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Flight deck positions at FlyDubai Master Thread - Merged

Old 20th Oct 2017, 15:26
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Wouldn't mind as much info about assessments etc myself.... (quoting gta flyer above^^)

Surely, if the CAE instructor has repeated allegations made....they will smell a rat?! It is a shame it isn't done in house....I havent dealt with CAE (only ever FSI), however, I have a VERY good friend there on a different aircraft/program and he is super efficient...and well connected (top notch ex Cathay sort).

FZ seem to be losing and recruiting a lot, with the new aircraft always arriving and on the verge of more routes and some kind of hook up with EK....beyond the shared ownership/loyalty program....and I they recently binned a number of assessment days in IST, as there simply weren't enough candidates!! Says to me that they need pilots, cant get enough and good guys being washed out by ***holes, is seriously detrimental to their larger plans!!
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 13:47
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Any chance to see a few roster samples?
Thanks!
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 17:25
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Originally Posted by Newcomer2 View Post
Guys don't sweat too much, they're so desperate they take anyone with a pulse these days

Bloody hell....I could be in with a shout....!!!!
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 20:19
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Time to command

Been reading this forum and have heard difffering views, my question is if someone were to join as an FO say in December, with the seniority as it stands, how long before before they could be considered for command ?
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 20:50
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Originally Posted by neofj View Post
Been reading this forum and have heard difffering views, my question is if someone were to join as an FO say in December, with the seniority as it stands, how long before before they could be considered for command ?
If you tick the right required boxes I'd say about 2 years. It can be around 18 months but currently the 'holding pool' for command is 4 months. It's down to you (50%) and 50% luck with who your examiners are. Upgrades are not based on seniority. Purely hours and simulator markers. Them markers are the ones unnessecarily stopping a lot of good guys.

The pool might get shorter once the new aircraft come in. Six more (all max 8) deliveries before years end, if these aircraft ever leave Amman that is. I think 10 or 12 aircraft coming next year with I'm guessing 3 or 4 retirements.
Current upgrade numbers are apparently enough to stop the Captains attrition rate, not the expansion. They aim to upgrade 6 FO's per month but realistically that number looks like 4 p/mnth that make it. And they still take DEC's.
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Old 28th Oct 2017, 17:06
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hi all,

i went all the way back to a year from now and couldn't find any info re: what to expect for assessment. any info very much appreciated.

anyone going for assessment in December ?

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Old 29th Oct 2017, 03:07
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Is the 1000 hour multi crew a hard limit for non type rated FO? Would I get a look in with 500hrs Saab FO (3500 hours total time, 3000 command, 500 hours multi turbine command)?
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 08:32
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Yes the 1000 is firm, you would have to do the second officer course, which would mean a 5 year bond non reducing, rather than the 3 year reducing bond
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 09:20
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Thanks mate.
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 15:36
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Originally Posted by 737seeker View Post
hi all,

i went all the way back to a year from now and couldn't find any info re: what to expect for assessment. any info very much appreciated.

anyone going for assessment in December ?
Hello 737 Seeker....

I'm due to go for assessment in December. I can't say I am looking forward to it really, as I am new to all this "Group Exercise" stuff....! Not sure if there is a technical assessment too? Any info appreciated peeps....

U and M
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Old 3rd Nov 2017, 15:11
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Hey,

I have rather a unique situation here, I am going for my assessment in Dubai later this month and have a question regarding the pre-employment medical with Flydubai.

I currently have a BMI of 34.3 which according to the flawed BMI method I am class 1 obese. I workout (carry muscle) and have a husky built so I have always been on the heavy side of the scale but very healthy (just did a full physical with blood work and all and my numbers were all at or near optimal according to my physician)... Has anyone had this type of experience with the pre-employment medical? what do they do? Cheers
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Old 6th Nov 2017, 11:31
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Hi everybody,

I have a little over 500hrs on the B737 and a total of a little over 700.
Due to some minor medical reasons I lost my medical, but I have current medical again since last month. My last flight was about 2 years ago.

Do you think I could still enter as Direct entry FO, or will you go to a second officer function?
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 07:07
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Any guys who are currently with flyDubai on this forum? If yes, does anybody know if it is possible to join Emirates if you are still in the bond with flyDubai?
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 07:39
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Originally Posted by PilotD12 View Post
Any guys who are currently with flyDubai on this forum? If yes, does anybody know if it is possible to join Emirates if you are still in the bond with flyDubai?
I believe the answer to that one is no. Gentlemans agreement.
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 08:16
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PilotD12,

If you follow a little bit what is going on here in the UAE , you should know that Emirates and Flydubai are working more and more together.
So I doubt that it will be allowed to move from one to another before the end of your bond and maybe even after...
This is a new situation for us.
Before it was possible to go from Flydubai to Emirates when your bond was expired but NOW who knows ?
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 08:30
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Thanks guys for quick reply, thats exactly what I understood of a friend who got the answer on his application for Emirates to apply again after his 3 years bond. While I was told by some of our FZ colleagues that they know people who are accepted by Emirates within their bond so it probably has changed from the moment we are working more together..

I am asking because I was interested to make the same movement since we have our age limit in FZ for the upgrade which makes me wait for another two years to apply..

See you guys around
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 10:31
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PilotD12,

It would have been the same in EK , they also have an age limit for the upgrade and if I remember properly it is higher than in FZ...
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 10:31
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Itís 3 years, Iíve known a few last year that applied before this period, ball started rolling and EK them realized they hadnít done 3 years so was told to give then a nudge again at that point.
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Old 10th Nov 2017, 08:22
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Cessna95

The group exercise is designed by HR people and is the same as all airlines.

They don't care how many bars of soap you think will be needed on the moon, or how many oxygen bottles to survive a ship wreck. What they care about is how you help the group come to that decision - do you shout over people? Do you say something? Do you say nothing?

And the bad news is that whatever people might like to think they are not so desperate that they will take anyone...
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 06:29
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Hi All, just a few words about the Group Exercises as this seems to be the most discussed subject when talking about the selection process.

This process is used in various employment processes around the world and by many airlines to assess how you interact in a group and therefore how you would probably interact as a crew member.
NB : If you do not talk and do not contribute, the assessors have nothing to mark you on and you will not get through the process successfully.

These are my thoughts from what I have experienced and in no way have any professional basis.

You will do 2 Group Exercises. It doesn't matter if the scenario is about a shipwreck/survival exercise or a discussion about an airline's expansion plans, the answer to the question posed or the presentation given at the end is not really that relevant. What is very relevant is the way it gets done and how each person in the group interacts and contributes.
The assessors want to see HOW you contribute and more importantly WHAT you contribute :
HOW - do you talk coherently, do you talk over other people and not allow others to speak. Do you support other ideas or do you run everyone else's comments down, do you you keep punting only the 1 point you want discussed. Do you try guide the conversation or do you dominate it. Do you try incorporate the quiet person in the corner who is trying to get a word in.
WHAT - Do you contribute value to the discussion, do you just say yes or just say no and contribute nothing else. Does what you are saying make sense and does it add value to someone else's point or is it a additional point that no one else has suggested. Do you provide some form of structure/guidance to the discussions if it seems to be going nowhere.

Think of being in the flight deck and having a discussion about an issue you experience during the flight. You need to listen to what is being said or open a discussion. Then either build on any suggestions (if it is a good proposal) or come up with a counter proposal if you feel the current proposal lacks substance or is flawed.
In the flight deck we do not run down other people's ideas, we critique them and either improve them where its needed (suggest fixes), or we come up with another proposal and "sell it" to the group. Its all about CRM - how you communicate.

When you open your mouth in the group discussions, it should be constructive even if you are disagreeing - "I like your suggestion but do you think that doing it this way ............ would have a better result?"

DO NOT :
- have your head down making notes and not listen to other contributions,
- keep interrupting everyone about the time running down, rather use that moment to contribute value to the discussion (if you are going to make any comments about the time - use the last minute to suggest summarising),
- keep interrupting just so your 1 point can be accepted,
- talk quietly or mumble. If you want to make a point talk clearly so the assessors can hear.
- if you are a fairly quiet person, DON'T volunteer to make notes of the discussion as this will distract you from contributing and you will end up going home early.

There is a lot of good info on group exercises online so do some research and most importantly - relax and contribute.

Many people say that this is a numbers game and that you can be awesome but they only want a certain number of people so once the quota is full, you go home. No, it doesn't work like that. FD need pilots, the right type of pilots. There are so many cultures in the cockpit at FD and if you are not going to fit in, the group exercises are the place to see this and the right time to make the cut.

Good luck
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