Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Middle East
Reload this Page >

Flight deck positions at FlyDubai Master Thread - Merged

Middle East Many expats still flying in Knoteetingham. Regional issues can be discussed here.

Flight deck positions at FlyDubai Master Thread - Merged

Old 17th Mar 2017, 19:17
  #3561 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Earth
Posts: 226
A friend just told me that FZ is dry leasing out a couple of aircrafts this summer. If true no wonder why they are offering unpaid leave. As the expansion stoped?
Luibar is offline  
Old 17th Mar 2017, 20:17
  #3562 (permalink)  

Supercharged PPRuNer
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Doon the watter, a million miles from the sandpit.
Posts: 1,166
F2L
You obviously have your heart set on joining Flydubai, which is fair enough. Several experienced FZ pilots have given you a very accurate picture of what life is like at Flydubai; you say you are looking for feedback, but then dismiss any negative feedback as 'opinion'.

How about some facts for you?

In a two year period at FZ which I am intimately familiar with:

- Two aircraft were hit by small arms fire. One during a turnaround in Djibouti (with the crew onboard) and one on approach to Baghdad.
- One aircraft was taxiing in at Kandahar while the airfield was under rocket attack.
- An aircraft landed at Sanaa, parked on stand and was promptly surrounded by armed Houthis rebels. And that after the captain had received specific assurances from FZ management that it was safe to fly there.
- At a job interview for Flydubai, candidates are asked: "Are you prepared to fly to war zones?"
- Almost exactly a year ago, a Flydubai flight crashed at Rostov, killing everyone onboard. To date the Russian investigators have found no pre-existing fault with the aircraft, and are focussing on human-factors issues, including the rest patterns of the accident crew.

The above are FACTS, not opinion.

I would suggest the facts speak for themselves.

(And for what it's worth, I am one of hundreds of ex-Flydubai pilots who have voted with their feet and moved onto better things).
G SXTY is offline  
Old 17th Mar 2017, 22:31
  #3563 (permalink)  
F2L
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: .
Posts: 36
Originally Posted by Newcomer2 View Post
You forgot the 2 missiles in Saudi Arabia

Incident: FlyDubai B738 at Abha on Feb 13th 2016, missiles in vicinity

But it seems that F2L is from Brazil, for them Dubai is like heaven
No I am not from Brazil, if I was from Brazil I'll never leave it, nice weather, girls girls...

all companies based on Middle East are flying into war zones!

Ok guys FZ is not the right place, you convinced me !

Any news about new training courses? LOL

Last edited by F2L; 17th Mar 2017 at 22:46.
F2L is offline  
Old 17th Mar 2017, 22:44
  #3564 (permalink)  

Supercharged PPRuNer
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Doon the watter, a million miles from the sandpit.
Posts: 1,166
You forgot the 2 missiles in Saudi Arabia
Happily I'd already escaped by then.
G SXTY is offline  
Old 18th Mar 2017, 08:54
  #3565 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: UK and Dubai
Posts: 154
F2L

We as line pilots at FZ do not get given any information from the company that is reliable on most subjects.

We are definitely not told about recruitment or training schedules, so no point asking about it.

The only hint we get about an increase in training is more faces we don't recognize during the day.

After your training you will be constantly swapping from day to night and night to day shifts, with a lot of 18-30 hours rest periods. If you are the seasoned pilot you say, then you will appreciate this is the most tiresome situation to be in.

As we fly with close to minimum days off you will always be short of sleep as you get no time to recover.
Crashlanding is offline  
Old 18th Mar 2017, 12:26
  #3566 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Emirates Living - The Meadows
Age: 76
Posts: 405
Ok we give up, walk towards the light my friend, come to the light....

Does this scenario seem familiar to you.

One of your mates meets a boy/girl who is clearly a psycho, bunny boiler from hell, narcissistic, gold digging repropbate. Lets call them X. However individual X is a biological specimen that makes Charlize Thieron or Chris Hemsworth look in the mirror and feel ugly.

It was from this scenario that age old adage of "cannot see the woods for all the trees!" came from.

You know the conversations that follow.
Week 1: "OMG X is so fit and soooo nice" but mate they killed your dog, cleaned out your bank account, slagged your mates and family off, slept with your best mate and publicly humilate you daily"..... " I know but X has such a redunctious bootilicious body and is sooo funny and is generous of heart if not in wallet and has lovely eyes!!"

Week 25: " Guys why did you let me date X what a terrible life experience, they wrote my car off, my parents and siblings won't speak to me anymore, sold my stuff and spent the money on escorts and blow, put naked photos of me on the internet and actually boiled my bunny!"

Guys you ask for a real life ,"I told you so!" moment in the making. You want to be entertained, you want Hollywood style 'ah ha' moments. Then I give you F2L.

Never before in the field of human advice giving, has so much been ignored by so few, from so many!

To be fair to you I, and numerous others (see the use of the Oxford comma there) have only tried so hard to help with advice YOU openly solicited because you have a family who will be affected by this as well.

Sometimes, just sometimes in life the indefatigable logic meets the irresistible desire and that desire how ever rose tinted wins out. Please do us one favour and bookmark this page and the last few and read every 6 months when you are in Dubai.

VT drops mic.....
Vortex Thing is offline  
Old 5th Apr 2017, 16:03
  #3567 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: CYYC
Posts: 22
FlyDubai

Would anyone like to share the conditions at FZ? I'm not seeing too much regarding conditions etc (as compared to EK) curious about housing, transportation ( do you drive yourself to work) etc. I'd take any intel I can get.
Thanks in advance.
KTM300XC-W is offline  
Old 5th Apr 2017, 17:51
  #3568 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Worldwide
Posts: 334
You drive yourself to work. No pick up/drop off.

Captain:
25225 basic
15000 housing
2600 transportation
187 AED per flight hour

Someone else may need to chime in on FO package.

Basically put, it's not gone up with inflation in the past 7 years. It's not enough. You'll be worked to death. Don't let the figures fool you.

Oh yes, I had to add.....before you ask, yes, I am looking for an exit.

Last edited by BritishGuy; 5th Apr 2017 at 17:52. Reason: Had to add the last paragraph......
BritishGuy is offline  
Old 8th Apr 2017, 09:48
  #3569 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: UAE
Posts: 8
FO:
17000 basic
12600 housing
2000 transport
134 per flight hour
PilotD12 is offline  
Old 8th Apr 2017, 10:19
  #3570 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: 41S174E
Age: 53
Posts: 2,767
Am I right in assuming that is 25225 USD per month basic for Captains?
framer is offline  
Old 8th Apr 2017, 11:58
  #3571 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: on earth
Posts: 302
Framer,

25225 USD per month !!! What are you smoking ? I want the same....
dubaigong is offline  
Old 8th Apr 2017, 12:06
  #3572 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: uk
Posts: 569
Vortex thing. a very well written and accurate post;it will of course be ignored but you are absolutely spot on.
olster is offline  
Old 8th Apr 2017, 18:06
  #3573 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: usa
Posts: 1,006
Originally Posted by Vortex Thing View Post
Does this scenario seem familiar to you.

One of your mates meets a boy/girl who is clearly a psycho, bunny boiler from hell, narcissistic, gold digging repropbate. Lets call them X. However individual X is a biological specimen that makes Charlize Thieron or Chris Hemsworth look in the mirror and feel ugly.

It was from this scenario that age old adage of "cannot see the woods for all the trees!" came from.

You know the conversations that follow.
Week 1: "OMG X is so fit and soooo nice" but mate they killed your dog, cleaned out your bank account, slagged your mates and family off, slept with your best mate and publicly humilate you daily"..... " I know but X has such a redunctious bootilicious body and is sooo funny and is generous of heart if not in wallet and has lovely eyes!!"

Week 25: " Guys why did you let me date X what a terrible life experience, they wrote my car off, my parents and siblings won't speak to me anymore, sold my stuff and spent the money on escorts and blow, put naked photos of me on the internet and actually boiled my bunny!"

Guys you ask for a real life ,"I told you so!" moment in the making. You want to be entertained, you want Hollywood style 'ah ha' moments. Then I give you F2L.

Never before in the field of human advice giving, has so much been ignored by so few, from so many!

To be fair to you I, and numerous others (see the use of the Oxford comma there) have only tried so hard to help with advice YOU openly solicited because you have a family who will be affected by this as well.

Sometimes, just sometimes in life the indefatigable logic meets the irresistible desire and that desire how ever rose tinted wins out. Please do us one favour and bookmark this page and the last few and read every 6 months when you are in Dubai.

VT drops mic.....
Lol - oh the irony

Last edited by fliion; 8th Apr 2017 at 18:21.
fliion is offline  
Old 8th Apr 2017, 21:11
  #3574 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Monrovia / Liberia
Age: 59
Posts: 748
For what it's worth, when I joined FZ (in March 2009... as what latterly came to be known as an 'A Scale' Captain) the Captain's monthly remunerative package back then was as follows:
  • Basic Salary: 25,480 Dhs
  • Housing Allowance: 16,000 Dhs
  • Transport Allowance: 4,000 Dhs
  • Hourly (block hour) Flight Pay was paid on top of these.
The only movement in any of these was in 2011 when my Basic Salary was raised to 26,705 Dhs (albeit with the allowances for Accommodation & Transport staying the exact same) and there they all stayed, even until I left FZ in May 2016..... and, aside from Flight Pay, things don't seemed to have improved much even since then (and / or since 2009) !
Old King Coal is offline  
Old 9th Apr 2017, 09:35
  #3575 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: ThefacePalm
Posts: 41
I don't know why I'm even bothering to post as all you guys will take this job because it's the only job you can get, but here we go.....

I left for other reasons than salary staying stagnant as OKC mentioned. Yes, the A scale was better (and still is lol!) than what new joiners have been offered since Aug 2009. What really pushed me out was the non-monetary benefits that HR seems not to care about, i.e. Travel, health insurance, staff parking, crew food, scheduling patterns, PBS lies, office staff support, etc...

Travel, it has got better within the last several months, but the time it took to get the improvement was inexcusable.
Health insurance, gets worse every year. Deductible goes up, coverage goes down. Single and in your 20s? Who cares right?
Staff Parkng, the airline ordered 50 jets and no parking for flight staff. Office staff are constantly given priority for parking and crew are basically told to suck it and self pay RTA meters.
Crew food. Well if you are from mm and pop turboprop xyz airline, the food is excellent compared to what you had before. Never mind it's the cheapest economy meals the company can get from EK catering. But oh wait, you can have the leftover scraps from Business class that's been sitting in the cart for 8 hours slowly warming to a bacteria pleasing temperature.
PBS and scheduling, just read what everyone said. Can't imagine anything has improved with the same bribe takers running the system.
For me the big kick in the nuts was the attitude of our multicultural office staff. After the March 2016 crash, it just seemed like no one cared in the office that seven crew + passengers died in an horrific way. No changes at all, just a big declaration from chief pilots office that there was no connection between the crash and fatigue.

I'm much happier for leaving, hope friends that are still there can find an exit when the time is right.
LostinT2DXB is offline  
Old 9th Apr 2017, 12:36
  #3576 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: 41S174E
Age: 53
Posts: 2,767
No changes at all, just a big declaration from chief pilots office that there was no connection between the crash and fatigue.
How on earth did he determine that? He must be amazing if he can figure that out. Nice of him to tell you once he knew for sure.
framer is offline  
Old 9th Apr 2017, 13:10
  #3577 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Dubai
Posts: 130
There isn't a single person or department within Flydubai who can diagnose or confirm if a person is or has suffered from fatigue. This is the job of an AME.

Shortly after the crash, a number of ASRs were released to RT. A large proportion of those ASRs were related to fatigue in one way or another. If the chief pilot or his office , were remotely concerned with fatigue in FZ, he (they) would have been compelled to investigate. Furthermore, if the GCAA was doing its job, it too, would have felt compelled to investigate.

I also know of pilots who have been signed off sick by an AME with fatigue. Had an AME not done so, FZ would have simply recorded the issue as sick and deducted the days from the pilots sick leave entitlement and left it at that.

They are not interested and never have been, and the fact that the 'chief pilots office' has said that fatigue played no part in the incident, demonstrates the utter contempt they have for safety.

My suggestion is to wait for the investigation to be concluded and see what comes out then. To do otherwise is pointless.
what-to-do is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2017, 08:50
  #3578 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: dubai
Posts: 3
Did anyone get a response from Flydubai for further assessment after their Video interview? It has been about a month since I did my video interview and so far nothing.
BrownCondor is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2017, 20:58
  #3579 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: up in the air
Posts: 31
... and it's been days since i completed the online assessment but no invitation for video interview yet. how long do they normally take to give feedback ?

applied for type rated FO position
737seeker is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2017, 22:23
  #3580 (permalink)  
F2L
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: .
Posts: 36
They aren't hiring...
F2L is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.