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Old 12th Nov 2016, 11:42
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Join Date: Jul 2016
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Command upgrade

Is command upgrade based on seniority?
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Old 12th Nov 2016, 15:23
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Originally Posted by Trimmaster View Post
Is command upgrade based on seniority?
No. If you meet the conditions and have the required sim markers you can apply.
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Old 13th Nov 2016, 09:01
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Please, what are the minimum requirements to apply for command upgrade after joining as FO?
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Old 13th Nov 2016, 10:46
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Originally Posted by High Energy View Post
No. If you meet the conditions and have the required sim markers you can apply.
Thanks @High Energy
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Old 13th Nov 2016, 19:14
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Originally Posted by airnavigator2001 View Post
I got first email from FZ that I have 5 days to do online assessment. Could anybody give any advice what it is and how to be successful?
Thank you in advance.
Hey airnavigator , can you share please any information about the online assessment ?? I got the same email telling me to conduct the assessment online within 5 days ,
Thanks for any feedback guys
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Old 14th Nov 2016, 06:26
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School allowance and Health insurance

Hi there!

Does school allowance and health insurance at FZ valid OVERSEAS or just inside UAE????

I got diferent answers, so wanna know whats the current situation

Regards
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Old 15th Nov 2016, 08:05
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FZ Video Interview and next?

Hi there,

Anyone welling to share some infos on the recruitment process please, I did the video interview 5 days ago, I applied thru Sigma Aviation, how long do they take to give you a feedback and what will be next?
Is it only the sim or we will have the group exercise, maths, 50 atpl questions...


Thanks a lot and great week ahead.
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Old 24th Nov 2016, 18:03
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Confused

Hey FZ pilots,
Reading the info on this thread has left me slightly confused about the salary. Many comments have shown a dismal salary for FOs with a family.
I submitted my application and if successful would join as an FO with my family. I worked the maths and thought the salary was rather good. I could be wrong with the cost of rent though so maybe you could put me on the right tracks. Here's my calculation:
End of month pay: 10,000
Rent for 2 bedroom apartment: 2,500
Car loan payback: 1,000
Fuel: 500
Living (food, restaurants): 2,000
Remain: 4,000

Where's my mistake? Many comments state people barely surviving on a 10,000 monthly salary.

Cheers!
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Old 24th Nov 2016, 18:28
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School fees. Utilities. Take a look to see if you can even get your kids in the school of your choice. Check out the school fees. Utilities are a killer. And have gone up. Don't forget all the hidden taxes. Registering your tenancy agreement. The price of fresh fruit is eye-watering. Do your homework and the best of luck to you.
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Old 24th Nov 2016, 22:37
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School fees, transportation, extra classes and activities. 2nd car for the missus....... DXB isn't cheap.
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Old 25th Nov 2016, 00:43
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And VAT is coming which will not help
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Old 25th Nov 2016, 06:04
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And don't forget the 'co-pay' on the medical care. You better hope your wife, kids, and yourself don't ever need medical care in the UAE.
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Old 25th Nov 2016, 08:43
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Thanks for the replies. I do understand why you so often mention that certain items are paid "from your own pocket" but apart from the school expenses exceeding the amounts that FZ reimburses, isn't everything actually paid from your own pockets?
Here in Europe I get a salary at the end of each month deposited to my bank account. I then choose how much I spend and how little I can afford to save. With FZ (correct me if I'm wrong) you get a lump sum deposited on your bank account excluding education allowances. Maybe this lump sum is categorised as Base salary, Housing allowance, Transportaion allowance, Flight allowance but you get 1 lump sum of money to spend/save as you please?

I try to compare my current situation to a speculated one should I join FZ. Here if I'm lucky I save 700 per month. I spend my salary on my house loan, utilities, mobile phones, internet, insurances, child care, food, entertainment, missus care... At the end of the month I hope to have saved something. If not, then I'll have to dig in my savings account (my pocket) to make up for the unexpected expenses eg tax returns, holiday vacations, small gadgets for myself to fool around with, a nice present for the missus...

That's why I'm asking for an idea of how much things cost in DXB. Just to see if I can save more money there while having a different experience in an actual city.
I'm not looking to live the life of a celebrity. A simple 2-3 bedroom apartment close to the airport should suffice. 1 car is enough (i would plan to use Uber to get to work leaving the car for the missus). My child is 1yr and a bit so i dont qualify for child allowance yet so either my wife babysits or occasionally we need a babysitter. A bit of restaurant nights out, a bit of shopping and some movie nights are what i expect to have too. And a vacation or 2 per year.

Am i that far off by hoping to save 4000/month?

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Old 25th Nov 2016, 10:53
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Agent: Have a look at dubizzle regarding the accomodation. That should give you an good overview. Keep in mind that you have to negotiate the payment terms. I remember times where you had to pay the rent with 1 cheque. Nowadays it's up to your negotiation skills.

I highly recommend that go to DXB with your wife for at least 10 days. Show her the possible living areas and find out if she's fine with it. Visit some apartments with here. Itdoesn't make sense moving to DXB when your wife isn't happy with it. A lot of relationships broke up (including mine) because missus was not happy. Let your wife do her own investigations. There are some expat forums where she is able to get answers she might be looking for.

For a single guy the FZ deal works, with family I have some doubts.

Edit: Try to catch up with some of your future colleagues, a chat face to face will help a lot.
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Old 25th Nov 2016, 12:17
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Exdubai, thanks for the dubizzle tip. From what I gathered one may expect to pay ~120,000-130,000 drh pa. (11,000drh monthly) for a decent apartment. Add the housing utilities which i would assume is 2,000drh monthly still leaves some cash aside from the 15,000 FZ Housing Allowance (~2,000drh).

Of course i am sure I'm missing some hidden expenses which maybe someone may kindly point out...

Assuming other expenses:
4,000drh monthly for car (fuel,insurance,maintenance,loan payback)/uber taxi
8,000drh monthly to survive and enjoy life
4,000drh for babysitters

Left over is about 10,000drh or 2500 for the savings account. Is this a realistic estimate?

Would be nice to have some contacts as you recommended
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Old 25th Nov 2016, 12:47
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In three posts you have come down from 4000 Euros saved to 2500 !!!
Furthermore it is not only about money , you have to read what has been said above by some others.
It is about your quality of life and the long term Relationship with your wife if you plan to see you kid growing with you AND with your wife or be divorced in a few years.
Also there is no state pension which means that the saving you are talking about will also be necessary to build up a pension for the future and it will not be added to a state pension it will be the only one.
The medical insurance is also quite bad in the sense that you will have to pay quite a lot on top of what is covered by the insurance provided by the company ( if you are Lucky and never get a long term disease than it fine but who knows )
Also in case of long term sickness or loss of medical , you will be grounded which means that you will only get your full BASIC salary + house allowance for 15 days then another 15 days with only the BASIC salary and no more the house allowance and then NOTHING for the next 60 days as the loss of income insurance only starts after 90 days and it is not huge ( unless you contribute yourself to increase it ) it is around 4000$ for an F/O and 6000$ for a captain ( If I am correct ) and it will be your business to pay what will be necessary to try to get back your medical ( all the expenses will be on you , don't expect any intervention from the medical insurance or the company )
There are plenty of example and I have spoken directly with 3 pilots involved in this painful process.
I don't say don't join BUT make a very good and thorough research before taking your decision.
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Old 25th Nov 2016, 15:22
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a small pack of blueberrys 35 AED (7.50 GBP)
1 pumpkin for halloween ca. 200 AED (43.0 GBP)
1 beer 45 AED (9.85 GBP)

I could go on, but I think you get the picture.

Quality time with family..... that's a very real issue. Often you will be rostered 1 day off in 7, 2 off in 14, and 8 off in 28 (recently improved to 9 off in 28). Many night flights.....and I don't just mean getting home late, I mean ALL through the night (often 3 in a row), followed by a rest day and then in for an early between 4-6am. You can have anything from 1 night flight to 15 (I've had it).

The roster is random and based on seniority (joke). As a new entry you can expect little of what you ask for and will have to put up with the scraps.

The take home message from me would be:

Don't expect to save much money as an FO with a family. If however, you want to live a frugal life, it is possible, but you won't be able to enjoy your time in Dubai. The working life is tiring to the point of fatiguing and the subsequent strain that that can convey upon a family is not to be underestimated. A few guys (as mentioned previously) have seen their marriages fall apart in Dubai.

Dubai is not for everyone, and the only way to discover whether it is for you or not is to experience it. This thread is populated with all the info, good and bad. Unfortunately, there won't be many people here that will give you the definitive answer you're looking for

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Old 25th Nov 2016, 16:58
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From the replies received, it does look more expensive than expected. So the jump to the left is a relief, if lucky enough - as I understand. Or else the missus has to work too.
Thanks for the comments. If i pass the selection, I'll have a good think about it. I understand the schedules are absurdly tough.
Well it's either FZ or FR for me as i need the b737 rating and all i have are 4500+ paddleflapper hours.
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Old 25th Nov 2016, 17:17
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Agent. The last few posts are very accurate re the cost of living. The rosters at FD speak for themselves. Your attitude is very positive. Remember that foreigners subsidise locals for electricity and water bills. Everything is imported. FD and EK help Sheikh Mohammed pay his massive debts of $130 billion. The debts will always come before payrises. Inflation is rampant. As another poster says come for 10 days. Check it out. If it suits you then great. It isn't an easy decision. Nursery places are expensive. All the best of luck to you.
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Old 3rd Dec 2016, 23:00
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FZ medical

Anybody know the extent of the company medical. EKG, eye dilution, urine test..from company clinic or privately done?
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