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These figures are not the latest but should be close. The Dirham is 3.66 to the US $
Captain’s Salary
Basic salary
25,000
Housing allowance
16,000
Transportation allowance
4,000
Variable Flying Pay *
(based on working an 80 hour month)
12,000
Projected Total
57,000
Variable Pay:
Callout Pay – If you work on a non-rostered day, you shall receive an additional AED 350 per day.
Flying Pay – You shall receive an additional AED 150 for every block-flying hour you work.
Captain’s Salary
Salary per month
Value in AED
25,000
Housing allowance
16,000
Transportation allowance
4,000
Variable Flying Pay *
(based on working an 80 hour month)
12,000
Projected Total
57,000
Variable Pay:
Callout Pay – If you work on a non-rostered day, you shall receive an additional AED 350 per day.
Flying Pay – You shall receive an additional AED 150 for every block-flying hour you work.
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WYOMINGPILOT, those numbers that you are talking about are not the actual numbers. Those were the initial package which is called "Scale A". Now days FD has "A,B,C,D.. Scales" for Captains and FO's
A new Captain starts on "Scale C" which is approximately 13-15% less than "Scale A"
A new Captain starts on "Scale C" which is approximately 13-15% less than "Scale A"
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Fwiw, I am an 'A' Scale Captain / line-pilot in FZ and I receive the following monthly:
There is also:
For my last 4½ years of flight ops within FZ I have consistently achieved 850 block hours per annum.
For me, at least, my annual take-home pay has been in the region of: 706,000 AED / $192,209 USD / €139,335 EUR / £115,156 GBP,... and out of that I have to pay for my accommodation, utility bills, transport, etc (though school fees and / or medical bills would be dealt with via separate allowances, and which I have not included in the aforementioned figures).
In summary, there are indeed several scales for T&C's (for Captains & F/O's) within FZ, though I'm not sure precisely how much each scale gets (but they are, nonetheless, a little bit less than the so called 'A' scale but maybe not as much as spanishfly suggested, wherein the 'A' scalers have not received any increase in Basic Salary since 2010 and likewise that they have received zero increase in the accommodation and transport allowances since joining in 2009... and thus the 'B', 'C', 'D', etc scales are now catching up).
Nb. There is no direct taxation levied within the UAE, though if you are the holder of a USA Passport your government will still expect you to pay tax back home in the good'ole USofA, i.e. based upon your worldwide income, which would therein include what you earn in the UAE (wherein my understanding of it is that: the USA Government will ignore the first $90k USD of your worlwide earnings, but will tax you on anything above that amount and will do so at the rate defined by the total amount of your worldwide earnings & allowances, i.e. they will use whatever is the tax rate that applies based upon the total figure of your earnings & allowances, including the first $90k USD, and apply that tax rate to whatever it is that you earned in excess of the first $90k USD. Aside: the irony should not be lost upon us that the Boston Tea Party kicked off the War of Independence - much due to a tax upon tea, amongst other reasons - ultimately leading to the separation of the fledgling USA from the motherland UK, but that today British expats pay no tax on their foreign earnings, whereas USA expats do!... well I really shouldn't laugh, but... lol )
Ps. PBS =
- Basic Salary: 26,705 AED
- Housing Allowance: 16,000 AED
- Transport Allowance: 4,000 AED
There is also:
- Flight Duty Pay: 160 Dhs per block hour (for Captains).
For my last 4½ years of flight ops within FZ I have consistently achieved 850 block hours per annum.
For me, at least, my annual take-home pay has been in the region of: 706,000 AED / $192,209 USD / €139,335 EUR / £115,156 GBP,... and out of that I have to pay for my accommodation, utility bills, transport, etc (though school fees and / or medical bills would be dealt with via separate allowances, and which I have not included in the aforementioned figures).
In summary, there are indeed several scales for T&C's (for Captains & F/O's) within FZ, though I'm not sure precisely how much each scale gets (but they are, nonetheless, a little bit less than the so called 'A' scale but maybe not as much as spanishfly suggested, wherein the 'A' scalers have not received any increase in Basic Salary since 2010 and likewise that they have received zero increase in the accommodation and transport allowances since joining in 2009... and thus the 'B', 'C', 'D', etc scales are now catching up).
Nb. There is no direct taxation levied within the UAE, though if you are the holder of a USA Passport your government will still expect you to pay tax back home in the good'ole USofA, i.e. based upon your worldwide income, which would therein include what you earn in the UAE (wherein my understanding of it is that: the USA Government will ignore the first $90k USD of your worlwide earnings, but will tax you on anything above that amount and will do so at the rate defined by the total amount of your worldwide earnings & allowances, i.e. they will use whatever is the tax rate that applies based upon the total figure of your earnings & allowances, including the first $90k USD, and apply that tax rate to whatever it is that you earned in excess of the first $90k USD. Aside: the irony should not be lost upon us that the Boston Tea Party kicked off the War of Independence - much due to a tax upon tea, amongst other reasons - ultimately leading to the separation of the fledgling USA from the motherland UK, but that today British expats pay no tax on their foreign earnings, whereas USA expats do!... well I really shouldn't laugh, but... lol )
Ps. PBS =
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@ Vortac1. Sorry to say but my reply was honest, no sarcasm whatsoever. We're at a point on pprune where honest replies are not even considered. AFAIK thats why we have smilies...
And yes, I do have nearly average 15 days off a month with 17 days off* this month. (NO SARCASM)
* = 10x rostered days off + 7 days where I'm at home till 10pm thus in my eyes a day off.
And yes, I do have nearly average 15 days off a month with 17 days off* this month. (NO SARCASM)
* = 10x rostered days off + 7 days where I'm at home till 10pm thus in my eyes a day off.
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Oh wow, may bad. Sarcasm switch was on but way off, lol. I'm surprised to hear such good news from PBS. Glad to hear that at least a bit more control is given to the crew when it's time to get their rosters.
Thanks again for the info!
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Thanks again for the info!
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To have 15 days OFF is not happening for the vast majority of pilots, left or right seat.
To put it simpler senior pilots get what they want especially 15+ days off, no night flights, and very few SBys.
All the others get minimum days off, night flights and double sectors, irrespective what they bid for.
So there are privileged pilots and non privileged pilots. Is PBS doing what is supposed to? Is PBS meant to give someone 8 or 9 days off MORE than his/her colleagues? We were told that it was meant to control our life style, however PBS DISCRIMINATES, rather than trying to keep some degree of fairness.
To put it simpler senior pilots get what they want especially 15+ days off, no night flights, and very few SBys.
All the others get minimum days off, night flights and double sectors, irrespective what they bid for.
So there are privileged pilots and non privileged pilots. Is PBS doing what is supposed to? Is PBS meant to give someone 8 or 9 days off MORE than his/her colleagues? We were told that it was meant to control our life style, however PBS DISCRIMINATES, rather than trying to keep some degree of fairness.
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Poleshift,
What you describe in your post is what I have endured for the last three plus years. PBS does not discriminate, it rewards those pilots who wish to stay.
The men and women I fly with, even those with relatively low seniority, are still getting better rosters than I did 6 months ago.
Not sure how long you've been with FZ, BUT, if after three years of what we've been through, there is no way you would complain about PBS.
8 days off was the norm for a long time. As was three long nights in a row, followed by one day off before a run of earlies.
Been there, done it, got the T-shirt.
What you describe in your post is what I have endured for the last three plus years. PBS does not discriminate, it rewards those pilots who wish to stay.
The men and women I fly with, even those with relatively low seniority, are still getting better rosters than I did 6 months ago.
Not sure how long you've been with FZ, BUT, if after three years of what we've been through, there is no way you would complain about PBS.
8 days off was the norm for a long time. As was three long nights in a row, followed by one day off before a run of earlies.
Been there, done it, got the T-shirt.
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PBS for me is an absolute dream though I don't tend to get 15 days off per month. Normally closer to 12/13 but then I don't bid for long flights. This month my earliest report is 0630 and aside from one flight, latest home is 2220 with NO overnights.
Yes, you've probably guessed I do have very high seniority and save a couple of standby's and one flight which I didn't request the entire month has the annotation R below each day, so requested duty.
For those that are bemoaning the fact that its alright for the chosen few who have seniority I would like to say this: Even the most junior pilot now has more control over when and where they work than even the most senior pilots had last year before PBS. The best we could manage was two days off in a row. Imagine if you had no control, then you are welcome to the often shocking rosters that we had to endure for over 4 YEARS!!!!! Every month you are getting more senior as more aircraft and pilots arrive and after one year there should be a definite improvement if you think you are getting bum rosters now.
To a degree the fault can lie with the individual for not bidding correctly. I have seen some terrible bidding and it is no result the the pilot ends up with such garbage. I put in about eight to ten bids with max priority four. The system can and does work no matter your seniority. If you are more junior then be more flexible and then as your seniority rises then you can be more specific and you should see a difference.
As others have mentioned above and I do know their seniority numbers, PBS can and does work. I've seen some schedules from junior pilots in both seats and yes it does work for them too.
As the email suggests - bid smart!!!
Yes, you've probably guessed I do have very high seniority and save a couple of standby's and one flight which I didn't request the entire month has the annotation R below each day, so requested duty.
For those that are bemoaning the fact that its alright for the chosen few who have seniority I would like to say this: Even the most junior pilot now has more control over when and where they work than even the most senior pilots had last year before PBS. The best we could manage was two days off in a row. Imagine if you had no control, then you are welcome to the often shocking rosters that we had to endure for over 4 YEARS!!!!! Every month you are getting more senior as more aircraft and pilots arrive and after one year there should be a definite improvement if you think you are getting bum rosters now.
To a degree the fault can lie with the individual for not bidding correctly. I have seen some terrible bidding and it is no result the the pilot ends up with such garbage. I put in about eight to ten bids with max priority four. The system can and does work no matter your seniority. If you are more junior then be more flexible and then as your seniority rises then you can be more specific and you should see a difference.
As others have mentioned above and I do know their seniority numbers, PBS can and does work. I've seen some schedules from junior pilots in both seats and yes it does work for them too.
As the email suggests - bid smart!!!
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Here are the latest figures for a New-hire Captain. It looks like the original joiners get a little more than the new guys in all the pay areas but not 12-13% less more like about 5%.
Captain:
Salary per month
Value in AED
Basic salary
25,225
Housing allowance
14,000
Transportation allowance
2,300
Variable Flying Pay *
(based on working an 80 hour month)
12,800
Projected Total
54,325
Captain:
Salary per month
Value in AED
Basic salary
25,225
Housing allowance
14,000
Transportation allowance
2,300
Variable Flying Pay *
(based on working an 80 hour month)
12,800
Projected Total
54,325
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Here are the FO pay rates
First Officer:
Salary per month
Value in AED
Basic salary
17,000
Housing allowance
12,000
Transportation allowance
1,700
Variable Flying Pay *
(based on working an 80 hour month)
9,200
Projected Total
39,900
First Officer:
Salary per month
Value in AED
Basic salary
17,000
Housing allowance
12,000
Transportation allowance
1,700
Variable Flying Pay *
(based on working an 80 hour month)
9,200
Projected Total
39,900
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The reality is that low seniority pilots have absolutely no chance of getting a 'gentleman's' flight as is called.
It will always be night FRU, OSS, MUX, DOH, MCT, double sectors, etc. Never mind the annual leave.
What is the point of having an 'R' underneath my night TBS I wonder...
The pilots of the same company are called colleagues. They usually do the same work and earn the same or simillar living, given the same rank, especially in a new company. It changed here. Seniority can be rewarded in a different way, more salary, different scale, more annual leave, etc.
Not in expense of the days OFF of the other pilots. Everyone has a lifestyle, family, children, that they would like to spent weekends with, or see more often, or spent more time with, etc etc.
Fairness is the magic word. Alternating seniority in bidding can correct things I guess. But I guess high seniority guys wouldn't like to give it up...
But after all is not a fair world.
The reality is that low seniority pilots have absolutely no chance of getting a 'gentleman's' flight as is called.
It will always be night FRU, OSS, MUX, DOH, MCT, double sectors, etc. Never mind the annual leave.
What is the point of having an 'R' underneath my night TBS I wonder...
The pilots of the same company are called colleagues. They usually do the same work and earn the same or simillar living, given the same rank, especially in a new company. It changed here. Seniority can be rewarded in a different way, more salary, different scale, more annual leave, etc.
Not in expense of the days OFF of the other pilots. Everyone has a lifestyle, family, children, that they would like to spent weekends with, or see more often, or spent more time with, etc etc.
Fairness is the magic word. Alternating seniority in bidding can correct things I guess. But I guess high seniority guys wouldn't like to give it up...
But after all is not a fair world.
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Pole,
I do appreciate that all the flights must be covered and that includes all the night awfuls. Some people don't actually mind night flights and so do bid for them because then they have more chances of being awarded their OFF days. I can understand that low seniority pilots sometimes must feel they just get whats left but that is exactly what the highest senior pilots got even in September last year. We had no control over what we were rostered and the amounts of all nighters and 0120 four sector trips I did doesn't even bear thinking about. And yes, I've done all those you write about (before PBS
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You got an R under your TBS because something in your bid came under that schedule. I operated that trip some months ago even with my seniority before PBS so don't worry, the senior guys have done all these trips too.
If you can put up with a few flights that you may not like then I can be willing to bet that after only even one year, your seniority will have risen by enough with all the new joiners etc that you would see a noticeable difference in what you are awarded. I would suggest that you be far more flexible about where you go and a greater spread of times you are willing to depart in. If you are very rigid and the computer can not schedule your trip then it will bin off any other conflicting bids you have and then you WILL end up with whats left.
I saw the roster of one recently joined FO. He said he did some flexible bidding but ended up with a roster that he said he couldn't have written better himself. I'm not saying that will be the case for everyone every month but the feeling I get is that most people are happier with PBS than without it, at least you have MORE control than before!
Upstairs have decided it will be a seniority driven schedule and so live with the not so good for now, it will get better for you.
I do appreciate that all the flights must be covered and that includes all the night awfuls. Some people don't actually mind night flights and so do bid for them because then they have more chances of being awarded their OFF days. I can understand that low seniority pilots sometimes must feel they just get whats left but that is exactly what the highest senior pilots got even in September last year. We had no control over what we were rostered and the amounts of all nighters and 0120 four sector trips I did doesn't even bear thinking about. And yes, I've done all those you write about (before PBS
)You got an R under your TBS because something in your bid came under that schedule. I operated that trip some months ago even with my seniority before PBS so don't worry, the senior guys have done all these trips too.
If you can put up with a few flights that you may not like then I can be willing to bet that after only even one year, your seniority will have risen by enough with all the new joiners etc that you would see a noticeable difference in what you are awarded. I would suggest that you be far more flexible about where you go and a greater spread of times you are willing to depart in. If you are very rigid and the computer can not schedule your trip then it will bin off any other conflicting bids you have and then you WILL end up with whats left.
I saw the roster of one recently joined FO. He said he did some flexible bidding but ended up with a roster that he said he couldn't have written better himself. I'm not saying that will be the case for everyone every month but the feeling I get is that most people are happier with PBS than without it, at least you have MORE control than before!
Upstairs have decided it will be a seniority driven schedule and so live with the not so good for now, it will get better for you.
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Pole shift,
What did it say on your FZ contract when you signed?
As mentioned earlier, you're doing nothing we haven't for last three/ four years. Flydubai is a seniority based airline, that isn't going to change i'm afraid.
I really don't see why a recently joined pilot should get all the benefits that it has taken three to four years for everybody else to achieve, during which time, many pilots had left because the rosters were so tough.
Hang in there, like all of us have!
What did it say on your FZ contract when you signed?
As mentioned earlier, you're doing nothing we haven't for last three/ four years. Flydubai is a seniority based airline, that isn't going to change i'm afraid.
I really don't see why a recently joined pilot should get all the benefits that it has taken three to four years for everybody else to achieve, during which time, many pilots had left because the rosters were so tough.
Hang in there, like all of us have!
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PS,
During the first two years of this airlines exsistence I would have agreed with your sentiments. Unfortunately though, about 2.5 years ago this pilot group stopped being "colleagues". The "I want mine now" group started buying rosters, or as you call it "privileged" rosters from the planning guys. Honestly I could not believe that was happening until one day I found a printed copy of a DECs roster. This guy had been with FZ maybe six months, but his roster had two commutable periods of time off, long stretches of 6 days off WITHOUT trip trades. All the while the guys who started this airline, the guys who flew the 25 hour rosters, sat 10 standbys a month for almost the first year of operations, were getting 8 days off with AM/PM shift changes in the SAME block of flights. Maybe one day when the airline stops growing something might change, but for now it is what it is and for good reason.
During the first two years of this airlines exsistence I would have agreed with your sentiments. Unfortunately though, about 2.5 years ago this pilot group stopped being "colleagues". The "I want mine now" group started buying rosters, or as you call it "privileged" rosters from the planning guys. Honestly I could not believe that was happening until one day I found a printed copy of a DECs roster. This guy had been with FZ maybe six months, but his roster had two commutable periods of time off, long stretches of 6 days off WITHOUT trip trades. All the while the guys who started this airline, the guys who flew the 25 hour rosters, sat 10 standbys a month for almost the first year of operations, were getting 8 days off with AM/PM shift changes in the SAME block of flights. Maybe one day when the airline stops growing something might change, but for now it is what it is and for good reason.
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The only big issue with flydubai is that silly rule that is allowing the first officers to keep their seniority even after they've been upgraded as captains.
I've never heard such thing before, it doesn't exist in any other serious company...Common sense dictate that once you pass your command upgrade (that in Flydubai is quite easy) then you pass behind.....If they keep this rule for the future upgrades they will loose all their valuable and experienced captains because they will never have the chance to become senior, never until the upgraded fo's are in the company....
I've never heard such thing before, it doesn't exist in any other serious company...Common sense dictate that once you pass your command upgrade (that in Flydubai is quite easy) then you pass behind.....If they keep this rule for the future upgrades they will loose all their valuable and experienced captains because they will never have the chance to become senior, never until the upgraded fo's are in the company....
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Im not sure I follow. You are saying that FOs that upgrade should lose their seniority and go back to "Year 1" seniority right after upgrade?
If thats the case, it would be the first time I hear of such a move in any company.
If thats the case, it would be the first time I hear of such a move in any company.