Emirates Hold Pool
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forum newbie, applicants always had to pay their own way to interviews with EK until a (very) few years ago when the applicants, to put it simply, stopped applying.
Now that there's a glut of pilots on the market again, they've very quickly reverted to their old system of never spending a Dirham that doesn't need to be spent. At the risk of causing enormous offence to some, I'd say the second interview requirement is mute testimony to the fact that with the current glut of applicants in the market, EK has also been able to revert to interviewing applicants with the experience levels they traditionally took until a very few years ago.
It's an indisputable fact that over the last few years, thanks to the then dearth of suitably experienced pilots on the market, EK was forced to take on pilots - both FOs and DECs - who before then wouldn't have even been picked for an initial interview.
I'm not discussing ability here, but simply previous experience.
The big question is - with the new 'lean and mean/slash and burn' approach to pilots that the EK mnagement has adopted over the last 12 months, even in the current terrible worldwide economic situation, whether they'll be able to attract sufficient numbers of those more experienced pilots? My guess is that they will, because despite all the warnings from those already slaving at the coalface, pilots looking for a job traditionally hear only what they want hear and don't start bitching until after they've got their own feet firmly placed under the table.
Now that there's a glut of pilots on the market again, they've very quickly reverted to their old system of never spending a Dirham that doesn't need to be spent. At the risk of causing enormous offence to some, I'd say the second interview requirement is mute testimony to the fact that with the current glut of applicants in the market, EK has also been able to revert to interviewing applicants with the experience levels they traditionally took until a very few years ago.
It's an indisputable fact that over the last few years, thanks to the then dearth of suitably experienced pilots on the market, EK was forced to take on pilots - both FOs and DECs - who before then wouldn't have even been picked for an initial interview.
I'm not discussing ability here, but simply previous experience.
The big question is - with the new 'lean and mean/slash and burn' approach to pilots that the EK mnagement has adopted over the last 12 months, even in the current terrible worldwide economic situation, whether they'll be able to attract sufficient numbers of those more experienced pilots? My guess is that they will, because despite all the warnings from those already slaving at the coalface, pilots looking for a job traditionally hear only what they want hear and don't start bitching until after they've got their own feet firmly placed under the table.
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If you guys applying at EK are frustrated with the way you are treated by recruitment (i.e. Waiting for months, no updates, no answer, constant changes, pay or not your ticket.......).
This is just a taste.
WAIT until you get here!!!!!
This is just a taste.
WAIT until you get here!!!!!
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I think Wiley's got the situation pegged to a 't'.
And as others have said before me, bitch you will.
My guess is that they will, (have no trouble filling the spots), because despite all the warnings from those already slaving at the coalface, pilots looking for a job traditionally hear only what they want hear and don't start bitching until after they've got their own feet firmly placed under the table.
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People like cosmo will come on these boards and tell you how wonderful ek is
In the other hand, you'll find out I told things would be worse, and they are.
All the comments were in relation to other airlines. T&C degrading everywhere.
So, stop being a pri*ck, FN.
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You'll be ten years to command, things are gonna slow right down... the rosters are murder ladies 'n gents...
all you new joiners, 'specially the ones startin' in Aug... don't say you weren't warned.
all you new joiners, 'specially the ones startin' in Aug... don't say you weren't warned.
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I would be somewhat wary joining EK at the moment.
Yes a job is definitely better than no job and the pay is ok though it will be earned with fatigue, disrespect, and an a care-not attitude to any problems.
Living in Dubai is likely to get unpleasant though. The city is in deep economic strife and there is much more to come. So is EK I hear. Each week another loss. There will be further cuts to T&C with little to be done about it.
The mantra's abound: "If you dont like it - leave", "You are lucky to have a job". Not exactly a model of Resource Management though they would have us believe that they place high value on this in an aircraft. Only it is not practiced from above.
For a single man woman with no ties or obligations to the place and no intention of doing anything without being able to leave the uniform on an overnight and drift away - then fine. EK will work (And so will you!)
For someone moving a family, or intending setting up shop here for some time including capital outlay on the required utilities, then think long and hard. Your family is unlikely to thank you in the future.
Yes a job is definitely better than no job and the pay is ok though it will be earned with fatigue, disrespect, and an a care-not attitude to any problems.
Living in Dubai is likely to get unpleasant though. The city is in deep economic strife and there is much more to come. So is EK I hear. Each week another loss. There will be further cuts to T&C with little to be done about it.
The mantra's abound: "If you dont like it - leave", "You are lucky to have a job". Not exactly a model of Resource Management though they would have us believe that they place high value on this in an aircraft. Only it is not practiced from above.
For a single man woman with no ties or obligations to the place and no intention of doing anything without being able to leave the uniform on an overnight and drift away - then fine. EK will work (And so will you!)
For someone moving a family, or intending setting up shop here for some time including capital outlay on the required utilities, then think long and hard. Your family is unlikely to thank you in the future.
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we've been warned ...
It's been a while since my last post here at the pool thread. Completed a year in the pool recently and got the news to join this september. After looking at my present situation and the pros/cons of leaving my current employment (P1 narrowbody ) and other factors , I had to decline the offer.
It was a difficult decision to make considering that EK is one of the major airlines in the world and an opportunity like this may not present itself very soon in the near future.
Funny thing is the other selected pilots from my group have also turned down the offer due to various reasons . It's a shame really 'coz I was really looking forward to joining after the interview in Dubai.
Best of luck to all of you and my only suggestion to those in the pool, do look at your situation properly ...EK might work for you if your situation requires it , a decision to join is entirely case- specific.For all those in EK giving us the low-down , thank you for your time.
masalama.
It was a difficult decision to make considering that EK is one of the major airlines in the world and an opportunity like this may not present itself very soon in the near future.
Funny thing is the other selected pilots from my group have also turned down the offer due to various reasons . It's a shame really 'coz I was really looking forward to joining after the interview in Dubai.
Best of luck to all of you and my only suggestion to those in the pool, do look at your situation properly ...EK might work for you if your situation requires it , a decision to join is entirely case- specific.For all those in EK giving us the low-down , thank you for your time.
masalama.
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I would say most accepted. Let's be realistic - you wait in the holding pool for a year, checking pprune every day to see if there are any developments and then bang....... you're offered a job. Are you really going to turn it down? - even with the harbingers of doom on this thread warning you that you'll hate Dubai, Emirates, the way of life, the traffic, the people, etc, etc. You've been waiting a year and you want this job big time!
I would even suggest that various posters on this thread who have said they were offered the position but turned it down weren't offered the position at all.
As a career move, you can't go far wrong in Emirates. For a young FO joining, they are giving 7 years to command, but we all know the state of flux the airline business is in - today it's 7 years; next year it might be revised to 2 years.
I would even suggest that various posters on this thread who have said they were offered the position but turned it down weren't offered the position at all.
As a career move, you can't go far wrong in Emirates. For a young FO joining, they are giving 7 years to command, but we all know the state of flux the airline business is in - today it's 7 years; next year it might be revised to 2 years.
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Kep Ten--no comment on whether to join or not--that is individual.
But TWO years!!!! Don't give people false hope. With 2400 pilots it would require 1200 upgrades per year to upgrade in 2 years. That is just not feasible.
But TWO years!!!! Don't give people false hope. With 2400 pilots it would require 1200 upgrades per year to upgrade in 2 years. That is just not feasible.
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KTJ,
I would suggest you don't know what you're talking about. I know two pilots who did turn down EK only a few days ago. Not because they read the posts on PPRUNE and got scared, but because, overall, it was a better option 'for them' to stay put. As Masalama said, it's an individual choice. I think (and sincerely hope), that most Pilots have the intelligence not to base a career decision on a rumour network. For you to intimate otherwise is somewhat ludicrous!
And as for "As a career move, you can't go far wrong in Emirates"....that's naivety at its best. Are you related to Captain America?
Sometimes things are more important than shiny new jets.
I would suggest you don't know what you're talking about. I know two pilots who did turn down EK only a few days ago. Not because they read the posts on PPRUNE and got scared, but because, overall, it was a better option 'for them' to stay put. As Masalama said, it's an individual choice. I think (and sincerely hope), that most Pilots have the intelligence not to base a career decision on a rumour network. For you to intimate otherwise is somewhat ludicrous!
And as for "As a career move, you can't go far wrong in Emirates"....that's naivety at its best. Are you related to Captain America?
Sometimes things are more important than shiny new jets.
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My husband turned it down. No regrets.
We are used to the desert as a family but the way EK is heading is sad.
We are not rich but we don't have to put up with the degenerating T&C's. Once you get there with a family it's like the 'Hotel California', car loan, credit cards, education, spiraling costs of living and imploding property market. You are in debt or you don't save with the cost of living, so what's the point of a hardship posting where you are trampled on.
Good luck to those who accepted the F/O positions
We are used to the desert as a family but the way EK is heading is sad.
We are not rich but we don't have to put up with the degenerating T&C's. Once you get there with a family it's like the 'Hotel California', car loan, credit cards, education, spiraling costs of living and imploding property market. You are in debt or you don't save with the cost of living, so what's the point of a hardship posting where you are trampled on.
Good luck to those who accepted the F/O positions
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Hey all those that turn EK down. Thank your lucky stars that you did. You're not missing much and there is more to life then flying Big Jets. You did your career, your life and your sanity a favor.Best of luck to all those that didn't get suckered in like me.
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The POOL is rapidly becoming available now, haha. Bring it on! You guys with a normal life are absolutley out of your miinds to come here...... or perhaps your are just so desparate and stupid you don't realize what a nightmare it is here!
Can't wait to fly with you, and listen to you explain how you got sucked in. I have no sympathy whatsoever.......... anymore............ for idiots.
9/10 pilots coming to EK in the next few years, will feel humiliated, abused and helpless a few months after they arrive......, NO QUESTION about that fact.
Can't wait to fly with you, and listen to you explain how you got sucked in. I have no sympathy whatsoever.......... anymore............ for idiots.
9/10 pilots coming to EK in the next few years, will feel humiliated, abused and helpless a few months after they arrive......, NO QUESTION about that fact.