staff like **** (be it "Legal" or otherwise), and in fact it should be just the opposite ! (just look at 'Southwest's organisational culture' to see the point and / or read 'Nuts!' to really 'get it' ! )
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Lying sack of ****s.....
Enough is enough with the FZ management. They have gone from bad to completely ridiculous and plainly dangerous.
This is an exert from a Euronews article Kandahar ‘destabilised’ after Karzai brother’s murder | euronews, world news
Ahmad Wali Karzai was shot by a trusted member of his security detail at his home in Kandahar City earlier in the day.
His murder, which has been claimed by the Taliban, leaves the already volatile south without a leader; Ahmad Wali Karzai was considered a strong force for stability.
Two explosions were heard in the city soon after the funeral.
Analyst Haroon Mir said: “After Ahmad Wali Karzai we all know that no-one else will be able to fill the vacuum and chaos might return back in Kandahar (sic) and this is a tremendous achievement for the Taliban.”
The assassin Sardar Mohammad was immediately gunned down by other bodyguards. He had known Karzai for ten years.
THIS is an exert from the last email from our Chief Pilot that promised to retire a month ago, still here unfortunately......
"Airman" and "his lackey" reported the assassination of President Karzi’s half-brother but their sources were reporting no additional security concerns as a result. They were both satisfied with the security so far.
It is AMAZING how they manage to dig out anonymous "SOURCES" that say it is ALL OK!!!!! Like the claimed "PILOTS" that have been flying there and say it is ALL OK!!!!! Let those pilots keep flying there. I am NOT!!!!!
How can they DIG into this GOLDEN ORE of Charter without even offering their crew a part of the cake?!!! The joke of a pay-rise was more mocking than rewarding........ Etihad will not have recruitment trouble as long as FZ exist...... Just wondering how many of the latest FZ recruits will pass the screening down there though........ Talking to some of my colleagues tell me that they are not exactly the "cream of the aviation crop".........
This is an exert from a Euronews article Kandahar ‘destabilised’ after Karzai brother’s murder | euronews, world news
Ahmad Wali Karzai was shot by a trusted member of his security detail at his home in Kandahar City earlier in the day.
His murder, which has been claimed by the Taliban, leaves the already volatile south without a leader; Ahmad Wali Karzai was considered a strong force for stability.
Two explosions were heard in the city soon after the funeral.
Analyst Haroon Mir said: “After Ahmad Wali Karzai we all know that no-one else will be able to fill the vacuum and chaos might return back in Kandahar (sic) and this is a tremendous achievement for the Taliban.”
The assassin Sardar Mohammad was immediately gunned down by other bodyguards. He had known Karzai for ten years.
THIS is an exert from the last email from our Chief Pilot that promised to retire a month ago, still here unfortunately......
"Airman" and "his lackey" reported the assassination of President Karzi’s half-brother but their sources were reporting no additional security concerns as a result. They were both satisfied with the security so far.
It is AMAZING how they manage to dig out anonymous "SOURCES" that say it is ALL OK!!!!! Like the claimed "PILOTS" that have been flying there and say it is ALL OK!!!!! Let those pilots keep flying there. I am NOT!!!!!
How can they DIG into this GOLDEN ORE of Charter without even offering their crew a part of the cake?!!! The joke of a pay-rise was more mocking than rewarding........ Etihad will not have recruitment trouble as long as FZ exist...... Just wondering how many of the latest FZ recruits will pass the screening down there though........ Talking to some of my colleagues tell me that they are not exactly the "cream of the aviation crop".........
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The good old days.
In the good old days the pilots used to stick together. That is why pay was as a doctor, and respect was big. Now the industry is full of leeches sucking blood from their colleagues. Stepping over dead bodies to get command or other positions. Full of brown noses willing to do anything it takes to please because they think this is the way to make a career.
Just the thought of THREE pilots volunteer to write letters to management telling them how "GREAT" it was to fly to Kandahar in their old airline makes me sick to my stomach. Either this being "fake" letters made by JV and DR or genuine letters from "colleagues" makes equal reason for concern....... If their old jobs were so great, what the heck are they doing in FZ........
Many of us have children, wife and family members that constantly ask if this is safe. Putting them through this is not good, and God forbid some Taliban might have a good day at "work" and do us in...... They are left with 24 months of salary.... Barely enough to ship my furniture home........
Just the thought of THREE pilots volunteer to write letters to management telling them how "GREAT" it was to fly to Kandahar in their old airline makes me sick to my stomach. Either this being "fake" letters made by JV and DR or genuine letters from "colleagues" makes equal reason for concern....... If their old jobs were so great, what the heck are they doing in FZ........
Many of us have children, wife and family members that constantly ask if this is safe. Putting them through this is not good, and God forbid some Taliban might have a good day at "work" and do us in...... They are left with 24 months of salary.... Barely enough to ship my furniture home........
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what to do...
....a quick look at the websites of airlines in the region
flydubai > Erbil, Sulaimaniyah, Kandahar, Kabul
Etihad > Baghdad & Erbil
Air Arabia > Kabul, Najaf
Emirates > Basra, Baghdad, Sanaa, Peshawar
Gulf Air > Erbil, Baghdad, Basra, Najaf, Peshawar, Aden, Sanaa
Qatar Airways > Sanaa, Peshawar
Welcome to the Middle East Boys...
flydubai > Erbil, Sulaimaniyah, Kandahar, Kabul
Etihad > Baghdad & Erbil
Air Arabia > Kabul, Najaf
Emirates > Basra, Baghdad, Sanaa, Peshawar
Gulf Air > Erbil, Baghdad, Basra, Najaf, Peshawar, Aden, Sanaa
Qatar Airways > Sanaa, Peshawar
Welcome to the Middle East Boys...
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Wasn't it Groucho Marx who commented that "Military intelligence is contradiction in terms" ?!
Well, in spite of all their supposed 'intelligence', they certainly failed to spot or prevent the the Afghan President's brother having his brains blown out only two days ago, just as they also failed to spot or prevent the suicide attack this afternoon at his memorial service in a Kandahar mosque... which all goes to reinforce the our views on the 'intelligence' of 'black ops' !!
Btw, here's this afternoons METAR from Kandahar:
Well, in spite of all their supposed 'intelligence', they certainly failed to spot or prevent the the Afghan President's brother having his brains blown out only two days ago, just as they also failed to spot or prevent the suicide attack this afternoon at his memorial service in a Kandahar mosque... which all goes to reinforce the our views on the 'intelligence' of 'black ops' !!
Btw, here's this afternoons METAR from Kandahar:
270/15 9999 SCT MORTARS, TEMPO 1912 ILR
(new METAR code 'ILR' = 'Intermittent Light Rockets' )