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FlyDubai assessment is going to be held in Phoenix, Arizona. Anyone has an invite yet? Also, what is FlyDubai's stance on pilot's they have rejected in past?
Thanks in advance.
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Like I said in reply #2527, Zagreb and Sarajevo are now officially confirmed.
All details incl the schedules here:
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Zagreb is a 12:30 return trip. If I'm correct that is just 15 minutes short of the max FDP. Sarajevo is 30 minutes short of max FDP. Turnaround at Zagreb is only 45 minutes. (Sarajevo is 50') Interesting...but I like it!
Planned flight time to Zagreb 6:20hrs!
All details incl the schedules here:
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Zagreb is a 12:30 return trip. If I'm correct that is just 15 minutes short of the max FDP. Sarajevo is 30 minutes short of max FDP. Turnaround at Zagreb is only 45 minutes. (Sarajevo is 50') Interesting...but I like it!
Planned flight time to Zagreb 6:20hrs!
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7Q Off: With 2 pilots, starting within a certain morning time band, and if only 2 sectors are operated, the maximum Allowable 'Flight Duty Period' (FDP) is 13:15.
Ones FDP starts at the rostered report time (which, in FZ's case, is 1 hour prior to the Scheduled Departure Time of the first sector), and then includes all of the hours up until the point when the brakes are set & engines switched off, at the end of the last sector.
Entirely subject to 'Commanders Discretion', the Allowable FDP can be increased to allow for 'unforeseen circumstances'.... i.e. utilisation of Commanders Discretion cannot be part of the normal route scheduling exercise.
The maximum allowable amount of Commanders Discretion is 3 hours, i.e. on top of the Allowable FDP. That said, this is subject to a number of provisos:
In order to exercise 'Commanders Discretion', the Commander needs to take account of the circumstances (the physical & mental fitness) of his crew to ensure that they are fit to continue operating safely.
Up to 2 hours of Commanders Discretion can be exercised (even prior to leaving Base) so long as it is followed up with a report to the company as to why Discretion was needed.
Utilising more than 2 hours of a Commanders Discretion requires that the Commanders report is also sent to the GCAA.
Woe betide any Commander that exceeds 3 hours of Commanders Discretion... the only exception to that being if one is in a 'life & death' situation.
In a previous life, it was ostensibly the case that if a series of flights (typically 3 in a row) to a particular destination required the use of Commanders Discretion, the Regulator (e.g. the CAA) would require that the crewing of that route was reviewed / changed, which might include adding supplementary crew members (which influences the Allowable FDP), and / or maybe involving HOTAC'ing of the crew down route, and / or maybe the use of something known as a 'Level II Variation' (which can extend the normal Allowable FDP by 1 hour, subject to certain provisos).
Against the jet stream in the winter, and with often crap weather at the destination (and alternates), imho, these flights look very likely to go into Commanders Discretion, with all that that entails,... and always assuming that the Commanders consent to utilising it ?!
Ones FDP starts at the rostered report time (which, in FZ's case, is 1 hour prior to the Scheduled Departure Time of the first sector), and then includes all of the hours up until the point when the brakes are set & engines switched off, at the end of the last sector.
Entirely subject to 'Commanders Discretion', the Allowable FDP can be increased to allow for 'unforeseen circumstances'.... i.e. utilisation of Commanders Discretion cannot be part of the normal route scheduling exercise.
The maximum allowable amount of Commanders Discretion is 3 hours, i.e. on top of the Allowable FDP. That said, this is subject to a number of provisos:
In order to exercise 'Commanders Discretion', the Commander needs to take account of the circumstances (the physical & mental fitness) of his crew to ensure that they are fit to continue operating safely.
Up to 2 hours of Commanders Discretion can be exercised (even prior to leaving Base) so long as it is followed up with a report to the company as to why Discretion was needed.
Utilising more than 2 hours of a Commanders Discretion requires that the Commanders report is also sent to the GCAA.
Woe betide any Commander that exceeds 3 hours of Commanders Discretion... the only exception to that being if one is in a 'life & death' situation.
In a previous life, it was ostensibly the case that if a series of flights (typically 3 in a row) to a particular destination required the use of Commanders Discretion, the Regulator (e.g. the CAA) would require that the crewing of that route was reviewed / changed, which might include adding supplementary crew members (which influences the Allowable FDP), and / or maybe involving HOTAC'ing of the crew down route, and / or maybe the use of something known as a 'Level II Variation' (which can extend the normal Allowable FDP by 1 hour, subject to certain provisos).
Against the jet stream in the winter, and with often crap weather at the destination (and alternates), imho, these flights look very likely to go into Commanders Discretion, with all that that entails,... and always assuming that the Commanders consent to utilising it ?!
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Already exceeded
If I'm reading these correctly, Zagreb reports at 0840 and returns at 2210 which is a FDP of 13:30 (exceeding FDP limit by 15 mins) and Sarajevo reports at 0845 and returns at 2200 which is a FDP of 13:15 (exactly on the limit).
These flights are already scheduled to exceed a standard 2 man crew turnaround
These flights are already scheduled to exceed a standard 2 man crew turnaround
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Thanks old king, just curious how things are done in the desert. Where I fly we have 13 hs FDP, and I can extend that time 20% more at captains discretion, but with 2 pilots we only can fly only 8 hs, after that we need 3 guys where FDP is also increased.
Best wishes.
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NinER fIveR: Well spotted !
In order to extend the Allowable FDP to the extent that it can encompass the proposed schedule times for the route, one suspects that those flights will have to be operated with either 3 or 4 pilots - which FZ already does do on some routes - and which (for a Zagreb) would allow an additional 1:20 minutes with 3 pilots, OR an additional 1:58 with 4 pilots.... wherein the additional pilots will have to take their 'rest' in a Business Class seat (which, with 3 pilots, requires that the adjacent business class seat also blocked-off for use by pax, but that with 4 pilots they can sit side-by-side on another) and, with 3 crew, it necessarily requires that the extra crew member be a Captain (whom is also right-hand-seat qualified).
See Ops Manual / Part A / Section 7.6.1.
In order to extend the Allowable FDP to the extent that it can encompass the proposed schedule times for the route, one suspects that those flights will have to be operated with either 3 or 4 pilots - which FZ already does do on some routes - and which (for a Zagreb) would allow an additional 1:20 minutes with 3 pilots, OR an additional 1:58 with 4 pilots.... wherein the additional pilots will have to take their 'rest' in a Business Class seat (which, with 3 pilots, requires that the adjacent business class seat also blocked-off for use by pax, but that with 4 pilots they can sit side-by-side on another) and, with 3 crew, it necessarily requires that the extra crew member be a Captain (whom is also right-hand-seat qualified).
See Ops Manual / Part A / Section 7.6.1.
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Well i hardly wait for the winter ops to start with those lovely turn arounds ...hahaha.So many disruption will occur ....haha what's next ? Lisbon turn around ?
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777 shot down at FZ waypoint
Sad to hear the news that a 777 operated by Malaysian Airline System, Flight number MH17, was shot down near waypoint TAMAK on the Ukraine -Rostov FIR boundary at circa 1415z today.
This follows the recent tit for tat shooting down of two military types in the same region - AN26 on Monday and a SU25 yesterday.
This follows the recent tit for tat shooting down of two military types in the same region - AN26 on Monday and a SU25 yesterday.
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And meanwhile, today there was an RPG and assault rife attack on Kabul airport.
(Reuters) - Militants armed with rocket-propelled grenades attacked Kabul International Airport in the Afghan capital on Thursday in one of the most audacious assaults on the facility, used by both civilians and the military, in a year.
The attack lasted about four hours.............Militants fire rockets into the airport almost every week...........
Perhaps we will fly to Tripoli next.....
(Reuters) - Militants armed with rocket-propelled grenades attacked Kabul International Airport in the Afghan capital on Thursday in one of the most audacious assaults on the facility, used by both civilians and the military, in a year.
The attack lasted about four hours.............Militants fire rockets into the airport almost every week...........
Perhaps we will fly to Tripoli next.....
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There will be a statement soon by the security department, after carefully assessing the situation, and after our secret intelligence contacts in the affected areas, gather all information from their undisclosed sources.
In the mean time and until the rebels, the insurgents, and the Jihadists end their good cause struggle, we can all take our chances and operate on our next Ukrainian, Afghani, Yemeni, Pakistani, South Sudanese, and Iraqi, Kurdish or Caliphate flights.
May God bless and protect.
Good night and good luck.
In the mean time and until the rebels, the insurgents, and the Jihadists end their good cause struggle, we can all take our chances and operate on our next Ukrainian, Afghani, Yemeni, Pakistani, South Sudanese, and Iraqi, Kurdish or Caliphate flights.
May God bless and protect.
Good night and good luck.
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RE: Shot-Down Malaysia Flight
Air Arabia suspends Kiev...
Flydubai still doing it's thing in: Kiev, Kharkiv and...Donetsk.
Crashed right next to Donetsk:
Graphic: Malaysian plane crashed in Ukraine was headed home - chicagotribune.com
Air Arabia suspends Kiev flights, Flydubai operating 'to schedule' | GulfNews.com
Air Arabia suspends Kiev...
Flydubai still doing it's thing in: Kiev, Kharkiv and...Donetsk.
Crashed right next to Donetsk:
Graphic: Malaysian plane crashed in Ukraine was headed home - chicagotribune.com
Air Arabia suspends Kiev flights, Flydubai operating 'to schedule' | GulfNews.com
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Amateur management
It makes FZ management look like a joke......ops, safety officer, chief pilot, coo, ceo etc must all be aware of the troubles in ukraine but did nothing to address the safety of their aircraft!
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What amazes me the most , and this is valid for EK FZ and all the like flying to some of the war zone where other companies will not go for obvious safety concerns , is the fact that a few of their pilots are here to say what they think about the management "team" of those airlines but when it comes to act what are these guys doing.
The "bravest" do call sick to avoid to fly there but then another pilot on stand by will have to fly instead of him/her to that place.
Tell me why with the hundred or even the thousand of pilots in those companies instead of reacting here don't go and tell their company they they will not operate those flight ?
They can not lay out a big number of pilots , they can not afford it.
So take your responsibility and don' t operate those flights , if not it means that you agree with them that the risk is remote and then don't jump on this website when it finally happen....
The "bravest" do call sick to avoid to fly there but then another pilot on stand by will have to fly instead of him/her to that place.
Tell me why with the hundred or even the thousand of pilots in those companies instead of reacting here don't go and tell their company they they will not operate those flight ?
They can not lay out a big number of pilots , they can not afford it.
So take your responsibility and don' t operate those flights , if not it means that you agree with them that the risk is remote and then don't jump on this website when it finally happen....
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Have you not seen what happens with the labor workers out here if they put down their tools when working for a government company the UAE sees this as a strike. The same is pilots for EK,FZ,and the unmentionable. Striking in the UAE is illegal, Fact. They have the right to arrest you and lock you up if you refuse to fly. I don't agree with that at all but it's the situation we are in.
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